Jerseys

[tnt]

2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I'm going with "Yes".

Not prominent enough.  Isn't that the argument when UND has the patches on the hockey jerseys?

[SiouxHawkGuy]

5 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I'm going with "Yes".

I also see the logo on the helmets 

[The Sicatoka]

5 minutes ago, tnt said:

Not prominent enough.  

You're right.

Instead of down the leg and across the chest it should also be on the white piece on the mask top bar (says Riddell on Tommy's helmet) and on the back of the helmet neck protect pad too. Wait, they have that last one. 

The logo as a shoulder patch would be a nice touch. 

[The Sicatoka]

24 minutes ago, tnt said:

Do the other sports have jerseys with the nickname on them?  

You asked. I gave an example: football has a jersey, and pants. And they use the logo extensively. 

Please now show me the hockey jersey with the words "Fighting Hawks". 

[nodak651]

2 hours ago, Langster019 said:

I see Nike coming back to hockey. Although, DU has New Balance, which is just a very random hockey supplier. One I would’ve never guessed. The team gear makes sense. But jerseys is just different. 
 

AHL still uses CCM, but UND moved to adidas from CCM. Time will tell. 

UND still has a hard goods contract with CCM (skates, pads, sticks, etc).  For hockey Addidas is just jerseys pretty much.  

[tnt]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

You asked. I gave an example: football has a jersey, and pants. And they use the logo extensively. 

Please now show me the hockey jersey with the words "Fighting Hawks". 

Show me football jerseys when the nickname was Sioux that extensively used Fighting Sioux and the logo?  Not saying they didn't use them at one time, but I don't recall them being a huge part of the uniforms, especially in the last decade or so of the nickname. 

[streetsahead]

speaking of NODAK trademark.....https://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/columns/port-und-doesnt-own-the-trademark-for-hugely-popular-nodak-jerseys-but-the-hockey-coachs-daughter-does

[The Sicatoka]

36 minutes ago, streetsahead said:

speaking of NODAK trademark.....https://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/columns/port-und-doesnt-own-the-trademark-for-hugely-popular-nodak-jerseys-but-the-hockey-coachs-daughter-does

How about we move this conversation to its own thread. 

https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/34427-the-nodak-trademark/#comment-1274159

 

[Frozen4sioux]

4 hours ago, Langster019 said:

I see Nike coming back to hockey. Although, DU has New Balance, which is just a very random hockey supplier. One I would’ve never guessed. The team gear makes sense. But jerseys is just different. 
 

AHL still uses CCM, but UND moved to adidas from CCM. Time will tell. 

 

2 hours ago, nodak651 said:

UND still has a hard goods contract with CCM (skates, pads, sticks, etc).  For hockey Addidas is just jerseys pretty much.  

CCM is Adidas

Adidas is CCM

 

Not sure who the new supplier for NHL will be but look to Underarmour as well as a possibility 

 

 

[iluvdebbies]

10 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

 

CCM is Adidas

Adidas is CCM

 

Not sure who the new supplier for NHL will be but look to Underarmour as well as a possibility 

 

 

Adidas sold CCM in 2017.

[The Sicatoka]

7 minutes ago, iluvdebbies said:

Adidas sold CCM in 2017.

Kinda a detail that matters. 

[Frozen4sioux]

11 minutes ago, iluvdebbies said:

Adidas sold CCM in 2017.

 

3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Kinda a detail that matters. 

yes those details... they do matter.

 

according to Josh Kosman of the N.Y. POST. Despite a potential sale, Adidas will be "keeping the CCM apparel license, not transferring it to the new CCM owner." A source said that starting with the '17-18 season, Adidas will "get rid of the CCM name on NHL apparel, replacing it with Adidas." However, the source added that CCM will "still be seen on NHL helmets and sticks." Kosman notes presently, CCM is the "official licensee for the NHL throwback jerseys, and many team sweatshirts and T-shirts" (N.Y. POST, 3/16).

