Prospective Recruits

[scpa0305]

18 hours ago, yzerman19 said:

We can't change the location of Grand Forks, we can't change the fact that you don't get Big10 football or hoops on off days, the Ralph isn't a huge differentiator anymore (although by no means a detriment)...somehow we gotta get the chippas that other chippas want to play with while recognizing the constraints we have vs Big10 and Hockey East.  At the peak of our recruiting success, players knew that Sioux hockey was where you played to prepare for the NHL...the coaching, facilities, training was all geared towards that...somehow we have lost a great deal of this, and rather quickly

As another poster pointed out, this year’s frosh class should be good. It’s the blueprint for how we should recruit. A couple blue chips, an offensive dynamo like Swanson who’ll play 3-4 years, and some decent overagers. We simply need to stay consistent with this approach. We need at least one  1st-3rd rd player every year. 
 

But youre right, good players like to play with good players. 

[yzerman19]

I can't quite put my finger on it, but there used to be certain mystique around Sioux hockey...where you knew they would both out hit and out skill you. You knew you were in for a fast and heavy game.  

[cberkas]

Nolen Geerdes commits to Western Michigan 

Seeing more and more players leaving the USHL to the CHL

[gfhockey]

3 hours ago, yzerman19 said:

I can't quite put my finger on it, but there used to be certain mystique around Sioux hockey...where you knew they would both out hit and out skill you. You knew you were in for a fast and heavy game.  

We lost that when Mr nice guy be your friend berry took the job #culture

[Big A HG]

On 10/10/2024 at 12:51 PM, yzerman19 said:

I can't quite put my finger on it, but there used to be certain mystique around Sioux hockey...where you knew they would both out hit and out skill you. You knew you were in for a fast and heavy game.  

We haven't had an identity in years...we just go out and play and hope we win.  Hak rebuilt each year with a new identity which led to some early season shortfalls but late season success.

[burd]

5 hours ago, Big A HG said:

We haven't had an identity in years...we just go out and play and hope we win.  Hak rebuilt each year with a new identity which led to some early season shortfalls but late season success.

Many of the loudest voices here called Hak's late season's results a failure for which he should be replaced. 

[Big A HG]

On 10/13/2024 at 6:54 AM, burd said:

Many of the loudest voices here called Hak's late season's results a failure for which he should be replaced. 

 

This gets said a lot but I don't know how true it is.

[tnt]

2 minutes ago, Big A HG said:

 

This gets said a lot but I don't know how true it is.

Take a look back at the Fire Hak threads after a Frozen Four loss.

[Big A HG]

2 minutes ago, tnt said:

Take a look back at the Fire Hak threads after a Frozen Four loss.

 

The onus is on you to provide evidence for your claims.  And regardless, Hak hasn't coached UND in almost ten years...what's next, who wanted Rube Bjorkman fired?  Right now it's about what Berry has [or hasn't] done...

[brianvf]

On 10/13/2024 at 4:54 AM, burd said:

Many of the loudest voices here called Hak's late season's results a failure for which he should be replaced. 

2 hours ago, Big A HG said:

This gets said a lot but I don't know how true it is.

2 hours ago, tnt said:

Take a look back at the Fire Hak threads after a Frozen Four loss.

2 hours ago, Big A HG said:

The onus is on you to provide evidence for your claims.

Luckily the search function on the forum makes it pretty easy. 

Reading thru a couple of them...it seems that many of the same points were being made by the same posters...it's just that they are saying "fire Hak" instead of "fire Berry".

From 2006: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/7468-fire-hakstol/#comment-207357
From 2008: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/11462-time-for-the-fire-hakstol-thread/#comment-358190
From 2010: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/13398-dusting-off-an-old-thread-fire-hakstol/#comment-429643
Another from 2010: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/13902-fire-hak/#comment-448826
Another from 2010 (end of season): https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/13872-is-it-time-to-fire-hak/#comment-445735
From 2011: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/15004-fire-head-coach-dave-hakstol/#comment-483425
From 2013: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/18289-time-to-fire-dave-hakstol/#comment-623234
From 2014: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/19704-fire-hak-14-15/#comment-728235

I also saw a ton of comments about how he couldn't win the big one, so should be replaced.

[Brett0909]

17 minutes ago, brianvf said:

Luckily the search function on the forum makes it pretty easy. 

