2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[Oxbow6]

Just now, Bison06 said:

I’m no expert on these things, so how would that work? Would they have their own leadership and draft a new constitution?

The secession of CA can't come soon enough.....

[Bison06]

I do think we are close as a country to an actual split though, however that takes place. It’s pretty amazing that it’s stayed together as long as it has really.

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

4 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

I’m no expert on these things, so how would that work? Would they have their own leadership and draft a new constitution?

Can you even have a constitutional convention on Zoom?

[Oxbow6]

4 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

And how would the national debt and federally owned property be handled?  It'd be messy and likely violent.

Like we haven't seen chapter one of this story in the last 3+ months.

[UNDBIZ]

3 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

I do think we are close as a country to an actual split though, however that takes place. It’s pretty amazing that it’s stayed together as long as it has really.

It'd be nice/cleaner if we simply went back to a weak federal government with strong states.

[Oxbow6]

Have family in Colorado.  Guess west coast folks fed up with all the BS in those states are buying property sight unseen especially in the Denver area.

[UNDBIZ]

Just now, Oxbow6 said:

Have family in Colorado.  Guess west coast folks fed up with all the BS in those states are buying property sight unseen especially in the Denver area.

But they're also turning Colorado into the west coast.

[Oxbow6]

Just now, UNDBIZ said:

But they're also turning Colorado into the west coast.

Parts of Montana as well unfortunately 

 

[UNDlaw80]

Ironically, the Democrats would be staunchly against California's succession.   

[UNDBIZ]

12 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

I think west coast breaks away first, and sooner if Trump is re-elected. It won't be smooth since there will be an exodus/influx as it happens, and people everywhere hate transplants from California.

If the west did separate, I can't imagine the northeast sticking around long in what would then be a very red country.

[Bison06]

2 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

Ironically, the Democrats would be staunchly against California's succession.   

Why?

[Oxbow6]

2 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

Ironically, the Democrats would be staunchly against California's succession.   

Of course........gets back to BIZ's point. CA is a weak governed state. Dems want as big a federal  government as they can get.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

1 minute ago, UNDBIZ said:

If the west did separate, I can't imagine the northeast sticking around long in what would then be a very red country.

We got a preview of the balkanization with the reopening "alliances" that were formed, and sure enough, the Northeast banded together.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

14 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

I’m no expert on these things, so how would that work? Would they have their own leadership and draft a new constitution?

No idea. Will be interesting to see. I'm convinced it's in our lifetime.

[UNDlaw80]

4 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Why?

 

Why?  

Without California the remaining country shifts considerably more to the Right.    

[Bison06]

1 minute ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

We got a preview of the balkanization with the reopening "alliances" that were formed, and sure enough, the Northeast banded together.

What is the value of being a single country if we can’t have a unified direction anyway. We fight with each other on every single thing and nothing gets accomplished. Makes sense to me to start forming new alliances. I’d get the hell out of Minnesota if that were the case, assuming the lines would be drawn on the current state lines, which wouldn’t make the most sense. Outside of Minneapolis, Minnesota is much more similar to the Dakotas.

[Bison06]

1 minute ago, UNDlaw80 said:

 

Why?  

Without California the remaining country shifts considerably more to the Right.    

I see, federally the Democrats wouldn’t want that. I hear you.

[Bison06]

3 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

No idea. Will be interesting to see. I'm convinced it's in our lifetime.

Has anyone seriously brought this discussion to the table?

[Oxbow6]

Just now, UNDlaw80 said:

 

Why?  

Without California the country shifts considerably more to the Right.    

And illegals in this "country" would drop by 4M

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

No matter what, I'm guessing that the coordinates to Epstein's island will be written on the back of at least one of the new Declarations of Independence.

[UNDBIZ]

Just now, Bison06 said:

Has anyone seriously brought this discussion to the table?

I've only seen "serious" proposals to split California in order to secure more Senate spots.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

11 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Parts of Montana as well unfortunately 

 

Missoula just added direct flights to a bunch of new cities in CA (SD, SJ, SF), and Bozeman will soon have 6(!) airlines fighting over direct to LAX. Telecommuters are moving in droves.

[UNDBIZ]

10 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Dems want as big a federal  government as they can get.

It's basically part of the platform that a strong centralized government with an all-powerful leader can fix anything.  They never seem to expect someone like Trump to eventually be in charge of that strong central government though.

[The Sicatoka]

20 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

It'd be nice/cleaner if we simply went back to a weak federal government with strong states.

We could start by revoking the 17th Amendment. 

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

14 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

I've only seen "serious" proposals to split California in order to secure more Senate spots.

In recent history, Texas has talked of a split off more so than anyone