New Coach

[GoodGood]

5 minutes ago, SD UND said:

What’s it like to be a whiny bitch all the time?

Winning solves a lot of problems. Maybe we’ll get there someday. Just need a bit more luck 

[Kab]

Herbst does a good job speaking

i can see why players would like him

he has a passion for Und basketball 

wins will come 

[ND-fan]

It was a good press conference, and he is right that they are playing very young team out there we have no elite junior or senior player to build around on this team. I would criticize him on couple of points but being assistant coach, he does not have final say on construction of this team. I look at this roster wonder why they didn't look for one transfer that would give them team leadership from point guard position. The goal seems to be to build this team with high school recruits and that continues again with next year's recruits. This is not the answer a lot of people who are on this board are looking for because to do this means were at least looking at another year before we can look to move to upper half of the conference. I have to believe Chaves has had to sign off on this as well or Sather is putting himself at great risk with his job.  Even on women's side they are basically been doing the same thing only difference is they do have elite player in Borowicz and now number of senior players this year but there again they didn't replace starter that transferred but went with high school players to replace with for this year. I believe this is philosophy of athletic department and it comes from the AD and University President must have signed off on this as well or fully approves of this practice. We do need a win because these players are needing to get some confidence back. I wouldn't be surprised we see two-year extension of Sather's contract especially if we start to get a few wins before the season is over.

[gfhockey]

4 hours ago, ND-fan said:

It was a good press conference, and he is right that they are playing very young team out there we have no elite junior or senior player to build around on this team. I would criticize him on couple of points but being assistant coach, he does not have final say on construction of this team. I look at this roster wonder why they didn't look for one transfer that would give them team leadership from point guard position. The goal seems to be to build this team with high school recruits and that continues again with next year's recruits. This is not the answer a lot of people who are on this board are looking for because to do this means were at least looking at another year before we can look to move to upper half of the conference. I have to believe Chaves has had to sign off on this as well or Sather is putting himself at great risk with his job.  Even on women's side they are basically been doing the same thing only difference is they do have elite player in Borowicz and now number of senior players this year but there again they didn't replace starter that transferred but went with high school players to replace with for this year. I believe this is philosophy of athletic department and it comes from the AD and University President must have signed off on this as well or fully approves of this practice. We do need a win because these players are needing to get some confidence back. I wouldn't be surprised we see two-year extension of Sather's contract especially if we start to get a few wins before the season is over.

Herbst was hired in April. Roster was set before him getting here. He had no say in the roster. I want to see what he could at least do with two recruiting classes he always finds diamonds in the rough 

[sioux24/7]

6 hours ago, ND-fan said:

It was a good press conference, and he is right that they are playing very young team out there we have no elite junior or senior player to build around on this team. I would criticize him on couple of points but being assistant coach, he does not have final say on construction of this team. I look at this roster wonder why they didn't look for one transfer that would give them team leadership from point guard position. The goal seems to be to build this team with high school recruits and that continues again with next year's recruits. This is not the answer a lot of people who are on this board are looking for because to do this means were at least looking at another year before we can look to move to upper half of the conference. I have to believe Chaves has had to sign off on this as well or Sather is putting himself at great risk with his job.  Even on women's side they are basically been doing the same thing only difference is they do have elite player in Borowicz and now number of senior players this year but there again they didn't replace starter that transferred but went with high school players to replace with for this year. I believe this is philosophy of athletic department and it comes from the AD and University President must have signed off on this as well or fully approves of this practice. We do need a win because these players are needing to get some confidence back. I wouldn't be surprised we see two-year extension of Sather's contract especially if we start to get a few wins before the season is over.

On the point guard piece, we did go after Kai Huntsberry and Themus Fulks and I think we thought we had a good chance at at least one of them but they ended up at North Texas and Louisiana, respectively. 

[GoodGood]

Kenpom ranking by year 

2020: 231 (Jones players)

2021: 272

2022: 348

2023: currently 325

Yes, let’s give this guy an extension… smh 

[SD UND]

12 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

It is the right thing to do. Actually, the only thing to do. He's a good guy. He deserves it. 

 

[jdub27]

58 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

Kenpom ranking by year 

2020: 231 (Jones players)

2019: 271 (Jones players and coaching)

Not sure what they point of continuing to point out what was on the team (or frankly not on the team) when Sather showed up?

Things have clearly went downhill from there. A combination of a bare cupboard, inability to reload, coaching decisions, transfer portal, VISA issues, Covid, etc, etc, etc. It obviously hasn't worked out anywhere near the way anyone would hope.

[jdub27]

28 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Hence why he shouldn't be given an extension nor why anyone (other than close relatives to Sather) should think that he deserves an extension. 

Who's arguing for an extension? 

[SD UND]

9 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Here is just a few from this thread. There have been plenty of other comments in other game day threads throughout this season. There are also a few users in this forum that will live and die by Sather so you know they are praying for an extension for him. 

“my gut tells me they give him a 1 or 2 year extension. I say this because what I've heard consistently all year.”

“Part of my reason for being hesitant on saying Sather needs to go is because of how many real good basketball minds respect him and think he was a hell of a hire for us. I know everyone has dealt with the portal and Covid and all that but it also feels like no one has had worse luck than Sather too. I guess I think some are afraid we are going to be letting go of an actual good coach too soon while others are convinced he’s the worst coach to step in the Betty.”

