FlinFlan80 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 My initial though is here is where you plug in someone with FBS type experience. Similar to what we got with Pawlak (who is a great coach) we look to find someone who has been hanging around FBS programs in some coaching aspect and maybe even played for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fry Bread Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 I think the recruiting ties of any potential candidate will be the most important factor....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 No offense to Brett....not saying he's a bad hire or an unexpected hire but how does Dosch not get a look at this position? Stints at 2 current MVC schools as a defense position coach plus HC experience at a NAIA and a D2 schools. Put the resumes side by side........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak61 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: No offense to Brett....not saying he's a bad hire or an unexpected hire but how does Dosch not get a look at this position? Stints at 2 current MVC schools as a defense position coach plus HC experience at a NAIA and a D2 schools. Put the resumes side by side........ How do we know that Dosch was interested? Maybe a call was made and interest wasn't expressed. Just speculating like everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlinFlan80 Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 My opinion: Dosch is old. We talk about how being able to recruit plays a huge factor in this, well kids these days want to play for "cool" young coaches. Bubba knows he is the old "old" dude on staff and that his best days are behind him. He needs to set the program up for what he thinks will help most in the future, regardless of past experience at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 From the Schmidt thread: On 1/7/2020 at 10:26 AM, The Sicatoka said: I see "generational shifts" coming in UND coaching in say the next 5 or so years. In football, the "Thomas/Lennon/Schweigert" consortium (1980/1990s based) will transition to something more 2000/2010s (DF/BH/JS?). I see the same for hockey, moving from 1980s Gino/Blais/Hak/Bubs to more 2000s (KG?) Now fill in the following: Tom Dosch is of the _______________ years era. (Hint: He's part of a mentioned consortium.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoSiouxFan Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: From the Schmidt thread: Now fill in the following: Tom Dosch is of the _______________ years era. (Hint: He's part of a mentioned consortium.) Ha! I enjoy your humor every now and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 1:46 PM, FlinFlan80 said: My opinion: Dosch is old. We talk about how being able to recruit plays a huge factor in this, well kids these days want to play for "cool" young coaches. Bubba knows he is the old "old" dude on staff and that his best days are behind him. He needs to set the program up for what he thinks will help most in the future, regardless of past experience at times. Nick Saban is 68 years old...how’s he doing with recruits these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 He just shows up for dinner and schmoozes the parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlop Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 12:38 PM, Oxbow6 said: No offense to Brett....not saying he's a bad hire or an unexpected hire but how does Dosch not get a look at this position? Stints at 2 current MVC schools as a defense position coach plus HC experience at a NAIA and a D2 schools. Put the resumes side by side........ Bubba doesn't want to feel threatened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, TheFlop said: Bubba doesn't want to feel threatened. By Tom Dosch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlop Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 1 hour ago, UND1983 said: By Tom Dosch? Yes. Look at all of of OC and DC picks. Not a one has been a threat to him due to ineptitude (Rudolph) or inexperience (Freund and Holinka). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 1:46 PM, FlinFlan80 said: My opinion: Dosch is old. We talk about how being able to recruit plays a huge factor in this, well kids these days want to play for "cool" young coaches. Bubba knows he is the old "old" dude on staff and that his best days are behind him. He needs to set the program up for what he thinks will help most in the future, regardless of past experience at times. This is one person’s opinion and not supported by facts. Athletes relate to coaches for many reasons. For some age is a factor. But that goes both ways. For kids whose high school coaches/teachers have had a significant influence on them, the age of their future coaches can be a factor. The majority of athletes want a coach who they feel cares about them and will give them a fair chance to compete and play and help them develop as a player. The parents and families of the athletes want the same. For some the most important issue is the athletes opportunity to succeed. For some the opportunity to improve and develop as a player and also a young adult. The athletes feeling of “connecting” with the coaches and future teammates is a priority. The academic opportunities are essential for many especially those who aren’t convinced the NFL is in their future and those with an IQ above 90. The tradition of the program is a big factor, but