UND @ NDSU 11/19/2022

[Bison06]

  On 11/24/2022 at 12:02 AM, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

My grandson once told me, "If someone posts that they are not trolling, it almost certain that they're a troll."

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[JohnboyND7]

  On 11/24/2022 at 12:02 AM, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

My grandson once told me, "If someone posts that they are not trolling, it almost certain that they're a troll."

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Huh?

Shouldn't you be busy still trying to make "THE HAWKS NEST!!!!" catch on?

[F'n Hawks]

Not every post from the Bison guys on here is trolling. Sometimes they do, but there are times they are adding to the discussion.

[shep]

  On 11/23/2022 at 11:40 PM, geaux_sioux said:

I’ve been dreaming of switching to a 4-3 for years now, especially because I don’t agree with the body types our staff employs in our system.

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It would require a very different recruiting philosophy. Is it easier to get LB's here or DL's? Looking at our roster, I'd say the LB's are better than the DL's. Naturally that's out of necessity for the 3-4, but can UND get those hogs on the D?

[Sioux>Bison]

  On 11/23/2022 at 4:29 PM, Bison06 said:

Ok now I remember this play. Call me a homer here, but I see this as the DB not thinking Maag was down, which it appears he actually wasn’t. Maag reacted as a player who wasn’t giving himself up when he popped up, the DB interpreted him popping up as him trying to continue running and finished the tackle. I don’t see any issue here.

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If anything to complain about was that the official blew the play down even though Maag wasn’t down. Not sure if the tackle was after the whistle or not so not going to complain about it.

[geaux_sioux]

  On 11/24/2022 at 2:54 AM, shep said:

It would require a very different recruiting philosophy. Is it easier to get LB's here or DL's? Looking at our roster, I'd say the LB's are better than the DL's. Naturally that's out of necessity for the 3-4, but can UND get those hogs on the D?

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Look at our regional piers, they have no problem finding DL bodies for their 4-3. 

[UND1983]

  On 11/24/2022 at 2:54 AM, shep said:

It would require a very different recruiting philosophy. Is it easier to get LB's here or DL's? Looking at our roster, I'd say the LB's are better than the DL's. Naturally that's out of necessity for the 3-4, but can UND get those hogs on the D?

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Our LB are not better than our DL

[Midwestern Hawk]

  On 11/23/2022 at 11:26 PM, shep said:

Kelly talks of reevaluating everything as Roger Thomas did years ago. Player body types, how to recruit and Matt wondered if 4-3 should be considered.

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Its always great to be reviewing, evaluating and adapting with everything in life, especially football, but watch the NDSU game again, then watch 2021.  Body type, and base alignment has very little to do with why we are not prevailing against NDSU and SDSU. In fact I think the same case can be made for the spring 2021 game too.  In the last 6 games against the two best teams in FCS during that time period, we are 1-5 and very easily could be 3-3.  IMO it has far more to do with preparation, game planning and in-game coaching and adjustments.  It's the same reason we escape with a close win against an inferior opponent or last years melt-down at Missouri State.  Before you get all bent out of shape think about what I am saying and watch the film again.  Film doesn't lie.

[shep]

  On 11/24/2022 at 3:06 AM, geaux_sioux said:

Look at our regional piers, they have no problem finding DL bodies for their 4-3. 

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But that's the issue, the peers get them, UND doesn't. It can't be for lack of trying, right?

[Midwestern Hawk]

  On 11/24/2022 at 1:55 PM, shep said:

But that's the issue, the peers get them, UND doesn't. It can't be for lack of trying, right?

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Get them?  Get who?  Don’t  they develop them. Who are all the giant NFL bound DL playing at the SU’s?   

[Midwestern Hawk]

  On 11/23/2022 at 3:18 PM, GoHawks said:

Bubba always says in his weekly press conferences "I feel like we are doing a good job with our preparation for this weeks opponent" (says the same thing almost every week) then comes Saturday and you wonder what they did all week long in practice?? Going to be a same s#$% different game I'm afraid. Offense will do what they do and the defense will s#$% the bed. Worst defense under bubba!

