The Sicatoka Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 That was not a quote of something Spear said, it was the reporter from CdA referring to three of the more local teams. To your point: He envisions a league with Idaho and New Mexico State and some of the high-end Big Sky schools (including Eastern Washington, Montana and Montana State) in that second tier. Based on how that's written, Spear probably said "NMSU and high-end Big Sky schools" and the local writer filled in the names of local schools his readers would recognize. Side note: You need 8 full conference members to be an FBS conference. (UI, NMSU, UM, MSU, EWU isn't enough.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Funny how UND wasn't mentioned by the Idaho AD. No where in the article did it menion UND. CBerkas is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Not an article. It was an opinion piece. (Just to clarify.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Dakota Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Hopefully, a new stadium on campus will be a major part of that, financed by wealthy alumni. Plus there would be more money for TV, bowl contracts, P5 guarantees and later a very small piece of the huge CFP pot. You realize a new stadium would still need to actually be full in order to be a positive in the fund category correct? I know it's easy to spend other peoples money but you have to look at all of this a bit more realistically. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkster Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 To your point: Based on how that's written, Spear probably said "NMSU and high-end Big Sky schools" and the local writer filled in the names of local schools his readers would recognize. Side note: You need 8 full conference members to be an FBS conference. (UI, NMSU, UM, MSU, EWU isn't enough.) A bigger question is, are we a "high-end Big Sky school"? Not trying to bash my alma matter, but we haven't even had a winning Big Sky record in either basketball or football. I've got a feeling he wasn't talking about us. It's hard to be considered high end when we can't even get over 500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 82SiouxGuy Posted February 17, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2015 A bigger question is, are we a "high-end Big Sky school"? Not trying to bash my alma matter, but we haven't even had a winning Big Sky record in either basketball or football. I've got a feeling he wasn't talking about us. It's hard to be considered high end when we can't even get over 500. Conferences aren't normally built on the basis of performance on a field or a court (especially over a 2 or 3 year period). UND would be considered a high end Big Sky school based on the strength of the overall school and the strength of the athletic department (budget, long term success of programs, strength of staff, fundraising, etc.). There is a reason that Idaho put Montana, Montana State and UND on their list of schools that had to be in the Big Sky or else they had an out clause in their current agreement with the conference. UND as a school and as a business partner (basically what conferences are) is one of the stronger schools in the conference. Also, you might want to check your standings. The UND men's basketball team was 12-8 in Big Sky Conference play each of their first 2 years in the conference. They do have a losing record this year in the conference. The women had a losing conference record their first year, but were 15-5 last year and 8-5 so far this year. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison73 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 You realize a new stadium would still need to actually be full in order to be a positive in the fund category correct? I know it's easy to spend other peoples money but you have to look at all of this a bit more realistically. Not to mention most teams lose money when they attend a bowl game. Usually lots of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#MACtion Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 For starters, the MWC has a good basketball profile, and a deal with ESPN to televise games. Second, SDSU was a sweet 16 team last year. Their football being FBS has zero to do with it. The Sunbelt and MAC are FBS too, and their BB sucks in comparison. MAC is rated as a higher basketball conference than the Mountain West and also has a deal with ESPN to televise games. MAC basketball is not even close to the Sun Belt and never has. MAC is #10 and Sun Belt is #22. C-USA is #15 or so. MAC has 6 teams in the RPI Top 100. No clue what you are talking about, MAC basketball is way better than you care to give it credit for. Missouri Valley has two Top 20 teams, but yet the MVC is rated below the MAC top to bottom because after Wichita State and UNI, the rest of the valley is terrible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 MAC is rated as a higher basketball conference than the Mountain West and also has a deal with ESPN to televise games. MAC basketball is not even close to the Sun Belt and never has. MAC is #10 and Sun Belt is #22. C-USA is #15 or so. MAC has 6 teams in the RPI Top 100. No clue what you are talking about, MAC basketball is way better than you care to give it credit for. Missouri Valley has two Top 20 teams, but yet the MVC is rated below the MAC top to bottom because after Wichita State and UNI, the rest of the valley is terrible. Please excuse the Bison fan....they don't like facts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 You realize a new stadium would still need to actually be full in order to be a positive in the fund category correct? I know it's easy to spend other peoples money but you have to look at all of this a bit more realistically. Many nay-sayers said the REA would never sell out too. If a philanthropic alumni wants to donate a stadium, would this board revolt? I think there's several that would join with the bison trolls, with the refrain that UND shouldn't move ahead as it would end in failure just like the REA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 A bigger question is, are we a "high-end Big Sky school"? Not trying to bash my alma matter, but we haven't even had a winning Big Sky record in either basketball or football. I've got a feeling he wasn't talking about us. It's hard to be considered high end when we can't even get over 500. Of course we are a high end school in the Big Sky. Only Idaho has more research by ratings, and that's because Idaho is both the flagship and land grant in that state. UND is one of the few U's with a med school, law school, engineering, and has an aerospace school to boot. Idaho doesn't have a med school. Montana doesn't have a med school or engineering. MSU has engineering and ag but little else. Most of the other Big Sky schools are glorified teachers colleges, that have expanded over the last 50 years, but don't have key