joelax Posted June 23, 2019 Posted June 23, 2019 And by attached, I meant I'll naturally forget and put it here. It lacks the Adidas part and is below vs. above, but the stitched in part seems comparable. I am by no means an expert on identifying counterfeits. Quote
Langster019 Posted June 23, 2019 Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 8:28 PM, joelax said: And by attached, I meant I'll naturally forget and put it here. It lacks the Adidas part and is below vs. above, but the stitched in part seems comparable. I am by no means an expert on identifying counterfeits. Expand When it comes to Adidas, they certainly have their quirks you can find differences in. A lot of what I can tell is those weird dots on the shoulders, otherwise, lettering, but with it blank, that's tough. Here's to hoping it's legit. Any communication from the seller as to how they acquired it? Quote
joelax Posted June 23, 2019 Posted June 23, 2019 No, I didn't ask. I suppose I could. I think I decided that it was probably a promo type thing based on the fact that they have a lot of Adidas and Mitchell & Ness (previously owned by Adidas) stuff that all seemed to be from a legitimate (possible overstock) type of line. I've seen a fair amount of other retailers getting these promotional type items, at least in more niche sports, like say lacrosse. You'll see some lacrosse stores get say an Under Armour lacrosse glove for Maryland, but their regular glove might be a different model. So it's a legitimate model, but necessarily what the team is wearing. It's a bit different with lacrosse as you won't see too many lacrosse jerseys for sale, so it's not quite an apples-to-apples comparison. I do recall seeing some Under Armour gear for University of Minnesota Duluth that looked very close to the stuff worn on the ice, but was slightly different. I'm not sure if promotional is the right word, but it's kind of like Under Armour creating a range of legitimate stuff for their teams, but only some of which will be mass produced/chosen by the school/team. Here is the seller's store: https://www.ebay.com/sch/setays13/m.html?item=183853365382&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 I'll shoot them a message to see if they'd give me a straight answer. Quote
joelax Posted June 23, 2019 Posted June 23, 2019 Oh, and btw, they also have a youth version of the jersey in black for sale: https://www.ebay.com/itm/North-Dakota-Fighting-Hawks-Youth-Hockey-Jersey-Adidas/173938674595?hash=item287f8d8ba3:g:kS0AAOSwvrddCnC0 Quote
Siouxperfan7 Posted June 23, 2019 Posted June 23, 2019 Put the new logo on the front. Or “Hawks” on the front. Or both. What are they worried is going to happen? People will instantly stop following the program and stop going to games? The pandering by those at UND and the REA to make sure they don’t offend the Sioux Forever crowd is beyond pathetic. 1 1 2 Quote
Prison_Mike Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 10:19 PM, Siouxperfan7 said: Put the new logo on the front. Or “Hawks” on the front. Or both. What are they worried is going to happen? People will instantly stop following the program and stop going to games? The pandering by those at UND and the REA to make sure they don’t offend the Sioux Forever crowd is beyond pathetic. Expand When they get a hawk logo that actually looks good, I would be all for it. The current logo seems like a secondary logo, like this NDSU one. It is fine on the shoulder but would look like s*** on the front of a jersey. The interlocking ND would also look like s*** on the front of a jersey. Quote
darell1976 Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 12:19 AM, Prison_Mike said: When they get a hawk logo that actually looks good, I would be all for it. The current logo seems like a secondary logo, like this NDSU one. It is fine on the shoulder but would look like s*** on the front of a jersey. The interlocking ND would also look like s*** on the front of a jersey. Expand https://www.fanatics.com/ndsu-bison-colosseum-hockey-jersey-green-/p-13593756495408+z-9071-1984027501 Quote