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NDSU has scored on its first run in the Spring 2021 game and its second run last Saturday.  We need to stop with "we are prepared BS".  Bison coaches obviously saw something in film they could exploit in both cases and executed.  I guess we could just say they got "LUCKY".  Set the tone in both games.

[geaux_sioux]

  On 11/24/2022 at 1:55 PM, shep said:

But that's the issue, the peers get them, UND doesn't. It can't be for lack of trying, right?

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They’re all over the Midwest. Plenty to go around.

[shep]

  On 11/24/2022 at 2:13 PM, Midwestern Hawk said:

NDSU has scored on its first run in the Spring 2021 game and its second run last Saturday.  We need to stop with "we are prepared BS".  Bison coaches obviously saw something in film they could exploit in both cases and executed.  I guess we could just say they got "LUCKY".  Set the tone in both games.

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Or they knew their corn-fed hogs would blast our DL/LBs

[UND1983]

  On 11/24/2022 at 1:55 PM, Midwestern Hawk said:

Its always great to be reviewing, evaluating and adapting with everything in life, especially football, but watch the NDSU game again, then watch 2021.  Body type, and base alignment has very little to do with why we are not prevailing against NDSU and SDSU. In fact I think the same case can be made for the spring 2021 game too.  In the last 6 games against the two best teams in FCS during that time period, we are 1-5 and very easily could be 3-3.  IMO it has far more to do with preparation, game planning and in-game coaching and adjustments.  It's the same reason we escape with a close win against an inferior opponent or last years melt-down at Missouri State.  Before you get all bent out of shape think about what I am saying and watch the film again.  Film doesn't lie.

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Talent and speed makes up for alot of issues that may arise during a play/game

[geaux_sioux]

  On 11/24/2022 at 2:31 PM, UND1983 said:

Talent and speed makes up for alot of issues that may arise during a play/game

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It’s all about the jimmy’s and joes

[Midwestern Hawk]

  On 11/24/2022 at 2:30 PM, shep said:

Or they knew their corn-fed hogs would blast our DL/LBs

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Watch the Spring game. They pull guards AWAY from the run.  Had nothing to do with size/speed/talent and everything to do with preparation.  Here is the second run of game.  Notice the formation and how they got our D to line up.

[Midwestern Hawk]

  On 11/24/2022 at 2:39 PM, geaux_sioux said:

It’s all about the jimmy’s and joes

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Jimmy's and Joe are certainly important but when it comes to football X and O's reign supreme.  Examples of this at every level of football.

[iramurphy]

SDSU Defensive participation against us:

DL:

6’3” 250lbs , 6’4”245lbs, 6’4” 280lbs and 6’1” 270lbs  

LB:

5’9” 200lbs, 6’1” 200lbs, 6’215lbs  

Our players are big enough  I did similar comparison earlier with NDSU size on OL and DL  “It ain’t this size of the dog in the fight it’s the size of the fight in the dog”. 
We can’t seem to stay focused on the topic  The fact is if you look at film you can’t tell why we made good plays or why we failed  So much of what is pontificated is nonsense.  Some of you have no answer except fire all of the coaches  Everything is their fault. It isn’t. It’s their  responsibility  Some think we aren’t big enough but comparing ht and wt from team rosters doesn’t bear that out.  This thread should be focused on the next game and Weber State.  If we play up to our full capabilities we can win this  We can’t miss assignments, we can’t miss tackles, we can’t have stupid penalties, we have to cover punts  and KO’s and all 11 guys need to do their job every play all day long  If we do that we can win  It doesn’t matter what the program says about ht and wt  The program doesn’t list heart and desire.  Go Hawks  

 

[UND1983]

If you guys couldn't see we are too slow and weak on defense vs the top teams then this board is helpless.  

[Midwestern Hawk]

  On 11/24/2022 at 3:01 PM, UND1983 said:

If you guys couldn't see we are too slow and weak on defense vs the top teams then this board is helpless.  

