UND and the Big Sky could go FBS

[UNDvince97-01]

Don't even discuss or reply to Siouan's gibberish.

It's what he wants.

[The Sicatoka]

I'm surprised the guy isn't advocating building a football stadium at I-29 and Highway 200. 

Having said that, "Siouan" please review the board/forum rules, specifically those about trolling. You're showing. 

[3Putt]

4 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

I'm surprised the guy isn't advocating building a football stadium at I-29 and Highway 200. 

Having said that, "Siouan" please review the board/forum rules, specifically those about trolling. You're showing. 

In no way I am I agreeing with Siouan but I thought this was a "speculation" thread. How is his speculating different from a number of other posters' other than you don't like the potential outcome? He didn't attack anyone until he was attacked. Is he trolling? Maybe but then others have too with the difference being the audience they are fishing.

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[darell1976]

21 minutes ago, 3Putt said:

In no way I am I agreeing with Siouan but I thought this was a "speculation" thread. How is his speculating different from a number of other posters' other than you don't like the potential outcome? He didn't attack anyone until he was attacked. Is he trolling? Maybe but then others have too with the difference being the audience they are fishing.

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You are right how about cut all athletics at NDSU and turn that into a 2 year school and have everything at UND you know like it was from 1883-1889. It would be good for the state.

[darell1976]

8 hours ago, Siouan said:

I actually don't believe cutting the football program is that far fetched.  Sioux ID is with Hockey, not football.  With the current interim President, (former Gov), it is certainly possible he could see the state benefiting from Sioux = Hockey; Bison = Football.  Isn't that what sort of happened this year.... 2 national championships... 1 football, 1 hockey.  Cutting Sioux FB to reinforce Sioux hockey = 5 national hockey championships ....?  North Dakota, besides being the worlds 3d leading nuclear power, ... is also the nation's leading FB & Hockey powers.

UND won a NC in football in 2001 and at the same time the reigning NC UND was playing for their 2nd title in a row only to come up short against Boston College. So we can have hockey and football NC at the same school therefore cutting football is just stupid. Nice try Bison guy.

[UNDBIZ]

6 hours ago, 3Putt said:

In no way I am I agreeing with Siouan but I thought this was a "speculation" thread. How is his speculating different from a number of other posters' other than you don't like the potential outcome? He didn't attack anyone until he was attacked. Is he trolling? Maybe but then others have too with the difference being the audience they are fishing.

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This thread is about the potential, however unlikely, for UND and several other FCS schools to transition to FBS. It has largely consisted of the speculation of one poster, and although much of it is likely wrong, there are occasionally underlying seeds of potential truth within the larger theory. Siouan, who as a bison fan appears to have chosen a name that would generate an initial reaction of trust from this site, has chosen to attempt to drive the thread off the tracks with a crap post about UND dropping football. That post was a blatant attempt to anger forum members and sow seeds of doubt in the minds of potential recruits regarding UND's budget. The definition of trolling on this forum is posting with the sole purpose to taunt or generate anger. He was not speculating on anything, he was trolling. Ndsu trolls are not going to be a protected class on this site. 

[The Sicatoka]

From the Forum guidelines:

• No "Troll" posts. Posts whose sole purpose is to taunt or generate anger are not allowed. Such judgments will be made at the sole discretion of the moderating staff.

 

 

[Siouan]

Thank you for your insightful analysis.   You all fit right in there with Nazi book burners (except darell who seems to beyond the PC thingie) .

[nd1sufan]

On April 17, 2016 at 6:21 PM, SiouxVolley said:

WVU's President announced that the Big 12 won't be expanding.  The P5 doesn't want to lose G5 schools as they lose cheaper home games and they were waiting if a Big12 expansion would open up spots for Idaho and NMSU and UMass.  Expect a rule change this summer to allow FCS conference with orphan FBS teams to move up to FBS.

So the P5 conferences are so worried about losing 3 bottom feeder FBS schools that they can beat up on theat they are willing to add 30+ FBS schools that have no business moving up? They would be willing to pull in another 30 schools to split up the revenue even further? It doesn't sound like the greedy P5 schools to me. The P5 conferences are encouraging scheduling other P5 schools to increase their strength of schedule anyway, I don't think losing 3 bottom feeder G5 schools will matter much when there have been more than 3 FCS schools to take their place in the last 2 or 3 years.