joelax Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 so I messaged the seller: "Hi, Thanks so much for the jersey. I am really happy with it. I did have a question though. I know that the University of North Dakota is switching to Adidas for this year for ice hockey and none of the jerseys have yet been released (as far as I know). Do you work or sell Adidas products? was this a mockup created by Adidas for a potential North Dakota jersey? I was talking to my friend who is anxiously awaiting to see what the on-ice versions are going to look like next year. Thought you might know!Thanks so much!-Joe" His lengthy response: "Glad your happy with it! Sent from my iPhone" I tried another response. We'll see what he says: "Hi again, Yeah, it's great. Do you know the story for the jersey? Is this what Adidas is going to be making this year for the team or was this a concept piece as North Dakota transitions to Adidas? Thanks. -Joe" So I'm not sure how I feel about his response. I still think he's probably in the distribution line for Adidas or something and this was likely a concept piece that Adidas made for UND. OR he's a counterfeiter of Adidas stuff and doesn't want to admit to it? But he's got a lot of Arizona State and other Adidas items such as t-shirts, which I'm not sure are counterfeited like jerseys. I would guess that the margins are too slim on items like t-shirts to make it worthwhile to counterfeiters. Quote
southpaw Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 As an adidas employee, the tagging is consistent with products made as a trial jersey. Likely, part of the recent "sample sale" held at the main offices throughout the world. That means he probably paid $10 for it and that it is high enough quality to be seen in public but not what is actually selected by the school. Should be 2-3 more unapproved designs floating around the US somewhere. 1 Quote
MafiaMan Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 6:52 AM, southpaw said: As an adidas employee, the tagging is consistent with products made as a trial jersey. Likely, part of the recent "sample sale" held at the main offices throughout the world. That means he probably paid $10 for it and that it is high enough quality to be seen in public but not what is actually selected by the school. Should be 2-3 more unapproved designs floating around the US somewhere. Expand Hopefully someone in Grand Forks doesn't buy the version with the full hawk logo on the front -- he or she is likely to be tarred and feathered outside of REA if they're seen wearing it inside the rink. Quote
joelax Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 6:52 AM, southpaw said: As an adidas employee, the tagging is consistent with products made as a trial jersey. Likely, part of the recent "sample sale" held at the main offices throughout the world. That means he probably paid $10 for it and that it is high enough quality to be seen in public but not what is actually selected by the school. Should be 2-3 more unapproved designs floating around the US somewhere. Expand Thanks! so is this how a lot of this type of stuff winds up on eBay? you'll see the same sellers have a bunch of the same brand of stuff - be it Nike, Under Armour, Adidas, etc. Quote
MafiaMan Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 4:24 PM, joelax said: Thanks! so is this how a lot of this type of stuff winds up on eBay? you'll see the same sellers have a bunch of the same brand of stuff - be it Nike, Under Armour, Adidas, etc. Expand Just be wary should the seller be shipping the item from China, Indonesia, Vietnam, etc. 1 Quote
joelax Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 4:25 PM, MafiaMan said: Just be wary should the seller be shipping the item from China, Indonesia, Vietnam, etc. Expand Thanks. If I've learned nothing else from this forum, it's definitely been that! I mentioned it above, but I typically vet the sellers by if their feedback and/or what else they've sold. It seems like the people selling counterfeit jerseys are primarily doing jerseys. Whereas other guys like this seem to be selling stuff that were legitimately made by the brand for a school. But @southpaw was able to give me a name for it "trial jersey" and "sample sale". So these items are sort of in that gray area in between. Quote
MafiaMan Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 4:28 PM, joelax said: But @southpaw was able to give me a name for it "trial jersey" and "sample sale". So these items are sort of in that gray area in between. Expand Well, I'm no @southpaw , but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. It's a sales pitch to the school and/or team and they'd best be prepared to have some actual samples of jerseys rather than drawings. I believe he's correct in saying that this is a 'rejected' design. It's pretty cool, but I'm glad that it wasn't chosen as THE actual jersey. 2 Quote
Frozen4sioux Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 3:17 PM, MafiaMan said: Hopefully someone in Grand Forks doesn't buy the version with the full hawk logo on the front -- he or she is likely to be tarred and feathered outside of REA if they're seen wearing it inside the rink. Expand Thought maybe stale diet coke and cotton candy would be more fitting. My tar pot is so heavy to tote around. Quote
