Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said: Calm down, man. Control the rage. I’ve been out of the program for years, the effects have worn off. 1 Quote
homer Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, Bison06 said: If any of you would read the actual story you’d see how foolish your rhetoric is this morning. He said it was a standard preworkout supplement and he tested positive for a stimulant. There are categories of drugs for a reason people, this isn’t rocket science. You’d think the medical professionals on this board would be speaking up on this. For those who are stating that NDSU has had players in the past perform bigger than their size insinuating they got some sort of anabolic affect from this “preworkout” drink, simply don’t understand physiology. Stimulants aren’t anabolic, in fact, long term use can be catabolic. https://drugabuse.com/stimulants/effects-use/ best source I could find real quick. NDSU has opened itself up to criticism on this and I’d like questions to be asked and investigated as to the specific details. But, keep it to the facts people, you guys are like CNN right now with your logic leaps. Facts are that NDSU’s strength coach and staff will have players that need to add weight and strength lift twice per day in the summer. Also certain positions do this. You don’t think an illegal pre-workout would benefit these players during this time? It’s also an advantageous time for the staff to distribute these to players to maximize these workouts and “develop” the players. Weird how NDSU claims to do it better than anyone. 1 Quote
petey23 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 13 hours ago, Mama Sue said: Try grab a beer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjDEPtS68CM&t=7s 1 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Forgive me, but I'm going back to this one more time: Quote NDSU also does its own random internal testing with the football program throughout the season, using the same company — Drug Free Sport International — the NCAA uses in its testing. Is this common at the FCS level? It can't be cheap. And why do they self-test? To me you test for things you know might happen. My house has smoke detectors; they test the for smoke and let me know. (Hold your comments on my cooking.) My house has a carbon monoxide detector. Why? Because I know my house can produce CO (furnace, fireplace) and I want to know before it does harm. I test for things that might happen. I don't have a U-235 detector (Geiger counter) in my house. There'll never be U-235 in my house as it's illegal for a private citizen to possess; it's never going to be there. Why would I test for it. So if NDSU knows to follow the rules, why do they test for things that by policy (theirs and NCAA), won't be there? The only other reason you test for something? The ugly answer is you know your are doing something and need to make sure you are staying undetectable. 1 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said: Well....it sounds like the ndsu folks are not going to take this sitting down....so I guess it could be either. If you play you get one; if you are benched you get the other. Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, homer said: Facts are that NDSU’s strength coach and staff will have players that need to add weight and strength lift twice per day in the summer. Also certain positions do this. You don’t think an illegal pre-workout would benefit these players during this time? It’s also an advantageous time for the staff to distribute these to players to maximize these workouts and “develop” the players. Weird how NDSU claims to do it better than anyone. I’m not sure what your lifting background is, but anyone who spends time in a gym will tell you that the vast majority of men who are serious about their workouts take some sort of preworkout supplement. I can guarantee you, if you went to the UND weight room this morning and asked the team how many people in this room take something before their workout to get them going, the majority of hands would go up. A lot of guys use coffee to be safe, but others use supplements. Go to any GNC and ask to see their preworkout supplements, they are everywhere. The mistake that this kid made, was not being absolutely sure that he could take this particular preworkout supplement and whichever person associated with the team that gave him the impression, implicitly or explicitly that it was safe, should be addressed and handled appropriately. I’m not trying to downplay what happened here, just merely trying to put it in the proper perspective since many here are equating taking a preworkout to taking steroids or HGH. Completely different universes. Quote
FlinFlan80 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Hey all you NDSU folks, here is who was supplying your boys with their goods: https://www.bennewman.net/ Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, FlinFlan80 said: Hey all you NDSU folks, here is who was supplying your boys with their goods: https://www.bennewman.net/ All signs point this direction, yep. Quote
FlinFlan80 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Bison06 said: I’m not sure what your lifting background is, but anyone who spends time in a gym will tell you that the vast majority of men who are serious about their workouts take some sort of preworkout supplement. I can guarantee you, if you went to the UND weight room this morning and asked the team how many people in this room take something before their workout to get them going, the majority of hands would go up. A lot of guys use coffee to be safe, but others use supplements. Go to any GNC and ask to see their preworkout supplements, they are everywhere. The mistake that this kid made, was not being absolutely sure that he could take this particular preworkout supplement and whichever person associated with the team that gave him the impression, implicitly or explicitly that it was safe, should be addressed and handled appropriately. I’m not trying to downplay what happened here, just merely trying to put it in the proper perspective since many here are equating taking a preworkout to taking steroids or HGH. Completely different universes. This is one hundred percent true. I will be completely honest here. I took a preworkout all through college, before every workout, every game, etc etc. Lucky for me, I didn't get caught if what I was on was illegal. Hell every once in a while I still buy them today because they really do make working out that much easier. I feel bad for Brock because I'm sure he wasn't alone, but NDSU does need to be held responsible in some respect. Quote
