Fire Berry Please!

[fightingsioux4life]

56 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

How much do you think apparel companies pay to use a trademark? Depends on the contract of course. For example, one can sell trademark rights to an apparel company or to a second party for a lump sum or a percentage of the profits/sales price etc. Certainly, there can be other options negotiated between the involved parties. Some of our legal experts would know better than I (nothing personal , but if we are upset about the money “we leave off the table” rather than “on the table”, we should have someone else negotiating).  
 

Profit margins on sporting apparel is often higher than other apparel, up to 30% maybe a little more or sometimes significantly less. That goes to the retail store owner, not the owner of the trademark. I may be mistaken, but the money earned from this on a “limited time run” isn’t going to produce $400,000 or more. This isn’t the Nike Swoosh.

NoDak apparel tends to appeal to a limited regional market. It is only on a portion of UND apparel.  If we want to buyout contracts, then we should be the ones to write the checks. 

We cannot continue to run the athletic department like we still have NCC Men-Women basketball double headers at Hyslop on Friday and Saturday nights. I don't know how much money selling merchandise would bring in, but we shouldn't just dismiss unorthodox ideas out of hand just because "it isn't what we've always done". College athletics continues getting more and more expensive and new revenue streams must be found.

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

We cannot continue to run the athletic department like we still have NCC Men-Women basketball double headers at Hyslop on Friday and Saturday nights. I don't know how much money selling merchandise would bring in, but we shouldn't just dismiss unorthodox ideas out of hand just because "it isn't what we've always done". College athletics continues getting more and more expensive and new revenue streams must be found.

Yet when they do try to open new revenue streams, people complain because they don't like the change. 

[iramurphy]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

We cannot continue to run the athletic department like we still have NCC Men-Women basketball double headers at Hyslop on Friday and Saturday nights. I don't know how much money selling merchandise would bring in, but we shouldn't just dismiss unorthodox ideas out of hand just because "it isn't what we've always done". College athletics continues getting more and more expensive and new revenue streams must be found.

I didn’t dismiss the idea, I stated an opinion that it would be very difficult to raise $400,000 using proceeds from use of the trademark, and the reason for my opinion. 

We  don’t run the athletic department. In my experience, the Athletic Department staff members continue to investigate multiple new opportunities to raise funds. There are multiple options for supporters to contribute. Recently, the 701 ( Alston) initiative, naming rights in new facilities for big ticket or smaller items. Meetings with supporters to discuss opportunities for future pledges from wills or trusts from those who aren’t in a position to contribute significant funds now. They are navigating the NIL challenge to coordinate compliance with the law, title IX, team needs and outside sources of funding (1983 initiative).  I believe they are always looking for new revenue streams. I have found they are willing to listen to new ideas, especially from those who will put in time and resources to help get things started. 
 

 

 

 

[The Tick]

7 hours ago, siouxkid12 said:

Having them run a Fighting Sioux jersey for a limited time isn't a bad idea for us fans but the school probably won't allow that. The school wants to move on from the nickname (no matter how hard us fans complain) but their image/brand is no longer the "Fighting Sioux". I believe one of the biggest things that holds us back still, is people/programs inability to move on from the "Fighting Sioux" nickname. 

HERESY.   The University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux had a brand that was unique and intriguing. The mascot represented a part of North Dakota’s history, and players that played with the Fighting Sioux logo on their sweaters played with grit and a pride for what the program represented.  They were not soft.  One of my best memories was when Darcy Mitani absolutely blew up a player behind the net at the old Ralph.  Then the few, who have to destroy anything that has a loyal and passionate following, turning that institution into excrement.  Fighting Hawks is plain blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.  Another bird or furry creature mascot, wow.  The hockey program does not have IT anymore, especially having the Fighting Sioux nickname taken away.  

[burd]

15 minutes ago, The Tick said:

HERESY.   The University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux had a brand that was unique and intriguing. The mascot represented a part of North Dakota’s history, and players that played with the Fighting Sioux logo on their sweaters played with grit and a pride for what the program represented.  They were not soft.  One of my best memories was when Darcy Mitani absolutely blew up a player behind the net at the old Ralph.  Then the few, who have to destroy anything that has a loyal and passionate following, turning that institution into excrement.  Fighting Hawks is plain blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.  Another bird or furry creature mascot, wow.  The hockey program does not have IT anymore, especially having the Fighting Sioux nickname taken away.  

