Conference Realignments - Take 2

[The Sicatoka]

In a 5 hour window USC and UCLA go from PAC to B1G ... and no leaks before it starts in motion? 

[SWSiouxMN]

Will the Big 10 finally get their white whale (Norte Dame?)

[The Sicatoka]

17 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

Will the Big 10 finally get their white whale (Norte Dame?)

Only if the B1G gets USC ... and Stanford. 

[northernraider]

11 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Whose next, Hawaii? 

Likely ACC, because why the hell not at this point

[jdub27]

11 hours ago, cberkas said:

I see both USC and ULCA going back to the Pac-12 after a few years when they realize they are never going win in B1G in football.

Can't say to get more views for BTN when that is on every cable and satellite package, plus they never use all the BTN channels the way it is. 

The money they will get will keep them there.

And as previous mentioned, gives the B1G Network great filler for later games, which will only help increase their TV money.

[Yote 53]

56 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Only if the B1G gets USC ... and Stanford. 

Stanford?  I don't understand why people point to Stanford as a Notre Dame rival.  Recently, yeah, that series fired up in the 1980's.  Notre Dame has a much deeper history with schools (in this order), USC (obviously), Navy, Michigan State, Michigan (the school that literally taught Notre Dame the sport), and Purdue.  Each one of those schools is now in the Big Ten except Navy which would continue as an OOC game. 

Big Ten now offers Notre Dame a national schedule with historic rivals and a buttload of cash.  Also, the academics at Notre Dame want in to the Big Ten for academic reasons.  They voted to join years ago, it was the Athletic Dept holding out.  The reasons for Notre Dame to remain Independent have all but been stripped away.

[Yote 53]

The PAC was futile and unable to monetarily capitalize on USC and UCLA (and to a lessor extent Oregon & Washington).  The Big Ten has the tools to maximize the revenue potential of these schools. Joining the Big Ten is going to be an explosion in revenue for all of these schools.  

In market terms, the Big Ten just bought a legacy stock that has been depressed for years but has massive potential for growth.  They bought a deep value stock.

People still laugh about Rutgers and Maryland but those additions were market acquisitions that they can develop and unlock huge potentials for revenue growth.  There is lots of potential there and now you see the Big Ten locking up major markets from the East Coast to the Midwest to the West Coast.  NYC, Chicago, and LA are all now Big Ten turf.

[SiouxScore]

10 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

In a 5 hour window USC and UCLA go from PAC to B1G ... and no leaks before it starts in motion? 

Greg Flugar on twitter started speculating on it like a year ago. He has had some real solid info on Gopher Illustrated 24/7 the past year or so with things really picking up the last couple months as the TV deal approached. 

Notre Dame is absolutely who they are waiting on right now and things seem to look good, the question is if/when Notre Dame accepts which way do they go. Pick one of Oregon/Washington, add both and then another like Kansas or Stanford or someone to get to 20? ACC teams like North Carolina would be high on the list but not sure they are realistic with their grant of rights at this point.

[SiouxScore]

10 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

Will the Big 10 finally get their white whale (Norte Dame?)

It sure seems like it and that is what they are waiting on before they decide on anything else.

[nodakvindy]

14 hours ago, Yote 53 said:

Stanford?  I don't understand why people point to Stanford as a Notre Dame rival.  Recently, yeah, that series fired up in the 1980's.  Notre Dame has a much deeper history with schools (in this order), USC (obviously), Navy, Michigan State, Michigan (the school that literally taught Notre Dame the sport), and Purdue.  Each one of those schools is now in the Big Ten except Navy which would continue as an OOC game. 

Big Ten now offers Notre Dame a national schedule with historic rivals and a buttload of cash.  Also, the academics at Notre Dame want in to the Big Ten for academic reasons.  They voted to join years ago, it was the Athletic Dept holding out.  The reasons for Notre Dame to remain Independent have all but been stripped away.

Maybe Big Ten just decides to go for the AAU kill shot at this point and go to 30 by adding all of these schools:

Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Utah, Colorado, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia Tech  Arizona, Kansas, Iowa State, Notre Dame

Four Divisions

West - UCLA, USC, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Utah, Arizona

Midwest - Colorado, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Wisconsin

Great Lakes - Northwestern, Illinois, Notre Dame, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State

East - Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia Tech 

They would be the truly national conference and could get an pro league type TV deal. Could essentially break away on their own and not need the NCAA, the SEC or anyone else.  This would actually also preserve or restore a lot of traditional rivalries. Such an alignment would probably allow them to poach Texas and Florida to go to an even 32, Texas slots in the Midwest and Florida in the East.  All AAU school (except Notre Dame and Nebraska) and with virtually every major media market owned.  Likely would also finally rebrand from Big 10 to something like the Premiere Conference or Premiere College Alliance or similar. 

You can hate on the Big Ten, but they've clearly had a vision and for the most part pulled it off.  This would be taking it to the next level, but in the current world of college athletics, anything is possible.