Reading thru a couple of them...it seems that many of the same points were being made by the same posters...it's just that they are saying "fire Hak" instead of "fire Berry".

From 2006: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/7468-fire-hakstol/#comment-207357
From 2008: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/11462-time-for-the-fire-hakstol-thread/#comment-358190
From 2010: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/13398-dusting-off-an-old-thread-fire-hakstol/#comment-429643
Another from 2010: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/13902-fire-hak/#comment-448826
Another from 2010 (end of season): https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/13872-is-it-time-to-fire-hak/#comment-445735
From 2011: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/15004-fire-head-coach-dave-hakstol/#comment-483425
From 2013: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/18289-time-to-fire-dave-hakstol/#comment-623234
From 2014: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/19704-fire-hak-14-15/#comment-728235

I also saw a ton of comments about how he couldn't win the big one, so should be replaced.

Love it. Thx for collecting some of the greatest hits, it’s fun to see some posters that haven’t been around for years. 

At least we’re consistent! I laughed out loud at seeing stoney trying to calm down the overreactions on the first page I viewed, 10 years ago. Impressive resilience keeping up the good fight, I know it can’t be easy. 

[Blackheart]

8 hours ago, brianvf said:

Luckily the search function on the forum makes it pretty easy. 

Reading thru a couple of them...it seems that many of the same points were being made by the same posters...it's just that they are saying "fire Hak" instead of "fire Berry".

From 2006: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/7468-fire-hakstol/#comment-207357
From 2008: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/11462-time-for-the-fire-hakstol-thread/#comment-358190
From 2010: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/13398-dusting-off-an-old-thread-fire-hakstol/#comment-429643
Another from 2010: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/13902-fire-hak/#comment-448826
Another from 2010 (end of season): https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/13872-is-it-time-to-fire-hak/#comment-445735
From 2011: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/15004-fire-head-coach-dave-hakstol/#comment-483425
From 2013: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/18289-time-to-fire-dave-hakstol/#comment-623234
From 2014: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/19704-fire-hak-14-15/#comment-728235

I also saw a ton of comments about how he couldn't win the big one, so should be replaced.

So the fire Hak stuff started in 2006?  Wasn't he only 2-3 years in at that point?

[SJHovey]

51 minutes ago, Blackheart said:

So the fire Hak stuff started in 2006?  Wasn't he only 2-3 years in at that point?

You can’t get to a “Fire Hak VIII” thread if you don’t start early.

[cberkas]

Bryce Mattern to Arizona State

[Big A HG]

21 hours ago, brianvf said:

Luckily the search function on the forum makes it pretty easy. 

Reading thru a couple of them...it seems that many of the same points were being made by the same posters...it's just that they are saying "fire Hak" instead of "fire Berry".

From 2006: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/7468-fire-hakstol/#comment-207357
From 2008: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/11462-time-for-the-fire-hakstol-thread/#comment-358190
From 2010: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/13398-dusting-off-an-old-thread-fire-hakstol/#comment-429643
Another from 2010: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/13902-fire-hak/#comment-448826
Another from 2010 (end of season): https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/13872-is-it-time-to-fire-hak/#comment-445735
From 2011: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/15004-fire-head-coach-dave-hakstol/#comment-483425
From 2013: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/18289-time-to-fire-dave-hakstol/#comment-623234
From 2014: https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/19704-fire-hak-14-15/#comment-728235

I also saw a ton of comments about how he couldn't win the big one, so should be replaced.

 

Cool.  I have no idea who supported firing Hak and have no idea who supports firing Berry.  It doesn't matter who supported firing Hak as Hak has been gone for years.  You seem like you're still wearing your Holy Cross jersey.  I care about winning NCAA tournament games, nothing else.  All I know is that almost every aspect of the program as a whole has been worse under Berry than Hak despite the university having more resources than ever with the exception of conference championships.  Think Denver or Duluth would trade their real championships for more conference titles? 

[brianvf]

53 minutes ago, Big A HG said:

You seem like you're still wearing your Holy Cross jersey.  

 Ha, not even close. Certainly don’t own one and never have. Just providing the evidence that you requested. 