FlinFlan80 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Bison06 said: All signs point this direction, yep. Klieman speaks so highly on this dude you would almost think he has a little man crush on the guy. Sucks that he screwed them over. Quote
forksandspoons Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I’m not sure what your lifting background is, but anyone who spends time in a gym will tell you that the vast majority of men who are serious about their workouts take some sort of preworkout supplement. I can guarantee you, if you went to the UND weight room this morning and asked the team how many people in this room take something before their workout to get them going, the majority of hands would go up. A lot of guys use coffee to be safe, but others use supplements. Go to any GNC and ask to see their preworkout supplements, they are everywhere. The mistake that this kid made, was not being absolutely sure that he could take this particular preworkout supplement and whichever person associated with the team that gave him the impression, implicitly or explicitly that it was safe, should be addressed and handled appropriately. I’m not trying to downplay what happened here, just merely trying to put it in the proper perspective since many here are equating taking a preworkout to taking steroids or HGH. Completely different universes. Agree with this. It just seems weird to me that NDSU never really seemed to have Brock's back. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, FlinFlan80 said: Hey all you NDSU folks, here is who was supplying your boys with their goods: https://www.bennewman.net/ https://www.bennewman.net/coaching/ , then scroll to the bottom. Quote
Mama Sue Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 That explains a lot.... wow. The administrator notified me I have used my allotted up arrows today.... I can’t like anything. I Hope Mama Bear goes after the source AND the AD..... story gets better and better... Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I’m not sure what your lifting background is, but anyone who spends time in a gym will tell you that the vast majority of men who are serious about their workouts take some sort of preworkout supplement. The "everybody does it" defense? 2 Quote
Cratter Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 "NDSU staff provides football players banned NCAA substance." 1 Quote
Cratter Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 NDSU is on the phone right now offering hush money to make it all go away. Will she sue? Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: The "everybody does it" defense? Read my entire post. Nuance sir, as usual it’s lost on many here. Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, forksandspoons said: Agree with this. It just seems weird to me that NDSU never really seemed to have Brock's back. I agree. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Read my entire post. Nuance sir, as usual it’s lost on many here. OK. Here's another great portion. 32 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I’m not trying to downplay what happened here, just merely trying to put it in the proper perspective since many here are equating taking a preworkout to taking steroids or HGH. Completely different universes. Not to the NCAA. The NCAA is black and white. The NCAA is not nuanced when it comes to this topic. Quote
homer Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 28 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I’m not sure what your lifting background is, but anyone who spends time in a gym will tell you that the vast majority of men who are serious about their workouts take some sort of preworkout supplement. I can guarantee you, if you went to the UND weight room this morning and asked the team how many people in this room take something before their workout to get them going, the majority of hands would go up. A lot of guys use coffee to be safe, but others use supplements. Go to any GNC and ask to see their preworkout supplements, they are everywhere. The mistake that this kid made, was not being absolutely sure that he could take this particular preworkout supplement and whichever person associated with the team that gave him the impression, implicitly or explicitly that it was safe, should be addressed and handled appropriately. I’m not trying to downplay what happened here, just merely trying to put it in the proper perspective since many here are equating taking a preworkout to taking steroids or HGH. Completely different universes. Are all pre workout supplements banned or just the ones distributed by NDSU staff to its athletes? Quote
Mama Sue Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, Cratter said: NDSU is on the phone right now offering hush money to make it all go away. Will she sue? At a minimum....... Quote
Cratter Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, forksandspoons said: For those wondering Travis Beck is a former NDSU football player. He seems to know who supplemented this man with illegal substance (Ben Newman). All it takes is one person to testify and verify the familys story. 2 Quote
jdub27 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 If that accusation is true, what is going on that a motivational speaker is allowed to recommend and supply supplements to players? Holy hell that is a lack of control. 1 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, jdub27 said: If true, what is going on that a motivational speaker is allowed to recommend and supply supplements to players? Holy hell that is a lack of control. Lack of institutional control? I've heard that phrase used somewhere ... hmmm ... Quote
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