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.  

[Oxbow6]

3 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Yet when they do try to open new revenue streams, people complain because they don't like the change. 

Like paying for FB playoff tickets in advance?

[gfhockey]

39 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Like paying for FB playoff tickets in advance?

Or buying hockey playoff tickets in advance when we don’t get home ife

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

8 hours ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

He appreciated me reaching out and it’s a top priority to field a winning program and said please support the players during this rough patch. He also said please come up and say hello if we are at the game together. 

Seems like we got a good one with Armacost

[The Tick]

55 minutes ago, burd said:

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.  

Shakespeare?  Little Woodenboy would love to see the marketing/branding ideas for that incorporated with hockey players uniforms.

[siouxkid12]

15 hours ago, The Tick said:

HERESY.   The University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux had a brand that was unique and intriguing. The mascot represented a part of North Dakota’s history, and players that played with the Fighting Sioux logo on their sweaters played with grit and a pride for what the program represented.  They were not soft.  One of my best memories was when Darcy Mitani absolutely blew up a player behind the net at the old Ralph.  Then the few, who have to destroy anything that has a loyal and passionate following, turning that institution into excrement.  Fighting Hawks is plain blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.  Another bird or furry creature mascot, wow.  The hockey program does not have IT anymore, especially having the Fighting Sioux nickname taken away.  

The reason they don't have "IT" anymore isn't due to the nickname, I mean we went to a couple Frozen Fours and won a national championship without having the nickname. They don't have "it" anymore because we have become complacent and that starts from the TOP down, no one is held accountable in the Athletic Department. 

[tnt]

13 hours ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:

Seems like we got a good one with Armacost

Still waiting to see how it plays out with him.  Wondering if the "gender inclusion" policy he tried to enact a few years ago was his idea or pushed on him.  I guess to his credit, when he got a ton of pushback, he changed course. 

[UND1983]

8 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

The reason they don't have "IT" anymore isn't due to the nickname, I mean we went to a couple Frozen Fours and won a national championship without having the nickname. They don't have "it" anymore because we have become complacent and that starts from the TOP down, no one is held accountable in the Athletic Department. 

This is correct.  The hockey team clings to that Sioux nonsense cause they think it's cool.  That's fine but it certainly isn't doing them any favors.  

[tnt]

3 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

This is correct.  The hockey team clings to that Sioux nonsense cause they think it's cool.  That's fine but it certainly isn't doing them any favors.  

Yes, rather than focusing on something you can't change, why not be doing what the announcer always says, and actually play "Old Time Fighting Sioux Hockey"!

[fightingsioux4life]

20 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Yet when they do try to open new revenue streams, people complain because they don't like the change. 

Change is hard for human beings in general. We are creatures of habit. But it is essential we change with changing times.

[fightingsioux4life]

20 hours ago, iramurphy said:

I didn’t dismiss the idea, I stated an opinion that it would be very difficult to raise $400,000 using proceeds from use of the trademark, and the reason for my opinion. 

We  don’t run the athletic department. In my experience, the Athletic Department staff members continue to investigate multiple new opportunities to raise funds. There are multiple options for supporters to contribute. Recently, the 701 ( Alston) initiative, naming rights in new facilities for big ticket or smaller items. Meetings with supporters to discuss opportunities for future pledges from wills or trusts from those who aren’t in a position to contribute significant funds now. They are navigating the NIL challenge to coordinate compliance with the law, title IX, team needs and outside sources of funding (1983 initiative).  I believe they are always looking for new revenue streams. I have found they are willing to listen to new ideas, especially from those who will put in time and resources to help get things started. 

Maybe the idea wouldn't work. I fully acknowledge that. My concern is that this athletic department seems chained to the old formula of season tickets, Champions Club donations and 50/50 raffle tickets. That worked just fine in Division 2. It is barely adequate for Division 1.

