Clghckyfan Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 my opinion is that all conferences should have the best possible chance to send as many teams to the frozen four as possible. this opinion is based on the fact that the frozen four is supposed to be comprised of the best d1 college hockey teams in the nation so it doesn't make sense to put teams from the same conference in the same regional whenever there's another option. by allowing multiple teams from one conference to be in one regional while other regionals have no teams from that conference, the tournament essentially allows teams from better conferences to knock each other off before the frozen four, which is counter to the idea of the frozen four as mentioned above. if more than four teams from one conference make the ncaa tournament then obviously there would have to be at least one regional with two teams from the same conference. in this scenario, whenever possible, the two teams from the same conference in one regional should be seeded as low as possible to protect the better teams from that conference. if this rule were implemented (and i realize the ncaa won't implement this but just humor me here) this is how it might play out based on the current pairwise: east regional: (1) yale vs (16) rit (7) nebraska-omaha vs (9) miami west regional (4) michigan vs (15) colorado college (8) merrimack vs (11) minnesota-duluth midwest regional (3) north dakota vs (14) western michigan (6) union vs (12) new hampshire northeast regional: (2) boston college vs (13) dartmouth (5) denver vs (10) notre dame this way: the three hea teams are in three different regionals the three ecac teams are in three different regionals the four ccha teams are in four different regionals the five wcha teams are in four different regionals with the lowest two seeded wcha teams in the same regional the one aha team is in one regional the idea here being that if one conference is better than rankings might suggest, then the teams from that conference have an opportunity to prove that by beating teams from all the other conferences rather than by beating themselves. These brackets seem to be a long shot, but I love the idea of UNO going against Yale and Denver against BC. It gives us a chance to benchmark how those two east coast teams size up agains our familiar opponents. On a separate note, why is everyone so certain UND will go to St. Louis? I am not disagreeing, but it seems less obvious to me. If the CCHA is the host in St. Louis wouldn't that automatically put the highest seeded CCHA team in that location? I get NCAA is all about the $'s and fans in the seats but it doesn't seem logical. I don't care either way, Green Bay or St. Louis, neither of them are the Ralph so it doesn't matter everyone is just so set on St. Louis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krangodance Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 These brackets seem to be a long shot, but I love the idea of UNO going against Yale and Denver against BC. It gives us a chance to benchmark how those two east coast teams size up agains our familiar opponents. you're right. these brackets will never happen since the ncaa seems to try and avoid setting up a potential all one conference frozen four. i just think it makes the most sense to split teams from the same conference up during the regionals but the ncaa does not care what i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodbuster Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Since everyone puts UND in either Green Bay or St. Louis, is it already known what the respective formats are in each as far as days are concerned? (Thursday and Saturday? Friday and Sunday?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodcon Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 St Louis- Fri & Sat GB- Sat & Sun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fargosioux Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Since everyone puts UND in either Green Bay or St. Louis, is it already known what the respective formats are in each as far as days are concerned? (Thursday and Saturday? Friday and Sunday?) St. Louis is Friday-Saturday and Green Bay is Saturday-Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxweet Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 two things. first I see yale can lock up the #1 overall seed by LOSING this weekend and two I see that the women's committee really stuck it to the WCHA. it will be intersting to see if the same thing happens with the men's bracket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejm Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 ...I see that the women's committee really stuck it to the WCHA. No kidding! Horrible brackets. I think they are claiming travel was the deciding factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyZL Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Moy's latest bracketology is out: Moy's Bracketology Region of Death this week is the West it looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringneck28 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I see that Moy may have seen the light about UNO traveling well in short distances. I like them in St. Louis, BUT I could see them coming out of that bracket. The Sioux could very well play UNO 2 more times this year. Am