MafiaMan Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 5:15 PM, Frozen4sioux said: Thought maybe stale diet coke and cotton candy would be more fitting. Expand Heaven knows there's plenty of that at REA... 1 Quote
streetsahead Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 3:17 PM, MafiaMan said: Hopefully someone in Grand Forks doesn't buy the version with the full hawk logo on the front -- he or she is likely to be tarred and feathered outside of REA if they're seen wearing it inside the rink. Expand I think that already happened: 2 Quote
joelax Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 3:44 AM, joelax said: so I messaged the seller: "Hi, Thanks so much for the jersey. I am really happy with it. I did have a question though. I know that the University of North Dakota is switching to Adidas for this year for ice hockey and none of the jerseys have yet been released (as far as I know). Do you work or sell Adidas products? was this a mockup created by Adidas for a potential North Dakota jersey? I was talking to my friend who is anxiously awaiting to see what the on-ice versions are going to look like next year. Thought you might know!Thanks so much!-Joe" His lengthy response: "Glad your happy with it! Sent from my iPhone" I tried another response. We'll see what he says: "Hi again, Yeah, it's great. Do you know the story for the jersey? Is this what Adidas is going to be making this year for the team or was this a concept piece as North Dakota transitions to Adidas? Thanks. -Joe" So I'm not sure how I feel about his response. I still think he's probably in the distribution line for Adidas or something and this was likely a concept piece that Adidas made for UND. OR he's a counterfeiter of Adidas stuff and doesn't want to admit to it? But he's got a lot of Arizona State and other Adidas items such as t-shirts, which I'm not sure are counterfeited like jerseys. I would guess that the margins are too slim on items like t-shirts to make it worthwhile to counterfeiters. Expand FYI, the last response to this was: " I don’t really know. It’s for fall 2019 that’s all I have. Sent from my iPhone" Presumably as mentioned, this person probably bought straight from Adidas and it was some sort of sample/trial. Happy enough for $45. We'll see what the actual jerseys look like eventually I guess. 1 Quote
FGHTNSX Hawkey14 Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F202723674662 Is it legit? Seriously interested but I need a second opinion Edit: the k1 logo on the Jersey is an old one. Most of that style of Jersey for sale are from later, but k1 used that logo at least up until 2004 Quote
Siouxperfan7 Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/4/2019 at 10:43 PM, FGHTNSX Hawkey14 said: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F202723674662 Is it legit? Seriously interested but I need a second opinion Edit: the k1 logo on the Jersey is an old one. Most of that style of Jersey for sale are from later, but k1 used that logo at least up until 2004 Expand Logo looks way too small. I say fake. Quote
FGHTNSX Hawkey14 Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/5/2019 at 4:04 AM, Siouxperfan7 said: Logo looks way too small. I say fake. Expand Good point but it's on a very large jersey. Not sure if they have different Crest sizes for different jersey sizes. (Also an old jersey). @MafiaMan, any thoughts? Quote
crb1 Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/5/2019 at 4:06 AM, FGHTNSX Hawkey14 said: Good point but it's on a very large jersey. Not sure if they have different Crest sizes for different jersey sizes. (Also an old jersey). @MafiaMan, any thoughts? Expand We have a 2Xl K1 jersey and that logo looks way smaller. I would be cautious. Quote
FGHTNSX Hawkey14 Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/5/2019 at 9:24 AM, crb1 said: We have a 2Xl K1 jersey and that logo looks way smaller. I would be cautious. Expand Do you have pictures of the jersey? Which version of the k1 logo does it have? Quote
ArchyAlum11 Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/5/2019 at 1:37 PM, FGHTNSX Hawkey14 said: Do you have pictures of the jersey? Which version of the k1 logo does it have? Expand Quote
MafiaMan Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/5/2019 at 4:06 AM, FGHTNSX Hawkey14 said: Good point but it's on a very large jersey. Not sure if they have different Crest sizes for different jersey sizes. (Also an old jersey). @MafiaMan, any thoughts? Expand They do not have larger crest sizes for larger jerseys any more than they have larger number kits or different-sized lettering on nameplates. I gave this a good once-over and am 99% certain that this item is an “authentic” K1 replica. 1 Quote
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