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Every team has strengths and weaknesses.  The job of the coach is to make the sum of the parts greater than those parts individually and to use his strengths to exploit the opponents weaknesses.  Don't forget in the last 2 calendar years we beat SDSU in the spring, had a chance at the end of the game last fall and made the worst coaching decision in the history of UND football early in the third qtr or would have beaten NDSU last fall.  

[Midwestern Hawk]

  On 11/24/2022 at 2:57 PM, iramurphy said:

SDSU Defensive participation against us:

DL:

6’3” 250lbs , 6’4”245lbs, 6’4” 280lbs and 6’1” 270lbs  

LB:

5’9” 200lbs, 6’1” 200lbs, 6’215lbs  

Our players are big enough  I did similar comparison earlier with NDSU size on OL and DL  “It ain’t this size of the dog in the fight it’s the size of the fight in the dog”. 
We can’t seem to stay focused on the topic  The fact is if you look at film you can’t tell why we made good plays or why we failed  So much of what is pontificated is nonsense.  Some of you have no answer except fire all of the coaches  Everything is their fault  it isn’t  it’s heir responsibility  Some think we aren’t big enough but comparing ht and wt from team rosters doesn’t bear that out.  This thread should be focused on the next game and Weber State.  If we play up to our full capabilities we can win this  We can’t miss assignments, we can’t miss tackles, we can’t have stupid penalties, we have to cover pints and KO’s and all 11 guys need to do their job every play all day long  If we do that we can win  It doesn’t matter what the program says about ht and wt  The program doesn’t list heart and desire.  Go Hawks  

 

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True every single week the last 3 seasons at least.  Let's roll Weber.

[UND1983]

  On 11/24/2022 at 3:07 PM, Midwestern Hawk said:

Every team has strengths and weaknesses.  The job of the coach is to make the sum of the parts greater than those parts individually and to use his strengths to exploit the opponents weaknesses.  Don't forget in the last 2 calendar years we beat SDSU in the spring, had a chance at the end of the game last fall and made the worst coaching decision in the history of UND football early in the third qtr or would have beaten NDSU last fall.  

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I am living in 2022.  Read what I wrote. 

[Midwestern Hawk]

  On 11/24/2022 at 3:19 PM, UND1983 said:

I am living in 2022.  Read what I wrote. 

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I don't disagree, but that is always the case at certain positions and is the case with the guys to our south too.  Did you notice when we got burned on the long pass last weekend when we had NDSU backed up, our "slow" secondary members ran down the SU receiver like he was chained to a post?  Much more going on.  Watch that play.  They are in trips and we have one high safety and man? underneath?  The FS makes a move towards the one receiver side for some reason and Kaupinen lets the WR run right by him.

[geaux_sioux]

I know most of you aren’t a fan of Mauch and his antics but I think he’s a top tier troll and I respect it because his play more than backs it up.

 

[geaux_sioux]

  On 11/24/2022 at 2:57 PM, iramurphy said:

SDSU Defensive participation against us:

DL:

6’3” 250lbs , 6’4”245lbs, 6’4” 280lbs and 6’1” 270lbs  

LB:

5’9” 200lbs, 6’1” 200lbs, 6’215lbs  

Our players are big enough  I did similar comparison earlier with NDSU size on OL and DL  “It ain’t this size of the dog in the fight it’s the size of the fight in the dog”. 
We can’t seem to stay focused on the topic  The fact is if you look at film you can’t tell why we made good plays or why we failed  So much of what is pontificated is nonsense.  Some of you have no answer except fire all of the coaches  Everything is their fault. It isn’t. It’s their  responsibility  Some think we aren’t big enough but comparing ht and wt from team rosters doesn’t bear that out.  This thread should be focused on the next game and Weber State.  If we play up to our full capabilities we can win this  We can’t miss assignments, we can’t miss tackles, we can’t have stupid penalties, we have to cover punts  and KO’s and all 11 guys need to do their job every play all day long  If we do that we can win  It doesn’t matter what the program says about ht and wt  The program doesn’t list heart and desire.  Go Hawks  

 

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Then why do they look bigger? Roster lists are one thing. Reality is another.

This also highlights why I’m a proponent of a 4-3, you can better get away with smallish fast LBs since there is another big body in front of them to eat blocks.