I correct in this way of thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fargosioux Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I see that Moy may have seen the light about UNO traveling well in short distances. I like them in St. Louis, BUT I could see them coming out of that bracket. The Sioux could very well play UNO 2 more times this year. Am I correct in this way of thinking? I don't agree with his switch of UNO and Denver. You're moving Denver (#5) into a potential regional final matchup with BC (#2), and giving Michigan (#4) a lower seed in UNO (#7). It screws up the bracket integrity too much. Regarding UND vs. UNO, I've said it before, but I'd love to see Hakstol vs. Blais facing off on April 9th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringneck28 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I don't agree with his switch of UNO and Denver. You're moving Denver (#5) into a potential regional final matchup with BC (#2), and giving Michigan (#4) a lower seed in UNO (#7). It screws up the bracket integrity too much. Regarding UND vs. UNO, I've said it before, but I'd love to see Hakstol vs. Blais facing off on April 9th. I do agree with the bracket integrity side to the argument, BUT I don't know if bracket integrity is what this move is about. I do see UNO in St. Louis for pure attendance purposes. GF to GB 600 miles GF to ST. Louis 875 Omaha to GB 570 Omaha to St Louis 440 This equals more fans in each regional. We all know the NC$$ is all about the students. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 First I see yale can lock up the #1 overall seed by LOSING this weekend It's not quite THAT bad . Much like UND, since Yale doesn't play a potential TUC this weekend, they can severely limit their downside by losing, so they don't have to face a TUC going forward. However, it's also not that hard to come up with (unlikely?) scenarios in which Yale loses this weekend and loses a comparison. For example, Union is currently losing the comparison to Yale 1-3. COP is a tie and can easily go to Union this weekend. All Union needs to flip the comparison is take RPI. That can happen in this weekend's scheduled games alone, as listed at the bottom. The scenario I listed at the bottom ends up with BC and Yale each losing one comparison with Yale taking the head to head comparison but BC with the RPI advantage, so most still think BC would get the nod, dropping Yale to #2 overall. Of course, that doesn't help UND much, but it drives home the point that there are a ton of edge cases that are quite difficult to detect looking at one weekend, let alone trying to project across two weekends with multiple reseedings and thus unknown opponents. In handy "plug into TBRW" format (as of the time of this writing, real outcomes ended on 20110306): 20110307 Ya 0 SL 1 NC 20110308 Ya 0 SL 1 NC 20110307 ND 1 MT 0 NC 20110308 ND 0 MT 1 NC 20110307 BC 1 MA 0 NC 20110308 BC 1 MA 0 NC 20110307 Mi 1 BG 0 NC 20110308 Mi 1 BG 0 NC 20110307 DU 1 Mk 0 NC 20110308 DU 1 Mk 0 NC 20110307 MD 1 SC 0 NC 20110308 MD 0 SC 1 NC 20110307 Nt 1 LS 0 NC 20110308 Nt 1 LS 0 NC 20110307 Un 1 Cg 0 NC 20110308 Un 1 Cg 0 NC 20110307 Mm 0 Ak 1 NC 20110308 Mm 0 Ak 1 NC 20110307 NO 0 BS 1 NC 20110308 NO 0 BS 1 NC 20110307 Mn 0 AA 1 NC 20110308 Mn 0 AA 2 NC 20110307 Mr 1 Me 0 NC 20110308 Mr 1 Me 0 NC 20110307 NH 1 Vt 0 NC 20110308 NH 1 Vt 0 NC 20110307 CC 0 Wi 1 NC 20110308 CC 0 Wi 1 NC 20110307 WM 1 FS 0 NC 20110308 WM 1 FS 0 NC 20110307 BU 1 NE 0 NC 20110308 BU 1 NE 0 NC 20110307 Da 0 Ha 1 NC 20110308 Da 0 Ha 1 NC 20110307 Qn 0 Cr 1 NC 20110308 Qn 0 Cr 1 NC 20110307 RT 1 AI 0 NC 20110308 RT 1 AI 0 NC 20110307 AF 1 SH 0 NC 20110308 AF 0 SH 1 NC 20110307 Mh 1 Ct 0 NC 20110308 Mh 0 Ct 1 NC 20110307 HC 1 Ca 0 NC 20110308 HC 0 Ca 1 NC[/code] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 It's not quite THAT bad . Much like UND, since Yale doesn't play a potential TUC this weekend, they can severely limit their downside by losing, so they don't have to face a TUC going forward. However, it's also not that hard to come up with (unlikely?) scenarios in which Yale loses this weekend and loses a comparison. For example, Union is currently losing the comparison to Yale 1-3. COP is a tie and can easily go to Union this weekend. All Union needs to flip the comparison is take RPI. That can happen in this weekend's scheduled games alone, as listed at the bottom. The scenario I listed at the bottom ends up with BC and Yale each losing one comparison with Yale taking the head to head comparison but BC with the RPI advantage, so most still think BC would get the nod, dropping Yale to #2 overall. Of course, that doesn't help UND much, but it drives home the point that there are a ton of edge cases that are quite difficult to detect looking at one weekend, let alone trying to project across two weekends with multiple reseedings and thus unknown opponents. In handy "plug into TBRW" format (as of the time of this writing, real outcomes ended on 20110306): 20110307 Ya 0 SL 1 NC 20110308 Ya 0 SL 1 NC 20110307 ND 1 MT 0 NC 20110308 ND 0 MT 1 NC 20110307 BC 1 MA 0 NC 20110308 BC 1 MA 0 NC 20110307 Mi 1 BG 0 NC 20110308 Mi 1 BG 0 NC 20110307 DU 1 Mk 0 NC 20110308 DU 1 Mk 0 NC 20110307 MD 1 SC 0 NC 20110308 MD 0 SC 1 NC 20110307 Nt 1 LS 0 NC 20110308 Nt 1 LS 0 NC 20110307 Un 1 Cg 0 NC 20110308 Un 1 Cg 0 NC 20110307 Mm 0 Ak 1 NC 20110308 Mm 0 Ak 1 NC 20110307 NO 0 BS 1 NC 20110308 NO 0 BS 1 NC 20110307 Mn 0 AA 1 NC 20110308 Mn 0 AA 2 NC 20110307 Mr 1 Me 0 NC 20110308 Mr 1 Me 0 NC 20110307 NH 1 Vt 0 NC 20110308 NH 1 Vt 0 NC 20110307 CC 0 Wi 1 NC 20110308 CC 0 Wi 1 NC 20110307 WM 1 FS 0 NC 20110308 WM 1 FS 0 NC 20110307 BU 1 NE 0 NC 20110308 BU 1 NE 0 NC 20110307 Da 0 Ha 1 NC 20110308 Da 0 Ha 1 NC 20110307 Qn 0 Cr 1 NC 20110308 Qn 0 Cr 1 NC 20110307 RT 1 AI 0 NC 20110308 RT 1 AI 0 NC 20110307 AF 1 SH 0 NC 20110308 AF 0 SH 1 NC 20110307 Mh 1 Ct 0 NC 20110308 Mh 0 Ct 1 NC 20110307 HC 1 Ca 0 NC 20110308 HC 0 Ca 1 NC Thanks Jim, but after 22 lines of 010101010101010 I kind of lost focus...in a college hockey world where Yale is number 1, there is no rhyme or reason.