Some Thoughts on UND's FB Program

[FSSD]

7 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Child's play: https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/99e13586 

I agree on the scholarships..  but I thought that NDSU fully funded all sports.  And if moving to FBS is going to require an additional 22 for football.  Would NDSU need to add a sport? Which could mean an additional 22 or so for a women's sports to get to the $6 number.  And at what point are the FBS schools who are making up their own rules going to drop the two approaches to title IX.  And go with equal opportunity.  The day that comes you would see a sizable shift in resources at NDSU.  All things to be considered prior to making the move.

[FSSD]

5 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

You seem to always forget your university supports your athletic dept to the tune of 10M EVERYYEAR.  

I think the difference you are talking about is around $5 million.  But, you need to consider the differences in programs supports by the department.  NDSU has taken a very strategic approach to moving into FCS much like the Montana schools.  But, moving up to FBS and MW could change some of those approaches.

NOTE:  Source USA Today Database.

 

[FSSD]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Imagine the number "$5M" haunting you two ways:
- it's all you're doing in athletic grants and raising that will get some Title IX eyeballs to verify all is well, or not
- it's what the NDSU academic bailout was -- imagine the press: $5M academic bailout used as FBS FB buy-in 

I stand by my observation:
Of the MTs, SDs, and NDs, UND has the smallest lift under the proposed rule, followed by NDSU. 

You also need to remember that the SDs have mortgages on those new facilities to be paid.

[The Sicatoka]

9 minutes ago, FSSD said:

You also need to remember that the SDs have mortgages on those new facilities to be paid.

Yikes.

[The Sicatoka]

30 minutes ago, FSSD said:

I agree on the scholarships..  but I thought that NDSU fully funded all sports.  And if moving to FBS is going to require an additional 12 for football. 

That's where NDSU at $5M for grants doesn't make sense. Both MT schools, with fewer sports, are dollars ahead. I wonder if @nodak651 has some data. 

And FBS means going 63 -> 85 FB scholarships (plus whatever Title IX adjustments must also be made). 

EDIT: I look elsewhere and what do I find @nodak651 has posted. 

Quote

 

NDSU Athletically Related Student Aid
Men's Teams Women's Teams Total
Total $3,089,937 $1,934,777 $5,024,714
Ratio (percent) 61 39 100%

Unduplicated Count of Participants 273 Men 158 Women (63/37)

 

Their overall campus enrollment can't be that male dominated. 

[The Sicatoka]

15 minutes ago, FSSD said:

NOTE:  Source USA Today Database.

More up to date.

https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports 

[Mama Sue]

What a mess. Maybe just radio games, outdoor stadiums, and pay cash at the gate should come back. Too many fingers in the pie and every one of them wants to make money off college sports, IMHO.

[Hawkster]

1 hour ago, FSSD said:

I agree on the scholarships..  but I thought that NDSU fully funded all sports.  And if moving to FBS is going to require an additional 12 for football.  Would NDSU need to add a sport? Which could mean an additional 12 or so for a women's sports to get to the $6 number.  And at what point are the FBS schools who are making up their own rules going to drop the two approaches to title IX.  And go with equal opportunity.  The day that comes you would see a sizable shift in resources at NDSU.  All things to be considered prior to making the move.

Moving to FBS requires an additional 22 scholarships going from 63 to 85

[FSSD]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

That's where NDSU at $5M for grants doesn't make sense. Both MT schools, with fewer sports, are dollars ahead. I wonder if @nodak651 has some data. 

And FBS means going 63 -> 85 FB scholarships (plus whatever Title IX adjustments must also be made). 

EDIT: I look elsewhere and what do I find @nodak651 has posted. 

Their overall campus enrollment can't be that male dominated. 

It is not, per Department of Education Numbers

EF Male Count: 4590 approximately 51%

EF Female Count: 4397 approximately 49%

EF Total Count: 8987 

[FSSD]

1 minute ago, Hawkster said:

Moving to FBS requires an additional 22 scholarships going from 63 to 85

Well that was embarrassing 

[SiouxFan100]

What would be the effect on UND football if Sanford came to town?