components of being a hgh end research school. Idaho put in their contract that the Big Sky had to have Mont, Mont St, and UND, otherwise they would have gotten an out card. Academic programs were a big reason for that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Many nay-sayers said the REA would never sell out too. If a philanthropic alumni wants to donate a stadium, would this board revolt? I think there's several that would join with the bison trolls, with the refrain that UND shouldn't move ahead as it would end in failure just like the REA. How big is this stadium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkster Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Of course we are a high end school in the Big Sky. Only Idaho has more research by ratings, and that's because Idaho is both the flagship and land grant in that state. UND is one of the few U's with a med school, law school, engineering, and has an aerospace school to boot. Idaho doesn't have a med school. Montana doesn't have a med school or engineering. MSU has engineering and ag but little else. Most of the other Big Sky schools are glorified teachers colleges, that have expanded over the last 50 years, but don't have key components of being a hgh end research school. Idaho put in their contract that the Big Sky had to have Mont, Mont St, and UND, otherwise they would have gotten an out card. Academic programs were a big reason for that. We might be high end with academics, but when it comes to athletics most people think of the big 3, UM, MSU, and EWU, then lump the rest in a lower tier. I realize some of this is only a perception problem, but it still exists. It's still the big 3 and then everyone else when it comes to Big Sky sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
108498 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Is that in all sports or just football? It seems like our women's basketball and volleyball teams have each held their own in the conference. The men's basketball team also made it close to March Madness the past two seasons, despite the road losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Where is this contract agreement between Idaho and the Big Sky Conference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDPritch Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Not going to happen. We can't even get people to attend now, and with FBS we'd need to up our attendence massively. Let's just worry about being competitive in FCS first and not go off half cocked on some FBS dream. Coming up with money for another 22 scholarships isn't going to be easy to find either.Spot on TRex, you read my mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Where is this contract agreement between Idaho and the Big Sky Conference? It exists (too lazy to find it but there are links on this board to it in threads). Basically, when the join date (July 2014) arrived for Idaho to come back to the BSC, if UM, MSU, and UND were not in the BSC Idaho could leave *and* get their deposit to join back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 We might be high end with academics, but when it comes to athletics most people think of the big 3, UM, MSU, and EWU, then lump the rest in a lower tier. I realize some of this is only a perception problem, but it still exists. It's still the big 3 and then everyone else when it comes to Big Sky sports. Is the B1G aligned by common sports interests, or by the Committee on Institutional Cooperation. BIG sports make them money; CIC is where the real money is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksioux Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 We might be high end with academics, but when it comes to athletics most people think of the big 3, UM, MSU, and EWU, then lump the rest in a lower tier. I realize some of this is only a perception problem, but it still exists. It's still the big 3 and then everyone else when it comes to Big Sky sports. You may be right from fans' perception, but the fans' perception matters little in the conference affiliation game, which is what this thread is about. To the things that matter to the people who make the decisions on conference affiliation, UND clearly is a "high-end" program in the Big Sky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 If endowments is a measuring tool, UND ranks second in the BSC behind Idaho for full members, if you include affiliates it would rank 3rd behind UC Davis and Idaho. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Sky_Conference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herd Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 My take away was that he is saying it's going to get harder to balance an athletic budget with an FCS football squad in your athletic dept. It might be a step down and tough move to go FCS for Idaho, but it's certainly going to be an uphill battle for Idaho in the Sunbelt. They play a couple of high majors each year just to pay some bills, and get totally destroyed. On top of that, Idaho is far from even competing for a Sunbelt title. If relevancy for Idaho is 0-3 wins with two - million dollar games, that's a pretty worthless existence. Compare that to Georgia Southern's existence, and Idaho should just throw a white flag. The moment that Idaho was given the thumbs down by the MWC (their geographic home for FBS football), they should have moved to the FCS Big Sky. There is no doubt about that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herd Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 So, will Idaho going FCS help the Big Sky go FBS? Umm, I don't think so. Dodd aparently does not agree with the Big Sky grand plan. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ty-is-real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 So, will Idaho going FCS help the Big Sky go FBS? Umm, I don't think so. Dodd aparently does not agree with the Big Sky grand plan. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ty-is-real I'll give you credit. You found something as in-depth on this subject as a graduate of the College of Home Economics could handle: "•This is Idaho's last season in FBS." Might be true, though. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herd Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I'll give you credit. You found something as in-depth on this subject as a graduate of the College of Home Economics could handle: "•This is Idaho's last season in FBS." Might be true, though. " Dennis Dodd is usually a credible source. Contrast that with the author of this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Dennis Dodd is usually a credible source. Contrast that with the author of this thread. If I had to bet money, I would say that Idaho would probably join the Big Sky as FCS over any FBS dreams of the Big Sky. But, I've been wrong before... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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