Oxbow6 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, Bison06 said: I’m no expert on these things, so how would that work? Would they have their own leadership and draft a new constitution? The secession of CA can't come soon enough..... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 I do think we are close as a country to an actual split though, however that takes place. It’s pretty amazing that it’s stayed together as long as it has really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I’m no expert on these things, so how would that work? Would they have their own leadership and draft a new constitution? Can you even have a constitutional convention on Zoom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: And how would the national debt and federally owned property be handled? It'd be messy and likely violent. Like we haven't seen chapter one of this story in the last 3+ months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I do think we are close as a country to an actual split though, however that takes place. It’s pretty amazing that it’s stayed together as long as it has really. It'd be nice/cleaner if we simply went back to a weak federal government with strong states. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Have family in Colorado. Guess west coast folks fed up with all the BS in those states are buying property sight unseen especially in the Denver area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, Oxbow6 said: Have family in Colorado. Guess west coast folks fed up with all the BS in those states are buying property sight unseen especially in the Denver area. But they're also turning Colorado into the west coast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, UNDBIZ said: But they're also turning Colorado into the west coast. Parts of Montana as well unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDlaw80 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Ironically, the Democrats would be staunchly against California's succession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said: I think west coast breaks away first, and sooner if Trump is re-elected. It won't be smooth since there will be an exodus/influx as it happens, and people everywhere hate transplants from California. If the west did separate, I can't imagine the northeast sticking around long in what would then be a very red country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said: Ironically, the Democrats would be staunchly against California's succession. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said: Ironically, the Democrats would be staunchly against California's succession. Of course........gets back to BIZ's point. CA is a weak governed state. Dems want as big a federal government as they can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, UNDBIZ said: If the west did separate, I can't imagine the northeast sticking around long in what would then be a very red country. We got a preview of the balkanization with the reopening "alliances" that were formed, and sure enough, the Northeast banded together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I’m no expert on these things, so how would that work? Would they have their own leadership and draft a new constitution? No idea. Will be interesting to see. I'm convinced it's in our lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDlaw80 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Why? Why? Without California the remaining country shifts considerably more to the Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said: We got a preview of the balkanization with the reopening "alliances" that were formed, and sure enough, the Northeast banded together. What is the value of being a single country if we can’t have a unified direction anyway. We fight with each other on every single thing and nothing gets accomplished. Makes sense to me to start forming new alliances. I’d get the hell out of Minnesota if that were the case, assuming the lines would be drawn on the current state lines, which wouldn’t make the most sense. Outside of Minneapolis, Minnesota is much more similar to the Dakotas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, UNDlaw80 said: Why? Without California the remaining country shifts considerably more to the Right. I see, federally the Democrats wouldn’t want that. I hear you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said: No idea. Will be interesting to see. I'm convinced it's in our lifetime. Has anyone seriously brought this discussion to the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, UNDlaw80 said: Why? Without California the country shifts considerably more to the Right. And illegals in this "country" would drop by 4M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 No matter what, I'm guessing that the coordinates to Epstein's island will be written on the back of at least one of the new Declarations of Independence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, Bison06 said: Has anyone seriously brought this discussion to the table? I've only seen "serious" proposals to split California in order to secure more Senate spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Parts of Montana as well unfortunately Missoula just added direct flights to a bunch of new cities in CA (SD, SJ, SF), and Bozeman will soon have 6(!) airlines fighting over direct to LAX. Telecommuters are moving in droves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Dems want as big a federal government as they can get. It's basically part of the platform that a strong centralized government with an all-powerful leader can fix anything. They never seem to expect someone like Trump to eventually be in charge of that strong central government though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: It'd be nice/cleaner if we simply went back to a weak federal government with strong states. We could start by revoking the 17th Amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 14 hours ago, UNDBIZ said: I've only seen "serious" proposals to split California in order to secure more Senate spots. In recent history, Texas has talked of a split off more so than anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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