[SIOUXFAN97]

On 6/29/2023 at 8:43 AM, UND-FB-FAN said:

It also means NDSU will certainly go FBS then. Hopefully UND learned from their previous mistakes and leads the way to FBS.

fixed

[SIOUXFAN97]

On 6/29/2023 at 2:00 PM, The Sicatoka said:

Imagine the number "$5M" haunting you two ways:
- it's all you're doing in athletic grants and raising that will get some Title IX eyeballs to verify all is well, or not
- it's what the NDSU academic bailout was -- imagine the press: $5M academic bailout used as FBS FB buy-in 

I stand by my observation:
Of the MTs, SDs, and NDs, UND has the smallest lift under the proposed rule, followed by NDSU. 

"smallest lift"....explain for the guys in the back

 

[The Sicatoka]

Least work to do; shortest check list. 

[iramurphy]

5 hours ago, SiouxFan100 said:

What would be the effect on UND football if Sanford came to town?

Initially it was $10,000,000 but it included the Sports Med contract. The $10,000,000 was left “dangling “ for quite some time. I have no idea anymore but if I were UND, both issues would be on page one. 

[petey23]

On 6/29/2023 at 4:20 PM, The Sicatoka said:

That's where NDSU at $5M for grants doesn't make sense. Both MT schools, with fewer sports, are dollars ahead. I wonder if @nodak651 has some data. 

And FBS means going 63 -> 85 FB scholarships (plus whatever Title IX adjustments must also be made). 

EDIT: I look elsewhere and what do I find @nodak651 has posted. 

Their overall campus enrollment can't be that male dominated. 

It's not. I have said this for a few years, or at least going back to when we dropped women's hockey and I did a little research. The A.D.'s office probably breaks into a cold sweat whenever they see 4-5 females coming into the office to discuss opportunity...whether it be Hockey, Rugby, Wrestling or something else.

Looking at some of the bigger schools in the country it seems that women's rowing seems to be the way to even out the participation prong. Looking at the sheer numbers on B10 rowing rosters and I would wager there are 20-30 girls walking around campus who are unaware they are even on the team.

[Mama Sue]

14 hours ago, iramurphy said:

Initially it was $10,000,000 but it included the Sports Med contract. The $10,000,000 was left “dangling “ for quite some time. I have no idea anymore but if I were UND, both issues would be on page one. 

Not so sure…..corporate healthcare is not what it is cracked up to be. Although the GF area is large enough to support all specialties and sub specialities. It is the gobble-gobble of smaller area hospitals and clinics that change the small community landscape…forever.

[northernraider]

13 hours ago, petey23 said:

It's not. I have said this for a few years, or at least going back to when we dropped women's hockey and I did a little research. The A.D.'s office probably breaks into a cold sweat whenever they see 4-5 females coming into the office to discuss opportunity...whether it be Hockey, Rugby, Wrestling or something else.

Looking at some of the bigger schools in the country it seems that women's rowing seems to be the way to even out the participation prong. Looking at the sheer numbers on B10 rowing rosters and I would wager there are 20-30 girls walking around campus who are unaware they are even on the team.

Pick one of these sports and call it a great day for UND women's sports

Varsity Blues scandal - Wikipedia

[JohnboyND7]

15 hours ago, petey23 said:

It's not. I have said this for a few years, or at least going back to when we dropped women's hockey and I did a little research. The A.D.'s office probably breaks into a cold sweat whenever they see 4-5 females coming into the office to discuss opportunity...whether it be Hockey, Rugby, Wrestling or something else.

Looking at some of the bigger schools in the country it seems that women's rowing seems to be the way to even out the participation prong. Looking at the sheer numbers on B10 rowing rosters and I would wager there are 20-30 girls walking around campus who are unaware they are even on the team.

I am sure they are aware they are on the team. My cousin went to Columbia for track. Went out to visit her and she introduced me to a friend who was on the rowing team. Turns out, the girl did not row in high school. Just had a solid build and the coach told her they'd teach her how when she got there. I'm sure the B1G schools engage in similar conduct lol. Coach needs to put a team together after all...