[burd]

10 hours ago, Big A HG said:

 

Cool.  I have no idea who supported firing Hak and have no idea who supports firing Berry.  It doesn't matter who supported firing Hak as Hak has been gone for years.  You seem like you're still wearing your Holy Cross jersey.  I care about winning NCAA tournament games, nothing else.  All I know is that almost every aspect of the program as a whole has been worse under Berry than Hak despite the university having more resources than ever with the exception of conference championships.  Think Denver or Duluth would trade their real championships for more conference titles? 

By the only metric that matters to you, Berry is the better coach by a score of 1 - 0.

[stoneySIOUX]

On 10/16/2024 at 1:03 AM, Brett0909 said:

Love it. Thx for collecting some of the greatest hits, it’s fun to see some posters that haven’t been around for years. 

At least we’re consistent! I laughed out loud at seeing stoney trying to calm down the overreactions on the first page I viewed, 10 years ago. Impressive resilience keeping up the good fight, I know it can’t be easy. 

HAHAHA goodness. I need a new hobby 

I just "hearted" a @yzerman19 post from 2014. 

[Walsh Hall]

On 10/15/2024 at 10:07 PM, Big A HG said:

 

The onus is on you to provide evidence for your claims.  And regardless, Hak hasn't coached UND in almost ten years...what's next, who wanted Rube Bjorkman fired?  Right now it's about what Berry has [or hasn't] done...

Winning 1 out of 10 is a pretty good clip, and a very reasonable goal to maintain at UND.  I know I've said this before, and it's not going to change anyone's mind, but we are ahead of the game when it comes to winning.  The Law of Averages plays a bit of a role in this.  The bad news is, from a historical perspective, we were due for another drought.  On the bright side, during this drought, we've still had a lot of secondary success to fall back on.  It's not like we've been in the cellar trying to crawl back into the successful ranks of college hockey.  The good news with the law of averages plays off of our short-term history, and it's the fact that we should have one coming soon.  So, you have the long-term history fighting against our short-term history and it's just a matter of which one plays out.

If winning 1 out of every 10 titles is a good, yet reasonable clip (which I feel is very fair for a team like UND), we'd have 10% of all titles. We are still ahead of the game.  Because we can't round down, we have 12 more years to win a championship to stay ahead of the curve.

 We've been very fortunate with our history, but times have changed and so should our expectations a little.  On the short-term we are overdue for another championship, but on the long-term, we are doing just fine still.  This is why everyone both wins and loses this argument every time.  Berry is a fine coach who has put our team in many opportunities to win another title.  He can't do it all, sometimes it's on the players, and the other team wants to win just as badly as we do, and we end up losing some games when we shouldn't.

[stoneySIOUX]

2 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said:

Winning 1 out of 10 is a pretty good clip, and a very reasonable goal to maintain at UND.  I know I've said this before, and it's not going to change anyone's mind, but we are ahead of the game when it comes to winning.  The Law of Averages plays a bit of a role in this.  The bad news is, from a historical perspective, we were due for another drought.  On the bright side, during this drought, we've still had a lot of secondary success to fall back on.  It's not like we've been in the cellar trying to crawl back into the successful ranks of college hockey.  The good news with the law of averages plays off of our short-term history, and it's the fact that we should have one coming soon.  So, you have the long-term history fighting against our short-term history and it's just a matter of which one plays out.

If winning 1 out of every 10 titles is a good, yet reasonable clip (which I feel is very fair for a team like UND), we'd have 10% of all titles. We are still ahead of the game.  Because we can't round down, we have 12 more years to win a championship to stay ahead of the curve.

 We've been very fortunate with our history, but times have changed and so should our expectations a little.  On the short-term we are overdue for another championship, but on the long-term, we are doing just fine still.  This is why everyone both wins and loses this argument every time.  Berry is a fine coach who has put our team in many opportunities to win another title.  He can't do it all, sometimes it's on the players, and the other team wants to win just as badly as we do, and we end up losing some games when we shouldn't.

By then, we'll have likely wanted to fire at least two more coaches 

[scpa0305]

9 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said:

Winning 1 out of 10 is a pretty good clip, and a very reasonable goal to maintain at UND.  I know I've said this before, and it's not going to change anyone's mind, but we are ahead of the game when it comes to winning.  The Law of Averages plays a bit of a role in this.  The bad news is, from a historical perspective, we were due for another drought.  On the bright side, during this drought, we've still had a lot of secondary success to fall back on.  It's not like we've been in the cellar trying to crawl back into the successful ranks of college hockey.  The good news with the law of averages plays off of our short-term history, and it's the fact that we should have one coming soon.  So, you have the long-term history fighting against our short-term history and it's just a matter of which one plays out.

