Johnny Five Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Fall of 2023 NDAHA Board Meeting Minutes. 2nd page. A full out discussion about a year round AAA program (think sioux falls power) being run in ND. Sounds like the wheels are being greased. Heard rumors of this at the State Tournament, but hadn't seen that it was officially discussed. Curious how this is going to play out. https://ndaha.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/NDAHA-2023-Fall-BOD-Meeting-Minutes.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 4 hours ago, gfhockey said: Isn’t this due to the lawsuit You can look back on meeting board minutes from well into last year. The position was being looked into well before any alleged lawsuit had come up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxweet Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 7 minutes ago, jdub27 said: You can look back on meeting board minutes from well into last year. The position was being looked into well before any alleged lawsuit had come up. The lawsuit probably accelerated the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 26 minutes ago, Johnny Five said: Fall of 2023 NDAHA Board Meeting Minutes. 2nd page. A full out discussion about a year round AAA program (think sioux falls power) being run in ND. Sounds like the wheels are being greased. Heard rumors of this at the State Tournament, but hadn't seen that it was officially discussed. Curious how this is going to play out. https://ndaha.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/NDAHA-2023-Fall-BOD-Meeting-Minutes.pdf How does a AAA team operate vs a high school team? One or the other...same ages...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen4sioux Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 26 minutes ago, UND1983 said: How does a AAA team operate vs a high school team? One or the other...same ages...? In the world of NDHSAA (and all high school associations i guess) its very definetly one or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yote 53 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 59 minutes ago, Johnny Five said: Fall of 2023 NDAHA Board Meeting Minutes. 2nd page. A full out discussion about a year round AAA program (think sioux falls power) being run in ND. Sounds like the wheels are being greased. Heard rumors of this at the State Tournament, but hadn't seen that it was officially discussed. Curious how this is going to play out. https://ndaha.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/NDAHA-2023-Fall-BOD-Meeting-Minutes.pdf I had a whole thing written up but to be more concise I will just say, don't do it. Promote Team North Dakota. Look at the success of Team Wisconsin as a model. Preserve and promote HS hockey in NoDak while also offering opportunities for your best players to showcase themselves at the Tier 1 level. Just my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Five Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 33 minutes ago, Yote 53 said: I had a whole thing written up but to be more concise I will just say, don't do it. Promote Team North Dakota. Look at the success of Team Wisconsin as a model. Preserve and promote HS hockey in NoDak while also offering opportunities for your best players to showcase themselves at the Tier 1 level. Just my opinion. Due to the high number of boys and girls leaving ND, status quo is not working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux rube Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Johnny Five said: Fall of 2023 NDAHA Board Meeting Minutes. 2nd page. A full out discussion about a year round AAA program (think sioux falls power) being run in ND. Sounds like the wheels are being greased. Heard rumors of this at the State Tournament, but hadn't seen that it was officially discussed. Curious how this is going to play out. https://ndaha.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/NDAHA-2023-Fall-BOD-Meeting-Minutes.pdf My daughter and I were just talking about this. She worked at Hoist hockey in Fargo and the owner of that is the one trying to get this going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yote 53 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Johnny Five said: Due to the high number of boys and girls leaving ND, status quo is not working. So they still leave the local HS programs and instead of going to Sioux Falls and elsewhere they move to Fargo. On top of that, now that you have a Tier 1 program in Fargo it becomes a great local option for kids in the Fargo and Grand Forks areas who might not ever thought about moving away from home for Tier 1. They weren't going to do it but since you gave them easy access, why not pursue it? In the end ND HS hockey will suffer, possibly even more than it currently is and this won't solve your problems with talent level in ND HS Hockey. Also, I don't think you should stick with the status quo either. I think Team North Dakota needs to really be pushed and elevated. In Wisconsin, a lot of players, if they don't make TW they don't even bother with the Capitols or the Admirals or going to Chicago for AAA. They figure if they are not good enough to make TW then why spend 10's of thousands of dollars chasing? They play WEHL (Wisconsin Elite League) instead. Really, all this does is weaken the Power by stemming the flow of players leaving NoDak for Sioux Falls and force them to find their players elsewhere because they'll be cut off from NoDak and Manitoba players who have a closer option in Fargo. In fact, I should be all for this, being from South Dakota and having my youngest coming up through the system now. More spots available in Sioux Falls, a Team Midwest option building, Omaha still being an option (it's where my oldest played). This could be great for me, but not for ND HS Hockey. If the problem is losing players to Juniors, either the USHL or NAHL, this Tier 1 program won't stop that. Kids with those options are already past having to play U16/U18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!! Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 In my opinion, if a kid can't make NAHL at a minimum or the USHL, he has no business leaving high school hockey. But when parents have money burning a hole in their pocket, what can you do... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Five Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 44 minutes ago, andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!! said: In my opinion, if a kid can't make NAHL at a minimum or the USHL, he has no business leaving high school hockey. But when parents have money burning a hole in their pocket, what can you do... I can agree with that. Advantage, males. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Five Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 42 minutes ago, Yote 53 said: So they still leave the local HS programs and instead of going to Sioux Falls and elsewhere they move to Fargo. On top of that, now that you have a Tier 1 program in Fargo it becomes a great local option for kids in the Fargo and Grand Forks areas who might not ever thought about moving away from home for Tier 1. They weren't going to do it but since you gave them easy access, why not pursue it? In the end ND HS hockey will suffer, possibly even more than it currently is and this won't solve your problems with talent level in ND HS Hockey. Also, I don't think you should stick with the status quo either. I think Team North Dakota needs to really be pushed and elevated. In Wisconsin, a lot of players, if they don't make TW they don't even bother with the Capitols or the Admirals or going to Chicago for AAA. They figure if they are not good enough to make TW then why spend 10's of thousands of dollars chasing? They play WEHL (Wisconsin Elite League) instead. Really, all this does is weaken the Power by stemming the flow of players leaving NoDak for Sioux Falls and force them to find their players elsewhere because they'll be cut off from NoDak and Manitoba players who have a closer option in Fargo. In fact, I should be all for this, being from South Dakota and having my youngest coming up through the system now. More spots available in Sioux Falls, a Team Midwest option building, Omaha still being an option (it's where my oldest played). This could be great for me, but not for ND HS Hockey. If the problem is losing players to Juniors, either the USHL or NAHL, this Tier 1 program won't stop that. Kids with those options are already past having to play U16/U18. I can speak on the girls side...not on the boys side, my son never had interest in Team ND or pursuing post HS hockey. I think we talked about earlier in this thread, the amount of girls that have graduated from ND hockey and made a Division 1 roster is minimal. There have been quite a few that have left ND for greener pastures and went D1. Would they have made it had they stayed? Nobody knows. Are the 10-15 girls who could be playing HS hockey in ND who left going to make D1 hockey? Some, yes. Some no. Time will tell.... Problem is...you have a daughter who loves the game, works at it, dreams of playing D1 hockey. Go to a tournament or a camp and they're told "you need to get out of ND." What do you do? There is no Juniors for girls hockey players. Their JR and SR year is their "juniors" experience. So girls do Team ND in the fall, then drop back to their 15U and HS teams and the level of play just drops. The intent being, play that level year round...with like minded girls...and your game elevates. Because every HS team has maybe 2-3 girls (if they're lucky) who actually prioritize hockey. The former UND coach literally looked Britta Curl in the face and said she needs to get out of ND. She stuck to her guns but got recognized outside of ND hockey (USA HP), got a scholarship to Wisconsin, has a Gold medal, etc. She's the .0001 %. So do I blame families for leaving? No. Would this be enticing? Yes, once the kinks are worked out. Do I want to move my daughter somewhere because of hockey? Also no. Am I glad there are people looking to create different avenues for kids? Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yote 53 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 To be clear, I am posting specifically about boys hockey in NoDak. Girls hockey is a different animal and, after reading your post, I can see the benefits of a Tier 1 girls program in Fargo. Are the proposals being discussed for a boys program, girls program, both, or just boys/just girls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Five Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Both I do believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux rube Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 12 minutes ago, Johnny Five said: Both I do believe. It is both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen4sioux Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Wondering if this went any further through the winter or if it was brought up again in the spring meeting.. haven't seen the minutes from that yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen4sioux Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 In the realm of not that surprising news... Wes Carr out after the 5 worst years in Bismarck High hockey history. Feel bad it didn't work out, great guy but, not the hockey coach they needed. Was best for the program to part ways.... if there's even going to be one left. https://www.facebook.com/share/k6L4Aa7Hd2HL4qoi/?mibextid=xfxF2i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Five Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Good for Wes. The public shaming of him on social media was pathetic and embarrassing. It's hard to get hockey coaches the way it is in Bismarck, I'm guessing the number of applicants for this one after that will be slim to none. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wilbur Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Heard a rumor that the young goalie from Grafton is on his way out of high school hockey next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen4sioux Posted Tuesday at 10:25 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:25 AM On 4/19/2024 at 9:42 PM, Wilbur said: Heard a rumor that the young goalie from Grafton is on his way out of high school hockey next season. Absolutely not shocking in any way, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Five Posted Tuesday at 03:05 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:05 PM On 4/19/2024 at 8:41 PM, SiouxperDave said: Guessing the odds of USA Hockey going against NDAHA are slim and none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!! Posted Tuesday at 04:12 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:12 PM 1 hour ago, Johnny Five said: Guessing the odds of USA Hockey going against NDAHA are slim and none. Any idea as to why NDAHA denied this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadR Posted Tuesday at 06:19 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:19 PM Who is running that Tier 1 attempt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux rube Posted Tuesday at 07:39 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:39 PM 1 hour ago, ChadR said: Who is running that Tier 1 attempt? I believe it’s the guy who owns Hoist hockey in Fargo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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