[bison73]

37 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

So the P5 conferences are so worried about losing 3 bottom feeder FBS schools that they can beat up on theat they are willing to add 30+ FBS schools that have no business moving up? They would be willing to pull in another 30 schools to split up the revenue even further? It doesn't sound like the greedy P5 schools to me. The P5 conferences are encouraging scheduling other P5 schools to increase their strength of schedule anyway, I don't think losing 3 bottom feeder G5 schools will matter much when there have been more than 3 FCS schools to take their place in the last 2 or 3 years.

Especially since Idaho and NMSU were-are thinking of dropping to FCS?  Like the B12 would consider them.? 

[SiouxVolley]

34 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

So the P5 conferences are so worried about losing 3 bottom feeder FBS schools that they can beat up on theat they are willing to add 30+ FBS schools that have no business moving up? They would be willing to pull in another 30 schools to split up the revenue even further? It doesn't sound like the greedy P5 schools to me. The P5 conferences are encouraging scheduling other P5 schools to increase their strength of schedule anyway, I don't think losing 3 bottom feeder G5 schools will matter much when there have been more than 3 FCS schools to take their place in the last 2 or 3 years.

So why not kick out half the G5 teams that won't ever be good?  The P5 schools want the ability to schedule them and therefore avoid multi losses to P5 teams.  Two or three new FBS leagues would benefit P5 more than it would cost, as guarantee game costs would go through the roof.  Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Kansas schools secretly want another G5 league in their footprint, as they bring fans.  Eastern Big Ten and southern Big 12 schools have an advantage with the MAC and CUSA in their territories.

Been explaining this for more than a year, but bizon trolls deny the facts.

[homer]

1 hour ago, nd1sufan said:

So the P5 conferences are so worried about losing 3 bottom feeder FBS schools that they can beat up on theat they are willing to add 30+ FBS schools that have no business moving up? They would be willing to pull in another 30 schools to split up the revenue even further? It doesn't sound like the greedy P5 schools to me. The P5 conferences are encouraging scheduling other P5 schools to increase their strength of schedule anyway, I don't think losing 3 bottom feeder G5 schools will matter much when there have been more than 3 FCS schools to take their place in the last 2 or 3 years.

If the P5 schools create a rule about only scheduling G5 or higher there is a huge need for another G5 conference west of the Mississippi.   Right now there is only 1 G5 and 2 P5.  Anyone involved with with Big Sky that has discussed a Big Sky move up has talked about the void in the West.  

[bison73]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

So why not kick out half the G5 teams that won't ever be good?  The P5 schools want the ability to schedule them and therefore avoid multi losses to P5 teams.  Two or three new FBS leagues would benefit P5 more than it would cost, as guarantee game costs would go through the roof.  Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Kansas schools secretly want another G5 league in their footprint, as they bring fans.  Eastern Big Ten and southern Big 12 schools have an advantage with the MAC and CUSA in their territories.

Been explaining this for more than a year, but bizon trolls deny the facts.

Facts? Opinion--may be. Or as you posted earlier---speculation?

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, bison73 said:

Facts? Opinion--may be. Or as you posted earlier---speculation?

All the bizon troll postings in this thread are because they are really nervous that this is true.  If it was false, they'd leave it alone.

In their simple minds, FBS will only be granted to those who earned it.  Like Coastal Carolina or Texas St!

[bison73]

15 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

All the bizon troll postings in this thread are because they are really nervous that this is true.  If it was false, they'd leave it alone.

In their simple minds, FBS will only be granted to those who earned it.  Like Coastal Carolina or Texas St!

Whats there to be nervous about? Your fairy tales? You have UND fans question you on the same subjects. Are they nervous also?

[darell1976]

2 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

All the bizon troll postings in this thread are because they are really nervous that this is true.  If it was false, they'd leave it alone.

In their simple minds, FBS will only be granted to those who earned it.  Like Coastal Carolina or Texas St!