[The Sicatoka]

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The company (CCM) is currently owned by Canadian private "Birch Hill Equity Partners", after the Adidas Group sold the brand for around $100 million in 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCM_(ice_hockey) 

Today Adidas and CCM are separate organizations. 

[Frozen4sioux]

Just now, The Sicatoka said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCM_(ice_hockey) 

Today Adidas and CCM are separate organizations. 

My gawd read for understanding...

It seems this is a difficult concept for you.

"Despite a potential sale, Adidas will be "keeping the CCM apparel license, not transferring it to the new CCM owner."

[The Sicatoka]

Just now, Frozen4sioux said:

My gawd read for understanding...

It seems this is a difficult concept for you.

"Despite a potential sale, Adidas will be "keeping the CCM apparel license, not transferring it to the new CCM owner."

Your article is pre-sale and speculating on the sale details. 
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2017/03/16/Marketing-and-Sponsorship/CCM-Adidas.aspx 

And I notice you left out this detail from your own article:

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Adidas is "killing the CCM apparel brand" even as the company is "selling its CCM hockey brand as it continues to move away from the sports hard-goods space,"

 

[Frozen4sioux]

4 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Your article is pre-sale and speculating on the sale details. 
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2017/03/16/Marketing-and-Sponsorship/CCM-Adidas.aspx 

And I notice you left out this detail from your own article:

 

Uffda.... Since the sale...

Adidas HAS BEEN the branding on Athletic appeal in the hockey sector.

Why... because...

Despite a potential sale, Adidas will be "keeping the CCM apparel license not, transferring it to the new CCM owner."

As "speculated"... man this is tough to comprehend why this is difficult for you..... Adidas removed the CCM labeling from the hockey apparel and applied the Adidas wordmark.... they however still holf and maintain the particular licence

 

I mean I'd doubt crayons would help at this point...

If only there was some way to have a visual proof of this.... maybe on EVERY NHL sweater currently used.

Maybe even something closer to home... more sinister in your eyes?

Now... moving forward...

Adidas is exiting the hockey apperal sector... NO indication they are selling the "CCM apparel license" just no longer using it...

 

Hence... .

UND will be contracting with a new provider for future jerseys.

 

 

 

 

Your lack of understand is key to sooooooo much else right now.

[The Sicatoka]

10 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

UND will be contracting with a new provider for future jerseys.

Um ... I said that a while back ... 

 

19 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

If I were a bettin' man, ... 

Adidas is done with NHL jerseys after 2023-24. (New NHL vendor for 2024-25.) 
Last time the NHL changed suppliers one year later UND changed to the same supplier. 

I'd guess UND goes to the new NHL vendor in about 2025-26. 

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/adidas-inks-seven-year-university-of-north-dakota-deal/ 

My provide guess may be wrong, but it will be a new vendor. 

You seem to know so much; do educate us on the master plan. 

[Frozen4sioux]

2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Um ... I said that a while back ... 

 

My provide guess may be wrong, but it will be a new vendor. 

You seem to know so much; do educate us on the master plan. 

Christ alive this isn't difficult there is no sinister evil plan... here or anywhere else

Adidas isn't interested in the hockey apparel market at this time, they will continue to hold an asset.... to be continued.

Hense as it relates to this thread and information.. whennit comes to hockey jerseys...

CCM is Adidas

Adidas is CCM

[Langster019]

And a left. And a right. And another counter. 
 

you guys ok?

[ChrisUND1]

4 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

You're right.

Instead of down the leg and across the chest it should also be on the white piece on the mask top bar (says Riddell on Tommy's helmet) and on the back of the helmet neck protect pad too. Wait, they have that last one. 

The logo as a shoulder patch would be a nice touch. 

As others have alluded to, the nature of football and basketball jerseys with the large numbers on front and back don’t allow for a large logo.  Those programs are displaying the Hawk name and logo as prominently as they can, save for going all out using the modifications above.
 

