Kermit's Luck Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, MafiaMan said: Were he a Democrat, Richard Grenell would be a hero to the LGBTQ+ community. As a Republican, however, well, you know... I think it's cool that he's the first LGBTQ person to hold a Cabinet position. However, he's completely unqualified for the position. Under previous Democratic administrations, those appointments were taken seriously and weren't just given out to yes-men with no experience. This does follow a pattern of you making declarative "what-if" statements and you forwarding the discussion based on your view of what might happen under a theoretical scenario of mostly bullcrap. Doesn't add much to the actual discussion, but then again - considering this dicscussion, what actually does add to it and why does anyone bother? Mad props to Keikla and a few others for actually providing rational and even-keeled discussion. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxBoys Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Kermit's Luck said: I think it's cool that he's the first LGBTQ person to hold a Cabinet position. However, he's completely unqualified for the position. Under previous Democratic administrations, those appointments were taken seriously and weren't just given out to yes-men with no experience. This does follow a pattern of you making declarative "what-if" statements and you forwarding the discussion based on your view of what might happen under a theoretical scenario of mostly bullcrap. Doesn't add much to the actual discussion, but then again - considering this dicscussion, what actually does add to it and why does anyone bother? Mad props to Keikla and a few others for actually providing rational and even-keeled discussion. Cheers. LOL. You come on here complaining about Richard Grenell and then accuse others of not adding anything to the discussion. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MafiaMan Posted March 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Kermit's Luck said: I think it's cool that he's the first LGBTQ person to hold a Cabinet position. However, he's completely unqualified for the position. Under previous Democratic administrations, those appointments were taken seriously and weren't just given out to yes-men with no experience. I have Obama’s “wingman” Eric Holder and Susan “IT WAS A YOUTUBE VIDEO!” Rice holding for you on lines 1 and 2, respectively... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, BusinessSiouxt said: Shhhhhhhhhhh tfu https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDlaw80 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Siouxphan27 said: I agree, it's always a circus atmosphere. And his narcissism makes everyone cringe. Most grown adults also realize the media inaccurately reports on this administration constantly in an effort to make him look bad. If a bunch of jackasses twisted my words in the midst of a worldwide pandemic, still writing columns 19 days after misrepresenting a statement I made by claiming I called it a hoax and wasn't doing a damn thing about it, I would tell them to pound sand, too. So would you. Btw I've asked this about 4 times in this thread but no one ever answers it; When you claim all presidents have to deal with this type of back and forth, can you point me to any links where the main stream media was calling out Obama before, during, or after over 12000 Americans died of the swine flu? Did anyone/everyone falsely claim he called it a hoax? 26 minutes ago, dynato said: Here is Obama speaking on the criticism that goes with the job of being president. Much of the first minute can be applied to every presidency, especially Trump. There is Trump the person and Trump the Symbol of the presidency. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HO-9AZjflY&feature=emb_title Here are some articles demonstrating criticism and challenging Obama's handling of the swine flu, lack of vaccines, improper response, and growing negative media coverage. These are hard to find since it was almost a decade ago. The closest thing I could find to Obama calling swine flu a hoax was he first used the argument that the traditional flu is much more deadly as a reason for the public not to be concerned and ignore the issue. A few months later he then declared a national emergency. Sounds similar to todays news. https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/deconstructing-the-swine-flu-causes-for-concern-and-calm https://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/us/politics/29shortage.html https://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-administration-launches-deceptive-swine-flu-propaganda-blitz/15860 http://archive.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/44032667.html/ https://www.usnews.com/news/washington-whispers/articles/2009/09/14/media-coverage-of-obama-grows-more-negative https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB125640028120405945 https://www.mediamatters.org/sean-hannity/misinformation-pandemic-conservative-media-use-h1n1-oppose-health-care-reform The media has been unfair to Trump, especially in his times of success. The justification for extra criticism is he is held to a different standard since he is not a career politician. However, when given opportunities to prove himself as a strong leader he sometimes fails. Leaders need to be called out for it, it is part of their job to handle it. With out allowing for healthy skepticism of our government and the decisions made, it will make us resemble a socialist/communist country. FDR gave an iconic response that will be remembered for generations in relation to the public being