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Thanks Jim, but after 22 lines of 010101010101010 I kind of lost focus...in a college hockey world where Yale is number 1, there is no rhyme or reason.... Yeah, you weren't supposed to try to read that part. That's a scenario that has Yale get swept and lose a comparison; the format of the game results is what needs to be plugged into Whelan's PWR calculator. Just believing me that the scenario exists is probably a lot easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringneck28 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Yeah, you weren't supposed to try to read that part. That's a scenario that has Yale get swept and lose a comparison; the format of the game results is what needs to be plugged into Whelan's PWR calculator. Just believing me that the scenario exists is probably a lot easier. What, Nicky Whelan is a hockey fan too. Now she is a mega babe in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary code, and those that don't. Right Jim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary code, and those that don't. Right Jim? 00110010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 00110010 50? I would have said 101010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 50? I would have said 101010. Source of my "2". Binary Conversion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 00110010 Oh, too funny! You slay me!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Over on USCHO.com, Moy has a Sunday edition bracket with UND vs Rensselaer in Green Bay with UNO/Miami. From a regional matchup standpoint, UND would be giddy with that. My $$$ is still on UND being shipped to St. Louis though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxFanatic Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Over on USCHO.com, Moy has a Sunday edition bracket with UND vs Rensselaer in Green Bay with UNO/Miami. From a regional matchup standpoint, UND would be giddy with that. My $$$ is still on UND being shipped to St. Louis though. That is what he had after Friday actually. His most recent is UND vs. Dartmouth in Green Bay with Notre Dame//Minnesota-Duluth. Which will no doubt change once again once conference tournaments wrap-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fargosioux Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Here are Moy's current brackets, as of Monday morning: East Regional (Bridgeport) 16 RIT vs. 1 Yale 9 Union vs. 8 Merrimack West Regional (St. Louis) 13 Nebraska-Omaha vs. 4 Michigan 12 Western Michigan vs. 6 Denver Midwest Regional (Green Bay) 15 Dartmouth vs. 2 North Dakota 10 Notre Dame vs. 7 Minnesota-Duluth Northeast Regional (Manchester) 14 Colorado College vs. 3 Boston College 11 New Hampshire vs. 5 Miami I agree with these brackets. Straight bracket integrity, with one switch (Denver & Miami) to avoid a first-round intraconference matchup (Miami & W. Michigan). Also, I don't think we see UND get moved to St. Louis if we have a potential St. Louis bracket that looks like this. I don't think attendance would be all that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Here are Moy's current brackets, as of Monday morning: East Regional (Bridgeport) 16 RIT vs. 1 Yale 9 Union vs. 8 Merrimack West Regional (St. Louis) 13 Nebraska-Omaha vs. 4 Michigan 12 Western Michigan vs. 6 Denver Midwest Regional (Green Bay) 15 Dartmouth vs. 2 North Dakota 10 Notre Dame vs. 7 Minnesota-Duluth Northeast Regional (Manchester) 14 Colorado College vs. 3 Boston College 11 New Hampshire vs. 5 Miami I agree with these brackets. Straight bracket integrity, with one switch (Denver & Miami) to avoid a first-round intraconference matchup (Miami & W. Michigan). Also, I don't think we see UND get moved to St. Louis if we have a potential St. Louis bracket that looks like this. I don't think attendance would be all that bad. It is virtual bracket integrity which is good. I do think that East Regional is full of puffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianvf Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 East Regional (Bridgeport) 16 RIT vs. 1 Yale 9 Union vs. 8 Merrimack Northeast Regional (Manchester) 14 Colorado College vs. 3 Boston College 11 New Hampshire vs. 5 Miami Any NCAA-bound WCHA team could win that East regional. Cupcake classic there. The NE Regional, however, is brutal. Wow, hopefully the Sioux don't get sent to a regional like that. I could see any of those four teams making it to the F4... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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