[JohnboyND7]

16 hours ago, Yote 53 said:

Stanford?  I don't understand why people point to Stanford as a Notre Dame rival.  Recently, yeah, that series fired up in the 1980's.  Notre Dame has a much deeper history with schools (in this order), USC (obviously), Navy, Michigan State, Michigan (the school that literally taught Notre Dame the sport), and Purdue.  Each one of those schools is now in the Big Ten except Navy which would continue as an OOC game. 

Big Ten now offers Notre Dame a national schedule with historic rivals and a buttload of cash.  Also, the academics at Notre Dame want in to the Big Ten for academic reasons.  They voted to join years ago, it was the Athletic Dept holding out.  The reasons for Notre Dame to remain Independent have all but been stripped away.

Stanford's "rivalry" with ND is 50% Notre Dame's desire to have an annual game in California and 50% the joy of said school being the best non-ivy/academy school in the country. 

Notre Dame has not had a reason to join the B1G until today. So you are wrong. ND is an elite school for one reason and one only.... the football team. Without the football team they would have been a generic Big East-esque team. 

The football team at Notre Dame might be the single most fascinating story in American sport. Nobody will ever find something more goofy.

[SIOUXFAN97]

at this point is the big10 so ruthless that they email the pres of u-nebraska and say...your out 

[SIOUXFAN97]

two schools that should be worried about being left behind are wyoming and washington state.

[Kab]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

two schools that should be worried about being left behind are wyoming and washington state.

Maybe ndsu can join them and a few other bottom feeders 

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 hour ago, Kab said:

Maybe ndsu can join them and a few other bottom feeders 

did washington state just fall into the western division of the MWC conference with Idaho, Montana, USU, Wyoming, sjsu, AF......

[The Sicatoka]

The B1G with USC/UCLA is looking at a $100M per school media deal from Fox.

If you can't add that much to the pie, you're not getting a B1G sniff. 

I only see one contender at that level: Our Lady of South Bend. 

What they do triggers the succeeding fallout. 

[The Sicatoka]

17 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

did washington state just fall into the western division of the MWC ...

That is a real possible outcome for Wassu and OrSU. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

That is a real possible outcome for Wassu and OrSU. 

what's the difference between Wash St and u of idaho............9 miles.

[The Sicatoka]

This move by the B1G is as much about research dollars as media dollars. UCLA is top five in research spending. Taking USC/UCLA gets the B1G the LA media market and a huge new partner in the BTAA. (And USC is the bait to finally get Notre Dame to the B1G.) 

It also hardens them all up in the face of perilous economic futures, and demographic shifts, and an uncertain global political future. Inflation is here for a while and that will impact school budgets across the board. CA is the #1 exporter of college students and now the B1G has direct exposure to them (as their states' HS grad numbers slide). 

USC/UCLA jumped into a group that will ride this out and survive. 

The rest of us need to make a similar move.

Getting UND/NDSU, USD/SDSU, Montana/MontSU, Idaho together to form their own conference ... and research group ... would harden up that group of state name-brand schools. The group would have 8 US Senators looking out for them on Federal research. No, it's not BTAA, but it's strength in numbers. 

This is another argument why this group should break from the MVFC and BSC and band together. 

[The Sicatoka]

7 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

what's the difference between Wash St and u of idaho............9 miles.

20k students (30k vs 10k). 

Wassu and OrSU will at worst land in the MWC, but that's a tumble from the PAC. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said:

This move by the B1G is as much about research dollars as media dollars. UCLA is top five in research spending. Taking USC/UCLA gets the B1G the LA media market and a huge new partner in the BTAA. (And USC is the bait to finally get Notre Dame to the B1G.) 

It also hardens them all up in the face of perilous economic futures, and demographic shifts, and an uncertain global political future. Inflation is here for a while and that will impact school budgets across the board. CA is the #1 exporter of college students and now the B1G has direct exposure to them (as their states' HS grad numbers slide). 

USC/UCLA jumped into a group that will ride this out and survive. 

The rest of us need to make a similar move.

Getting UND/NDSU, USD/SDSU, Montana/MontSU, Idaho together to form their own conference ... and research group ... would harden up that group of state name-brand schools. The group would have 8 US Senators looking out for them on Federal research. No, it's not BTAA, but it's strength in numbers. 

This is another argument why this group should break from the MVFC and BSC and band together. 

100%.........yes........lfg fenton!!!!!!!!

[SIOUXFAN97]

Just now, The Sicatoka said:

20k students (30k vs 10k). 

Wassu and OrSU will at worst land in the MWC, but that's a tumble from the PAC. 

true...but would those numbers look like if Wash St and Idaho were in the same conference.........?

[The Sicatoka]

Like I said,

Wassu and OrSU have to be terrified right now.
They are afterthoughts behind Cal/Stan/UW/UO, then Utah/Colo/Az/ASU.

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

Like I said,

Wassu and OrSU have to be terrified right now.
They are afterthoughts behind Cal/Stan/UW/UO, then Utah/Colo/Az/ASU.

Whose a better get ....aau U of Arizona but only in smallish Tucson?  or non aau ASU with the phoenix market????????

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

Whose a better get ....aau U of Arizona but only in smallish Tucson?  or non aau ASU with the phoenix market????????

I believe they'll be a pair no matter what happens.