If the Big Sky moves up wouldn't other upper conferences move or merge like have a BSC/MVFC FBS conference then have a couple other conferences on the east coast merge. Or does the presence of Idaho and NMSU enter the equation.

[Hawkster]

5 hours ago, darell1976 said:

If the Big Sky moves up wouldn't other upper conferences move or merge like have a BSC/MVFC FBS conference then have a couple other conferences on the east coast merge. Or does the presence of Idaho and NMSU enter the equation.

Given our financial position right now there is no way we are moving up to FBS.   I'm just glad steps are being taken to hang on to what we can and no way can we afford to expand any programs.   

[UNDBIZ]

1 hour ago, TRex said:

Given our financial position right now there is no way we are moving up to FBS.   I'm just glad steps are being taken to hang on to what we can and no way can we afford to expand any programs.   

Not necessarily true. Cuts are being made in part to set UND up for a future in which it will eventually be able to fully fund priorities, rather than half-a$$ing everything outside of hockey. For some areas, the budget is simply a convenient excuse.

[darell1976]

4 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

Not necessarily true. Cuts are being made in part to set UND up for a future in which it will eventually be able to fully fund priorities, rather than half-a$$ing everything outside of hockey. For some areas, the budget is simply a convenient excuse.

Wouldn't UND have enough money in the budget if we had the DI minimum number of sports? Lacrosse is a better choice with our spring weather than baseball. But too bad conference affiliation sucks.

[UNDBIZ]

16 minutes ago, darell1976 said:

Wouldn't UND have enough money in the budget if we had the DI minimum number of sports? Lacrosse is a better choice with our spring weather than baseball. But too bad conference affiliation sucks.

Tough to say as it depends on which sports are cut and how UND chooses to fund all its programs. Adding lacrosse, a sport not even sponsored by any high schools in the state, certainly wouldn't save the school any money. 

[bincitysioux]

1 hour ago, darell1976 said:

Wouldn't UND have enough money in the budget if we had the DI minimum number of sports? Lacrosse is a better choice with our spring weather than baseball. But too bad conference affiliation sucks.

Forget about adding sports.  There are several others that should be cut.  Baseball and golf are a good start.

[The Sicatoka]

Pick a few things, and do them exceptionally well at the highest level. 

21 is too many; 19 is too many. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

if and when the big sky/wac split happens i would hope the new big sky is more "like minded" and tries to shed some of the excessive extra non-core sports that each schools would have...each school plays a core 15 sports and each school gets two mens/womens free bees or add on...obviously at und it would be mens/womens hockey and msu would mens/womens skiing and so forth...it would strengthen the new conference and like sica said above do them exceptionally well at the highest level.

 

sac state does 21 sports...you would think if they move up with und, um, msu, idaho and so forth you would think they could drop rowing, baseball, and or soccer

[SiouxVolley]

45 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

if and when the big sky/wac split happens i would hope the new big sky is more "like minded" and tries to shed some of the excessive extra non-core sports that each schools would have...each school plays a core 15 sports and each school gets two mens/womens free bees or add on...obviously at und it would be mens/womens hockey and msu would mens/womens skiing and so forth...it would strengthen the new conference and like sica said above do them exceptionally well at the highest level.

 

sac state does 21 sports...you would think if they move up with und, um, msu, idaho and so forth you would think they could drop rowing, baseball, and or soccer

Sac St should be good at baseball, so they won't drop it or men's soccer.  Rowing is needed to counteract those for Title IX.  Just like MSU won't drop skiing.  Idaho had to add sports to make 200 scholarships, like womens swimming, especially on the Title IX side.  NDSU would have to add two to three women's sports if they ever moved up.  Women's hockey makes the 200 slots easier to attain and helps Title IX.

Many schools are nearly 60% women / 40 % men, so Title IX is really hard for those schools like South Dakota, Sac St etc.  Others are majority male, like UND, MSU, and NDSU, which all have engineering programs and in UND's case aerospace.

[Texas rancher]

Hey darryls, it looks like your benchmark for an fbs move up is thinking about dropping football all the way down to the division II level or lower.  Eastern Michigan in case you want to play dumb.