[petey23]

5 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said:

I am sure they are aware they are on the team. My cousin went to Columbia for track. Went out to visit her and she introduced me to a friend who was on the rowing team. Turns out, the girl did not row in high school. Just had a solid build and the coach told her they'd teach her how when she got there. I'm sure the B1G schools engage in similar conduct lol. Coach needs to put a team together after all...

I was being a little sarcastic. But for an event that usually requires 20 athletes I find it a little strange that the average D1 roster is 47 athletes and schools like Iowa and Wisconsin have 70-80 members listed on the teams.

Just saying it seems to be a good way around one of the title 9 prongs or requirements.

Just think at Wisconsin where they had 80 listed on their roster last season, someone is like 65th string.

[Siouxperman8]

2 hours ago, petey23 said:

I was being a little sarcastic. But for an event that usually requires 20 athletes I find it a little strange that the average D1 roster is 47 athletes and schools like Iowa and Wisconsin have 70-80 members listed on the teams.

Just saying it seems to be a good way around one of the title 9 prongs or requirements.

Just think at Wisconsin where they had 80 listed on their roster last season, someone is like 65th string.

A young woman that I coached in basketball was a freshman at Wisconsin about 12 years ago.  She is about 6' tall and an athlete.  Within a few days on campus they tried to recruit her for the rowing team.  She declined. 

[The Sicatoka]

On 7/2/2023 at 8:27 PM, petey23 said:

… whether it be Hockey, Rugby, Wrestling or something else.

Equestrian. 

[iramurphy]

For anyone wanting direct access to key UND admin, Alumni Assn admin, athletic Dept admin, or coaches, log on to undalumni.org and find an activity near you. 

The Golf outing in DL on July 13 is sold out but Kim and Nicole Poolman host the largest summer gathering at their beautiful lake home on Pelican south of DL on July 14. 
 

[iramurphy]

Going back to previous discussions. I spoke with Bill Chaves, Val Sannes, and Tim Belmore today. They were very accessible to anyone who wanted to talk to them. I passed along the concerns/ideas some of you have expressed regarding complaints of some not feeling appreciated as Champions Club donors, not responding to messages, Emails etc. , some feeling they don’t receive communication from UND officials etc. 

I also related that I and others offered to coordinate meetings between them and fans or supporters but no one contacted me to set that up. They all would be happy to meet with any of you. I also let them know how some think they are lazy and clueless. I think they would love to have those folks follow them for a few weeks but they were disappointed to hear that. Bottom line: I said I would pass along those concerns/ideas and I did. 
 

They have major functions in Detroit Lakes today, Pelican Lake tom Orie and Sunday and Monday in the twin cities. Coaches from multiple sports are attending while also going back and forth between Grand Forks and these locations to coordinate summer camps, a big recruiting week for FB, MBB, WBB, and hockey. 

[iramurphy]

I attended the Alumni function on Pelican Lake this evening. A number of the alumni staff were in DL yesterday for the Champions Club Golf event, returned to GF last night, then back for this event this evening. Bubba was at todays event as were many alumni office personnel and key UND administrators including President Armacost and his wife Kathy. It was easy to visit with any of these key people. I had a long visit with Dave Hakstol. The athletic department staff, FB coaches and a number of key alumni staff will returne to GF tonight then will be In Minneapolis for the FB function Sunday and Monday. Anyone who thinks for a moment that these folks are “lazy” hasn’t a flipping clue. 
These events go on around the country year round. These events are not exclusive. Those who took the time had ample opportunity to chat with President Andy, Deanna Zink, Bill Chaves, Bubba and other FB coaches, and other coaches from hockey, golf and tennis. Many Alumni including former Sioux greats from multiple sports and Kraken Coach Dave Hakstol attend. It’s a great time to connect to other alumni and build relationships with key UND staff. It’s a great time to personally witness how hard these people work trying make UND including our athletic teams better and to connect with fans, supporters, donors and alumni.