NIL is a fluid and ever changing issue that will probably continue evolving (or devolving depending on your point of view). The collective should have been started much sooner, but I am very excited about it being in place. I don't necessarily put the NIL issue on the athletic department because they have very little control over it.

Finding revenue streams to support the ever increasing cost of scholarships, FCOA and whatever else comes up in the coming years is my main concern for UND athletics.

[UND1983]

We are a D2 athletic department.  Run like one. Results like one.  

[gfhockey]

They don’t play fighting Sioux hockey anymore tho

[fightingsioux4life]

13 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

They don’t play fighting Sioux hockey anymore tho

We don't need to have the name to get back to playing that style again.

I think we all know the change that must be made.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

We are a D2 athletic department.  Run like one. Results like one.  

Posted right as the department announced they are opting out of the house settlement. Article quotes Chaves complaining that D2 schools don't have the same restrictions. Uncanny

[90siouxfan]

they took our soul

 

 

they are chippeweas

[cberkas]

14 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

they took our soul

 

 

they are chippeweas

I hate how they complained about everyone using Native American names and images in places they have little to no affiliation, but it’s ok for Central Michigan to use Chippeweas. Fx&!@ing hypocrites. If the Sioux tribe just sued the NCAA they’d probably win. 

[iramurphy]

3 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Maybe the idea wouldn't work. I fully acknowledge that. My concern is that this athletic department seems chained to the old formula of season tickets, Champions Club donations and 50/50 raffle tickets. That worked just fine in Division 2. It is barely adequate for Division 1.

NIL is a fluid and ever changing issue that will probably continue evolving (or devolving depending on your point of view). The collective should have been started much sooner, but I am very excited about it being in place. I don't necessarily put the NIL issue on the athletic department because they have very little control over it.

Finding revenue streams to support the ever increasing cost of scholarships, FCOA and whatever else comes up in the coming years is my main concern for UND athletics.

I agree that finding new revenue sources is imperative. Thinking “outside the box” is where you and I and others can help. I think you have correctly outlined the challenges. Regardless of what I think, I would hope you keep trying to come up with new ways to raise funds and sharing your ideas with University staff. That’s one of the places new good ideas come from. 


 

[Goon]

1 hour ago, iramurphy said:

I agree that finding new revenue sources is imperative. Thinking “outside the box” is where you and I and others can help. I think you have correctly outlined the challenges. Regardless of what I think, I would hope you keep trying to come up with new ways to raise funds and sharing your ideas with University staff. That’s one of the places new good ideas come from. 


 

I agree, and fans buy your favorite players shirt through the Sioux Shop. I have four of them now, and I am picking up a fifth tonight after work. I bought a Treysen Eaglestaff shirt to add to my collection. Apparently, they get $5 dollars for t-shirt and $15 for the Jerseys.

[yzerman19]

I'm picking up a fifth tonight too....for consuming during the USA vs Canada game lol

[The Tick]

9 hours ago, tnt said:

Yes, rather than focusing on something you can't change, why not be doing what the announcer always says, and actually play "Old Time Fighting Sioux Hockey"!

Here is what I meant by IT, and why I believe it is held on passionately by fans, which can be attributed by Mr. Englestad himself.  These are statements written by him which are referenced from "Fight on Sioux";

"Hopefully, the Ralph Englestad Arena will inspire future alumni to follow that treasured tradition of giving and to follow in the footsteps of many who have sacrificed for and given to their alma mater, UND."

"The modern-day relentless demolition and ridicule of admirable traditions have left people with little solid good to cling to in history.  Those who frequent that street for the sake of destruction fail to recognize that traditions are a vital social value."

"Tradition is that gentle fabric woven through time and experience, tediously implemented and practiced through a comprehensive set of crucial, individual contributions, generating meaning, character and identity to one and all.  The Fighting Sioux logo, the Indian head symbol, the Fighting Sioux uniforms, the aura of the Fighting Sioux tradition and spirit of being a Fighting Sioux are a lasting value and of immeasurable significance to our past, present, and future."

North Dakota Hockey is just another college hockey program in the niche sport of college hockey.