2024 UND Football

[gfhockey]

If we hire inside the team I believe we are throwing the white flag

 

if we get a Landry or Luke there’s still hope 

[The Sicatoka]

If I were Jake or Luke and wanted more than another OC gig, I'd stay on the outside for now, like Freund just did. 

Kelly Howe's (UNDFootball360) take re: Freund seems spot on to me. 

[gundy1124]

5 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

If we hire inside the team I believe we are throwing the white flag

 

if we get a Landry or Luke there’s still hope 

Bubba fired Luke when he got to GF, thought Rudy was a better option.  I suppose the OC with next year HC would be enticing, but that's not the Vibe I am hearing.  

[ND-fan]

I have gut feeling Chaves comes in next week or two and extends Bubba’s contract a year based on this past year. The under lying reason is to bring outside OC giving that person that will be some continuity in the program. This would guarantee at least two or three year commitment. Second if he doesn’t we loose players and have terrible season go backwards  loss in revenues and having back to back seasons limbo could destroy the program even worse then 2013 year and then to get somebody to take over the program may set the program back even further. I believe Chaves wants continuity and having program maintains upper quality level with ability to get to championship level and within long-term goal of staying in budget. I wonder what will be reaction from people on this board if this happens. 

[The Sicatoka]

I see path of least resistance:

- King and Pawlak as co-OCs 
- King takes over QBs
- new hire guy takes over WRs
 

[fightingsioux4life]

32 minutes ago, ND-fan said:

I have gut feeling Chaves comes in next week or two and extends Bubba’s contract a year based on this past year. The under lying reason is to bring outside OC giving that person that will be some continuity in the program. This would guarantee at least two or three year commitment. Second if he doesn’t we loose players and have terrible season go backwards  loss in revenues and having back to back seasons limbo could destroy the program even worse then 2013 year and then to get somebody to take over the program may set the program back even further. I believe Chaves wants continuity and having program maintains upper quality level with ability to get to championship level and within long-term goal of staying in budget. I wonder what will be reaction from people on this board if this happens. 

If this happens, Chaves need to go.

[The Sicatoka]

36 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

Bubba fired Luke when he got to GF, thought Rudy was a better option. 

Oh my ... Luke's resume is linked above. 

[sioux24/7]

19 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I see path of least resistance:

- King and Pawlak as co-OCs 
- King takes over QBs
- new hire guy takes over WRs
 

My thoughts as well. Maybe Hardin finally lands that assistant job. 

[Sioux94]

A few people seem to think King if we stay with internal. Seems like  Landry has a   better resume than King and has already been an OC. 

[gundy1124]

17 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I see path of least resistance:

- King and Pawlak as co-OCs 
- King takes over QBs
- new hire guy takes over WRs
 

Sam King - 4 year QB Bemidji State with a stat line of 5-for-13 (38.5%) for 85 yards, for his career.  Place holder as a Sr.

Next, 2 years of quality control at UND (I don't even know what that means other than cutting up film, getting coffee and lunch for real coaches)

Then, 2 years GA at UMD to help with RBs.

Then, 5 years WR coach at UND.

There isn't an easier position to coach than WR and RB. 

Co -OC or OC......you got to be kidding.

[The Sicatoka]

5 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

Co -OC or OC......you got to be kidding.

Like I said, path of least resistance, would be that.

And it's not far removed from the resume of the DC. 

[gundy1124]

16 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Oh my ... Luke's resume is linked above. 

I've known Luke since the 1st day he stepped on campus and we still talk.  He's surely qualified, but I don't see a way UND can lure him.

[gundy1124]

7 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Like I said, path of least resistance, would be that.

And it's not far removed from the resume of the DC. 

Other than the picks vrs the Red Raiders, Joel was a really good player and the position he coached, safeties, pretty much runs the D.  Those are big differences.

I am much more on the Pawlak side if internal.

[Oxbow6]

38 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I see path of least resistance:

- King and Pawlak as co-OCs 
- King takes over QBs
- new hire guy takes over WRs
 

....and that leaves UND where after a 5-7 campaign in 2024?

[AJS]

17 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

Sam King - 4 year QB Bemidji State with a stat line of 5-for-13 (38.5%) for 85 yards, for his career.  Place holder as a Sr.

Next, 2 years of quality control at UND (I don't even know what that means other than cutting up film, getting coffee and lunch for real coaches)

Then, 2 years GA at UMD to help with RBs.

Then, 5 years WR coach at UND.

There isn't an easier position to coach than WR and RB. 

Co -OC or OC......you got to be kidding.

What does his stat line in college have to do with how effective he is as a coach? 

[SiouxBoys]

Just now, AJS said:

What does his stat line in college have to do with how effective he is as a coach? 

Literally nothing.

[SooToo]

16 hours ago, homer said:

 

An up and coming coach with some balls and confidence will take this job.  Three weeks ago this board was on board with the offense being the strength of this team. Nothing changed but the coach.  Two really good QBs, really good young RBs, one of the best WRs in FCS and a well above average OL.  Not a bad start for someone with a pair to prove it and the desire to move up. 

I think Homer's got it. There may be some who hesitate, but I gotta believe plenty of capable young coaches would be excited by the chance to prove their abilities at an upper-tier fcs program.

For better or worse, mobility and change are inherent factors in climbing the career ladder for ambitious young coaches. Look at everybody's favorite, Kalen DeBoer; 3-4 years at Sioux Falls, then barely time to unpack his bags at a half dozen stops on his way to Washington.

[UND-FB-FAN]

5 hours ago, Devils said:

I do chuckle a little bit...while I am troubled by Danny's departure, some threads on here have had posts by the usual negative suspects that our coaches never leave because no one wants them.  Now, when one moves on the program is judged to be in shambles.  

Kind of missing the point, aren’t you? The one coach on staff that could replace Bubba as head coach and do better than him has left, and he took a lesser position at a rival institution. That is the issue. 

[gundy1124]

25 minutes ago, AJS said:

What does his stat line in college have to do with how effective he is as a coach? 

Aside from a starter having the experience to actually run an offense live, 2-minute, audibles, RPOs, hot routes, check with me, all sorts of in game adjustments and abilities/responsibilities to change plays and work with OC on what he's seeing and possible input on game plans, nothing.

[RhettRingers]

What happens with Danny when Jimmy Rogers moves on to become a DC at a Power 5 program? 

[nodak651]

9 minutes ago, RhettRingers said:

What happens with Danny when Jimmy Rogers moves on to become a DC at a Power 5 program? 

SDSU head coach!

[Sioux_FF]

19 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Kind of missing the point, aren’t you? The one coach on staff that could replace Bubba as head coach and do better than him has left, and he took a lesser position at a rival institution. That is the issue. 

Are you basing this on your personal experience as a college football player? Or is it based more on your varied experience as a college football coach?   Or, both?

[sioux24/7]

Jake Landry has some experience but are we going to be excited if he happens to be it? I don’t know enough about how he’s done at Temple and now the OC at St. Thomas other than his offense declined in year 2. 

[The Sicatoka]

55 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

....and that leaves UND where after a 5-7 campaign in 2024?

Circa 2013. 

[The Sicatoka]

Kelly Howe's (UNDFootball360) logic makes more sense by the minute: "Bubba’s contract status. Tough to be hanging around when a coach is nearing the end of his contract with no guarantee of an extension in sight. Bubba has two years left, which in the football terms means he has one year left." 

What outsider wants to come in and put themselves at risk of being gone in possibly ten months if Bubba retires.