“Getting back to Sather job i have to believe AD is hoping he can turn this team around by end of year and he can extend his contract for couple years to see how this class of recruits' fairs.”

I don't think anyone is openly campaigning for him to get an extension right now... If anything people have voiced what they think Chaves is going to do. He extended Mallory after winning 1 or 2 games as the interim. He has shown a willingness to give coaches a long rope... maybe he does with Sather, maybe he doesn't.

No one is sitting here that thinks a 20-30% winning percentage is good enough, we all understand that.

 

You and a few others are campaigning for him to be fired right this instant, which is just not going to happen. 

 

Yes, results haven't materialized the way fans, coaches, players, administration, and alums want them to. 

Everyone is tired of hearing it, but it's the honest truth. This is a young team. They are trying to learn how to win conference games with vey inexperienced players. The experienced players have been bad this season, outside of Norman. AND they are arguably getting the absolute most out of Danielson that he can produce.

Seasons can turn around on a dime with a couple good wins... what if they get a good win tonight? What if they knock off ORU on Saturday in the Betty? That COULD happen! Are the odds great to sweep this weekend? No, but it's college sports and a momentum swing, and confidence swing could be huge! 

Coach Sather is a good coach, no one can tell me different. He  has proven that throughout his career, even if it wasn't at the almighty D1 level. He, undoubtedly has had a rough couple years at UND. I imagine he is taking that as hard as anyone, and he will take full responsibility. If anyone is exhausting any and all options to try and turn it would be him. 

I'm pulling for him and UND. If he gets fired at the end of the year because this trend continues, I see why that decision would be made. But your hopes and dreams of him being fired next Monday, are just not going to happen.

 

I'm also sorry for having a bit of positivity today. Felt good.

 

[SiouxHawkGuy]

[sioux24/7]

Extend him!

[UND-SPORTS-FAN]

11 hours ago, sioux24/7 said:

Extend him!

What are we thinking? 5 year 220k average with a team option year 2,3,4,5?

[UND-SPORTS-FAN]

Welp looks like we reverted back to the dumpster fire of a coaching staff. You had one goal of a team and as a coach that hangs his hat on defense my god you are a dumpster fire of a coach. Get rid of this bum!

[sioux24/7]

What would you say the odds are that Sather is the head coach come next year? I know what you guys want and I’ve obviously gone back and forth but what do you think will actually happen. 

[GoodGood]

5 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

What would you say the odds are that Sather is the head coach come next year? I know what you guys want and I’ve obviously gone back and forth but what do you think will actually happen. 

Can’t extend him. Can’t have a coach on a one year contract. I think it’s obvious what needs to be done. I would need to see an example of a coach turning it around after having a 3-24 stretch in conference play in years 3 and 4 or later in a program 

[sioux24/7]

3 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

Can’t extend him. Can’t have a coach on a one year contract. I think it’s obvious what needs to be done. I would need to see an example of a coach turning it around after having a 3-24 stretch in conference play in years 3 and 4 or later in a program 

It’s not nearly as bad % wise but Scott Drew went 12-52 his first four years at Baylor. 

[nodak651]

If UND moves on, I really hope UND announces more details about plans for the basketball facilities before they start the hiring process.  Would help to show potential applicants that this isn't a career ending job.  

[sioux24/7]

3 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Is that in just conference games? When I looked it up I saw him at a decent amount better than that. 36-69 overall record in first 4 years

Conference. That’s the 3-24 record that was thrown out there. Sather is actually 36-69 overall too lol although that may be a few games behind. Not sure. 

[sioux24/7]

4 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

If UND moves on, I really hope UND announces more details about plans for the basketball facilities before they start the hiring process.  Would help to show potential applicants that this isn't a career ending job.  

I think this is huge. Right now this will look like a dead end job unfortunately. 

[UND-SPORTS-FAN]

3 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

I think this is huge. Right now this will look like a dead end job unfortunately. 

The “dead end job” is such an over played narrative. This university and Ralph Engelstad Foundation won’t let that happen.. Chaves head should be on the block as well tho with his piss poor planning/ scheduling & booster backing. 

[sioux24/7]

2 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Yeah he’s 37-74 right now in 3.5 years at UND. 33.33% win rate in all games. If you take out the NAIA/D3 games it’s very low. Less than 25% against other D1 teams. Combine that with a 3-24 conference record the last two years I’m not sure how you could possibly justify extending him. It would make 0 sense. 

I’m not even trying to defend Sather. Was just pointing out a now successful head coach with a similar start at his current program although Scott Drew’s came with some different hurdles at Baylor at the time. 

[UND1983]

Need a better finalist pool next time.  Those three were not great.  

[sioux24/7]

6 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Need a better finalist pool next time.  Those three were not great.  

Better financial pool, better finalist pool. 

[NewUndFan]

If we are limited on money I say take a chance on a up and coming coach that's willing to take our money.   Either it works out and they leave in a few years or it doesn't and we look for another .  If that's all und is willing to put into its basketball program.   I hope we cough up some more money and get a winner