afraid. The media gave Trump an easy question about the public being scared. And there are a lot of people who are afraid (evidence by there being no toilet paper in grand forks). All he had to do was give a typical BS response to inspire and give hope to our country and all he did was crap on the reporter. This too will be an iconic response that will be remember for generations. In addition to the previously noted H1N1 sources, here's a sample of Fox News' coverage of Ebola compared to Covid-19. Fox is by far the most watched news outlet in the country. It sits directly on top of the steaming pile that is American MSM. Is Trump treated fairly? Not at all. But, again, it comes with the territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit's Luck Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: I have Obama’s “wingman” Eric Holder and Susan “IT WAS A YOUTUBE VIDEO!” Rice holding for you on lines 1 and 2, respectively... Both of those individuals were highly qualified for the positions they held. Not even really a relevant comparison, but my expectations for any kind of standard wrt to discussion are pretty low these days. I will acknowledge that the right-wingers didn't like Holder or Rice very much, but they were absolutely qualified to be appointed to those positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit's Luck Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said: LOL. You come on here complaining about Richard Grenell and then accuse others of not adding anything to the discussion. I was implying I wasn’t adding anything either, but at least the Grenell talk was actually in reference to Mr. MAGA’s reliance (or lack thereof) on the expertise he has at his disposal. You’re spare parts bud, see ya at the top of the lane way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDlaw80 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, keikla said: I have a huge beef with him tweeting about azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine used together as if it's a cure all. Saying if "Taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine." Holy. It's a study with six people in the treatment arm. SIX. That's reckless. Leave the medicine to the professionals. Congratulations when we can't even treat basic community acquired pneumonia with anything less than zosyn cause the resistance to azithromycin is about to skyrocket. And from what I've heard from most of my friends who work in retail is that the massive hoards of scripts they are filling for azith and hydroxychloroquine are predominantly for providers and their families. How long until we see the first robbery for this instead of opioids cause people think the "cure" is being withheld from them? Just watch, in a few weeks half of the southern states will be poisoned and the other half is badly addicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said: Both of those individuals were highly qualified for the positions they held. Not even really a relevant comparison, but my expectations for any kind of standard wrt to discussion are pretty low these days. I will acknowledge that the right-wingers didn't like Holder or Rice very much, but they were absolutely qualified to be appointed to those positions. I knew you’d go the route of “hey, they were qualified,” over what your other comment stated - “yes men.” Or women as was the case with Susan Rice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthDakotaHockey Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Man, the crowd outside the Xcel is wild. Gonna be a great championship game tonight. Let's drop the puck. North Dakota - Minnesota. Duluth. The new great rivalry. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, NorthDakotaHockey said: Man, the crowd outside the Xcel is wild. Gonna be a great championship game tonight. Let's drop the puck. North Dakota - Minnesota. Duluth. The new great rivalry. I was told that UMD was banned from the tournament after it had been determined that a shipment of NDSU-football-supplied “Mountain Dew” had somehow found its way to the Duluth locker room... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit's Luck Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: I knew you’d go the route of “hey, they were qualified,” over what your other comment stated - “yes men.” Or women as was the case with Susan Rice. I’d guess that most Cabinet appointees have been inclined to more or less agree with the President that appointed them. It is, however, unusual for that alignment in beliefs to be the primary qualification for the position. These are unusual and kinda scary times. I’m starting to get more worried about the second wave of the virus and events surrounding the election than I am about containment of the first wave. People in NYC, Boston, parts of California, and other hotspots may not agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 45 minutes ago, keikla said: Good to know about the outpatient CAP guidelines changing. Obviously, I don't see that side. We usually hit them with the azith/ceftriaxone wombo-combo. We submitted the forms to Gilead to use remdesivir for compassionate use. The patient requirements are a bit different for compassionate use vs the active trial. Let us know what you learn. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxphan27 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 39 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said: In addition to the previously noted H1N1 sources, here's a sample of Fox News' coverage of Ebola compared to Covid-19. Fox is by far the most watched news outlet in the country. It sits directly on top of the steaming pile that is American MSM. Is Trump treated fairly? Not at all. But, again, it comes with the territory. I like the one where “positive coverage of Obama slips to 43%”. Trump has been at about 7%. Which of course includes all the lies and hoaxes made up about him and the administration. I noticed none of those articles about the swine flu mentioned the world was going to end because Obama totally focked it up before it even started. The blame for the overreaction and panic we are dealing with today sits squarely on the shoulders of the main stream media. Perhaps that’s why Trump went off on Peter Alexander when Peter started with his question. I don’t agree with trump doing that, but with all the lies from the media he has to constantly deal with, I can understand why he has no time for them, and why he doesn’t really care what he says to them because he knows they will convolute and twist his statements anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Cratter said: Um...I think the President of the United States has access to some of the top professionals and experts in the industry keeping him updated about other case studies than what's just repeated on the internet. Um... Then they should be the ones reporting. As of noon today, we have zero results from studies about the use of hydroxychloroquineazithromycin. The reports are anecdotal. Same report from 3 presenters at The Mayo Clinic Clinical Reviews 2020 completed at noon today. We have multiple studies going right now studying the antiviral agent Remdesivir but studies aren’t complete yet. The President isn’t responsible for our problems. When we do an after action review, there will be a long list for people to criticize. The President’s mistake has been to speak on medical issues that he has no knowledge about and must rely on what he is told by others. If I were advising him I would tell him to allow his medical advisors to brief the nation on the medical details including potential helpful medications or vaccines. He can talk about gearing up the nation to produce more of the required medical supplies. Business is his area of expertise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthDakotaHockey Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 48 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: I was told that UMD was banned from the tournament after it had been determined that a shipment of NDSU-football-supplied “Mountain Dew” had somehow found its way to the Duluth locker room... That announcement comes tomorrow. After a 4-2 pounding tonight. Dogz down. And then banned. That slips the Gophers, standing at #18 in the PW, into the field of sixty-four. The barking all about town starts. The fever goes viral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, iramurphy said: The reports are anecdotal. Of course everything right now is going to anecdotal. Doesnt mean its wrong. Dont have time to do long peer reviewed studies right now. All trump said was there are drugs out there that has a chance to be game changers against coronavirus. Turns out he is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 The media: "I cant believe Trump is out there tweeting that there's a drug that could possibly help people against the Coronavirus!" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Trump is out there spreading more anecdotal evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Cratter said: The media: "I cant believe Trump is out there tweeting that there's a drug that could possibly help people against the Coronavirus!" At least they are out there telling the 60% that didn't get the flu shot....."It's not too late. It could save your life". Or was that from the PSA from LeBron James? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Cratter said: Of course everything right now is going to anecdotal. Doesnt mean its wrong. Dont have time to do long peer reviewed studies right now. All trump said was there are drugs out there that has a chance to be game changers against coronavirus. Turns out he is right. I didn’t say he was right or wrong. I’m not a fan of the media. I have to deal with facts. The hydroxychloroquine combo looks promising. We will learn more day by day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, Cratter said: The media: "I cant believe Trump is out there tweeting that there's a drug that could possibly help people against the Coronavirus!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, Cratter said: Trump is out there spreading more anecdotal evidence. I’m not an anti-Trump guy. I have reviewed these reports and they were discussed yesterday and today via the Mayo webcast by hundreds of physicians from around the country. When able most of us will be willing to use these meds in combination but if we are wrong, we could cause harm and the anti-Trump lawyer guy would probably want to file class action lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 The Chinese government knew that thousands of Wuhan residents were escaping China by plane before the Wuhan virus was even reported on. Now the Chinese government is blaming the US military for unleashing that virus on the world. https://spectator.us/beijing-attempts-elude-blame-wuhan-virus-backfire/ . . .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farce poobah Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Apologies if this is a duplicate post: FDA approves 'bedside' test which gives results in 45 minutes. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-issues-first-emergency-use-authorization-point-care-diagnostic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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