also the facilities, and potential for success. Where an athletes girlfriend/boyfriend is, family ties to the school or program, big school, big city, etc are factors. Age of the coach as an independent factor isn’t that important and no one on our staff nor prospective coaches mentioned are too old. Their are many coaches, young and old, who fail because they can’t relate to their players and adjust to the different personalities. Their are also many coaches, young and old, who can adjust how they communicate and motivate their athletes over time just like they adjust their schemes and coaching philosophy over time and based on talent. Their are “cool old coaches as well as cool young coaches”. I respectfully disagree with your opinion. I also disagree that coaches in their 40’s or 50’s are old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 1:46 PM, FlinFlan80 said: My opinion: Dosch is old. We talk about how being able to recruit plays a huge factor in this, well kids these days want to play for "cool" young coaches. Bubba knows he is the old "old" dude on staff and that his best days are behind him. He needs to set the program up for what he thinks will help most in the future, regardless of past experience at times. 9 minutes ago, iramurphy said: This is one person’s opinion and not supported by facts. Athletes relate.... to blah blah blah.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cratter said: I tried not to use big words just for you. Sorry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Dosch was unqualified here by some for the DC spot when it opened up , too old for others and not inbred enough for a Bubba staff addition for a few. So when Dosch was named HC at NSU any guesses who else was a finalist that he beat out for the position? Hint...........he just lead a team to a 16-0 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Oxbow6 said: Dosch was unqualified here by some for the DC spot when it opened up , too old for others and not inbred enough for a Bubba staff addition for a few. So when Dosch was named HC at NSU any guesses who else was a finalist that he beat out for the position? Hint...........he just lead a team to a 16-0 season. That supposed to make Dosch a better coach somehow? The guy has a losing overall head coaching record. Don't see how his mediocre, at best, experience really makes him look any better as a candidate. Rather take a young guy with more potential any day (see Freund) than a "safe" pick like this dude. You really want a guy who was just fired from a D2 school to be our coordinator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, nodak651 said: That supposed to make Dosch a better coach somehow? The guy has a losing overall head coaching record. Don't see how his mediocre, at best, experience really makes him look any better as a candidate. Rather take a young guy with more potential any day (see Freund) than a "safe" pick like this dude. You really want a guy who was just fired from a D2 school to be our coordinator? Just curious........what category was Bubba in when he was hired to be the HC at UND? Same with Entz at NDSU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 45 minutes ago, nodak651 said: That supposed to make Dosch a better coach somehow? The guy has a losing overall head coaching record. Don't see how his mediocre, at best, experience really makes him look any better as a candidate. Rather take a young guy with more potential any day (see Freund) than a "safe" pick like this dude. You really want a guy who was just fired from a D2 school to be our coordinator? Some people are better position coaches and/or coordinators than they are head coaches. And nobody can win at Northern State, you have very few resources to work with there. Let's not pull this out of the closet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 21 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said: Some people are better position coaches and/or coordinators than they are head coaches. And nobody can win at Northern State, you have very few resources to work with there. Let's not pull this out of the closet: That wasn't exactly the point. Did you read the comment I responded to? Completely different context. And yeah, he'd be a great hire as a position coach. This is pretty much the same argument that could have been made for Paul Rudolph when he was hired.. "So when Dosch was named HC at NSU any guesses who else was a finalist that he beat out for the position? Hint...........he just lead a team to a 16-0 season." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 21 hours ago, Oxbow6 said: Just curious........what category was Bubba in when he was hired to be the HC at UND? Same with Entz at NDSU? Not exactly the same situation... UND football was in a tail spin. But either way, what has that gotten us? Mediocre results. Don't really see how that helps your argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheFlop Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 15 hours ago, UNDBIZ said: Atta boy Bubba......keeping the Southern Illinois to UND coaching pipeline intact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, TheFlop said: Atta boy Bubba......keeping the Southern Illinois to UND coaching pipeline intact. By all means provide us a name of a better candidate they could've gotten....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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