Hockey jerseys are perfect for a big logo on the front middle, something I admit the current rectangular logo isn’t good for.  I hope a new logo is designed and the current one becomes the secondary shoulder pad/helmet logo.   That said, the opportunity for a diagonal HAWKS script on a hockey jersey instead of NODAK looks real good right about now.   The hockey program had a chance to ease in with something like this but chose not to, which is no surprise. 

[The Sicatoka]

2 minutes ago, ChrisUND1 said:

Hockey jerseys are perfect for a big logo on the front middle, something I admit the current rectangular logo isn’t good for.  I hope a new logo is designed and the current one becomes the secondary shoulder pad/helmet logo.  

Agree. Somewhere around here from the start I said the current primary is better served as a secondary logo. 

 

[The Sicatoka]

3 minutes ago, ChrisUND1 said:

That said, the opportunity for a diagonal HAWKS script on a hockey jersey instead of NODAK looks real good right about now.   The hockey program had a chance to ease in with something like this but chose not to, which is no surprise. 

Berry's choice during voting was ... well, look at the front of the Vegas black jerseys. 

[nodak651]

5 hours ago, nodak651 said:

UND still has a hard goods contract with CCM (skates, pads, sticks, etc).  For hockey Addidas is just jerseys pretty much.  

2 hours ago, Frozen4sioux said:

CCM is Adidas
Adidas is CCM
Not sure who the new supplier for NHL will be but look to Underarmour as well as a possibility 

What I said isn't wrong.  UND has two contracts, one with Adidas for apparel and shoes/cleats, and a second with CCM for hard goods, where UND wears exclusively CCM helmets, masks, gloves, and shin/elbow/shoulder pads.  UND also gets a a deal on skates and sticks from CCM, but CCM doesn't have exclusivity with those two items (e.g. players can use Bauer sticks or skates if they prefer).  Both contracts expire after the 2024-2025 season, but UND has two options to renew the contract for an additional year (two total years) with the existing terms, so the CCM deal could run until the end of the 2026-27 season.

Not sure if you mentioned it or someone else, but I don't really see how the NHL jersey supplier is relevant or has any impact on who UND selects for the school-wide apparel deal, because other than for a different corporate patch on their jersey,  it doesn't really affect hockey players since jerseys are all pretty much the same quality no matter who is manufacturing it.  

[Frozen4sioux]

18 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

What I said isn't wrong.  UND has two contracts, one with Adidas for apparel and shoes/cleats, and a second with CCM for hard goods, where UND wears exclusively CCM helmets, masks, gloves, and shin/elbow/shoulder pads.  UND also gets a a deal on skates and sticks from CCM, but CCM doesn't have exclusivity with those two items (e.g. players can use Bauer sticks or skates if they prefer).  Both contracts expire after the 2024-2025 season, but UND has two options to renew the contract for an additional year (two total years) with the existing terms, so the CCM deal could run until the end of the 2026-27 season.

Not sure if you mentioned it or someone else, but I don't really see how the NHL jersey supplier is relevant or has any impact on who UND selects for the school-wide apparel deal, because other than for a different corporate patch on their jersey,  it doesn't really affect hockey players since jerseys are all pretty much the same quality no matter who is manufacturing it.  

Was not referencing your post.

You are 100% absolutely correct.

The NHL jersey info was to point out a different corporate labeling and licensing to him.

 

CCM.. Adidas.... just owned branding on aparel.. (i.e. hockey jersey)

CCM equipment is a brand now owned by a Canadian holding company

CCM aparel branding which was retained and relabeled Adidas ... as you correctly point out, has nothing to do with who manufacturers the sweater.

That's likely sourced out to  a Canadian manufacturing company.

[MafiaMan]

7 hours ago, tnt said:

Not prominent enough.  Isn't that the argument when UND has the patches on the hockey jerseys?

Nice try.  How many NFL and college football jerseys have the school primary logo front and center on the chest of the jersey?  The short answer is “none,” because there’s a number there.  It’s on the UND helmet because that’s where the primarily logo is typically placed for a football team.