If winning 1 out of every 10 titles is a good, yet reasonable clip (which I feel is very fair for a team like UND), we'd have 10% of all titles. We are still ahead of the game.  Because we can't round down, we have 12 more years to win a championship to stay ahead of the curve.

 We've been very fortunate with our history, but times have changed and so should our expectations a little.  On the short-term we are overdue for another championship, but on the long-term, we are doing just fine still.  This is why everyone both wins and loses this argument every time.  Berry is a fine coach who has put our team in many opportunities to win another title.  He can't do it all, sometimes it's on the players, and the other team wants to win just as badly as we do, and we end up losing some games when we shouldn't.

Completely agree. Titles have some luck to do with them…but the law of averages say a good team should get lucky every once in a while. I really like our coaching group…but the one concerning thing (recently) has been the lack of NCAA wins. I mean, dropping a FF game against a high end team is one thing…but consistently losing rd 1 games (when, in many cases, we’ve been the favorite) is getting a little frustrating. Just my 2 cents 

[scpa0305]

Lev Katzin…originally committed to Harvard, now committed to Penn State 

[.357]

30 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said:

Winning 1 out of 10 is a pretty good clip, and a very reasonable goal to maintain at UND.  I know I've said this before, and it's not going to change anyone's mind, but we are ahead of the game when it comes to winning.  The Law of Averages plays a bit of a role in this.  The bad news is, from a historical perspective, we were due for another drought.  On the bright side, during this drought, we've still had a lot of secondary success to fall back on.  It's not like we've been in the cellar trying to crawl back into the successful ranks of college hockey.  The good news with the law of averages plays off of our short-term history, and it's the fact that we should have one coming soon.  So, you have the long-term history fighting against our short-term history and it's just a matter of which one plays out.

If winning 1 out of every 10 titles is a good, yet reasonable clip (which I feel is very fair for a team like UND), we'd have 10% of all titles. We are still ahead of the game.  Because we can't round down, we have 12 more years to win a championship to stay ahead of the curve.

 We've been very fortunate with our history, but times have changed and so should our expectations a little.  On the short-term we are overdue for another championship, but on the long-term, we are doing just fine still.  This is why everyone both wins and loses this argument every time.  Berry is a fine coach who has put our team in many opportunities to win another title.  He can't do it all, sometimes it's on the players, and the other team wants to win just as badly as we do, and we end up losing some games when we shouldn't.

 Interesting take.

So MI, if they are to be consistent with the 1 title every 10 years scenario, have until 2038 to win title #10 to stay ahead of the curve (first title for them was in 1948). That would be 40 years between titles (last one was in 1998). Would that still be acceptable for a school of MI's caliber?

[JacksonW]

On 10/9/2024 at 2:47 PM, yzerman19 said:

We can't change the location of Grand Forks, we can't change the fact that you don't get Big10 football or hoops on off days, the Ralph isn't a huge differentiator anymore (although by no means a detriment)...somehow we gotta get the chippas that other chippas want to play with while recognizing the constraints we have vs Big10 and Hockey East.  At the peak of our recruiting success, players knew that Sioux hockey was where you played to prepare for the NHL...the coaching, facilities, training was all geared towards that...somehow we have lost a great deal of this, and rather quickly

As a past billet of USHL players(some who played in NHL), most(not all)kids now come from larger metro areas and desire amenities that they grew up with, the ones that went elsewhere all said weather and small town were primarily reasons for not considering or picking UND. Not staff or amenities. The days of high end recruits from Northern Minnesota and small town Canada are changing to any metro with NHL team

[nodakvindy]

17 minutes ago, .357 said:

 Interesting take.

So MI, if they are to be consistent with the 1 title every 10 years scenario, have until 2038 to win title #10 to stay ahead of the curve (first title for them was in 1948). That would be 40 years between titles (last one was in 1998). Would that still be acceptable for a school of MI's caliber?

well they went 32 years between title 7 and 8, so it wouldn't be unheard of.