NDSUCKS Dump Thread

[Siouxphan27]

2 hours ago, North Dakota said:

 

 

What was it then? And how do you know? 

 

22 hours ago, Siouxphan27 said:

 

 

[North Dakota]

31 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

The curiosity in this is the following:

If it really was caffeine why not just come out and say it. The average person would be flabbergasted that the NCAA would take away a season for drinking a freshly brewed pot of Folgers*. Robbins and NDSU would more than likely get sympathy and the NCAA would get scorn (and who's not in favor of that). 

Heck, if we tested the student body at any university for caffeine during the last three days of finals week I wonder how many would fail in the eyes of the NCAA. 

But by not coming out and saying "caffeine" it makes me wonder ... is it. 

 

All that said, we don't know until someone who knows (Robbins, NDSU, NCAA) says so. 

 

*I received no compensation for that name drop.  And believe it or not that would get the average person close if not into the NCAA fail category. 

The only person that can legally say what the substance was is BR right? The school and NCAA cannot reveal any information per privacy laws. Not sure why BR didn't just say what he tested positive for, would have eliminated a lot of assumptions/accusations. IMO BR and his mom should have either spilled the whole story if they were going to go public with it. Something doesn't smell right from their side either.

[North Dakota]

Just now, Siouxphan27 said:

 

 

Ostarine isn't a stimulant.

[90siouxfan]

I wonder if young BR was 100% truthful with his mother, wouldn't be the first time a son fudged a few details just to get the moment to pass, and not realizing mom was going to go on the warpath.  This would kind of explain the lack of anything since, although not as interesting as a scandalous cover up by MooU and their dope peddling guru...

[The Sicatoka]

17 minutes ago, North Dakota said:

Not sure why BR didn't just say what he tested positive for, would have eliminated a lot of assumptions/accusations. IMO BR and his mom should have either spilled the whole story if they were going to go public with it. Something doesn't smell right from their side either.

Not going to disagree with that. 

The NCAA could remove all personal data from test results and report generically by State or by conference: "We ran X tests on student-athletes from < state/conf > during < timeframe >. Of the X tests, Y came back positive for Z, M came back positive for N. Results were reported to the schools and student athletes involved and sanctions have been applied." 

The NCAA would do that if they really were serious about enforcement and student athlete safety. 

[jdub27]

25 minutes ago, North Dakota said:

The only person that can legally say what the substance was is BR right? The school and NCAA cannot reveal any information per privacy laws. 

While there is likely some truth to that, Clemson hasn't had any issues discussing the matter on the record. 

 

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Lawrence and the two other players -- backup offensive lineman Zach Giellaand freshman tight end Braden Galloway -- had a "sliver" of a substance called ostarine in their test samples, Swinney said.

"We do have an issue that we're dealing with," Swinney told reporters. "And, you know, I think that the best thing is to just be transparent in that."

 

[North Dakota]

10 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

While there is likely some truth to that, Clemson hasn't had any issues discussing the matter on the record. 

 

 

I wonder how they can do that, maybe the athletes signed a waiver or something? I don't know how all these laws work but I do know there are definitely laws schools must follow regarding information about students.

[The Sicatoka]

Assuming Clemson is doing nothing wrong in what they are doing and has done their homework, Clemson does show that it can be discussed. There's video. 

[Siouxphan27]

Probably because a Clemson staff member didn’t supply the illegal substance, they feel free to talk about it.  

[Siouxphan27]

1 hour ago, North Dakota said:

Ostarine isn't a stimulant.

“SARMS like Ostarine stimulate steroid hormone receptors.” 

Sounds stimulating to me. 

[The Sicatoka]

The NCAA classifies ostarine as an anabolic agent like steroids. 

http://www.ncaa.org/2018-19-ncaa-banned-drugs-list

Nowhere on earth is ostarine approved for human use or consumption. How that stuff ended up at Clemson is probably not a great story. 

https://www.usada.org/substance-profile-ostarine/

[Mama Sue]

Follow the money......like I said.......follow the money

[Siouxphan27]

6 hours ago, Mama Sue said:

Follow the money......like I said.......follow the money

Clemson hired Ben Newman, and so did ndsu.  Hmmm.....

Clemson players caught with Ostarine, but ndsu player musta just had some Folgers Crystals?

[Herd]

20 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

That wouldn't be definitive. A teammate could only report what they observed. 

Robbins, NDSU, and the NCAA knows what the substance in question is. They have the test report data.  

Yes, and they are legally required to keep that confidential.  At least NDSU and ncaa are.  

[The Sicatoka]

5 hours ago, Herd said:

Yes, and they are legally required to keep that confidential.  At least NDSU and ncaa are.  

Clearly Clemson has spoken on subject, so there is a way for a school to talk about such matters. 

And as I posited earlier, the NCAA could remove all personal information and talk generically about test results and findings and failure rates. 

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

3 hours ago, Herd said:

Yes, and they are legally required to keep that confidential.  At least NDSU and ncaa are.  

It's not that point blank, Clemson just did. 

There is some reason Junior made some things public and went on further to say it's not these two drugs but never went on to mention what he was swallowing. Also another player(s) out of this BB Mama's group of "spread through out the locker room" users could go public?

[3Putt]

On 2/11/2019 at 7:58 AM, The Sicatoka said:

Every contracted game between the schools UND has played. We've been over that. 

I've already contacted the NCAA's enforcement people asking why Ben Newman's name is swirling near loss of eligibility issues on at least two campuses. Call it my good deed for the day. You can thank me later. 

Who could clear up the smoke immediately? Robbins' by naming (names or substances); NDSU by naming the 'giver' (staff, grad student, S/A) that Larson admits to. Heck if Larson know that he knows the substance too I bet. A fifty word press brief and all the supposition goes away.  

So what was the NCAA's reply? Is it "later"?

[The Sicatoka]

Writing to the NCAA is sending into a black hole. That's what you get from organizations with no real accountability. 

So yeah, I got the same response as any other time I've queried them: Dead air.  

But a guy can still dream ... 

[choyt3]

https://740thefan.com/news/articles/2019/mar/06/ndsus-matt-larsen-named-athletics-director-of-the-year/#

Of course he was. 

 

Did the student-athlete, whom (according to Larsen) provided Robbins with the illegal substance that NDSU’s in-house testing missed, just recently get released from another NDSU sport?

[Siouxswim1]

On 3/7/2019 at 3:21 PM, siouxfb said:

The lack of updates on spring ball is killing me...where is UND? Tom Miller? UNDFootball360?

We need some info! 

It’s maybe been a little quiet since Bubba May be a little light on numbers just now. My niece is a track athlete at UND apparently several of the team were arrested last weekend while out on the town. I’m guessing punishments are being handed down. 

[SiouxFan100]

7 hours ago, Siouxswim1 said:

It’s maybe been a little quiet since Bubba May be a little light on numbers just now. My niece is a track athlete at UND apparently several of the team were arrested last weekend while out on the town. I’m guessing punishments are being handed down. 

What???

[CMSioux]

16 hours ago, Siouxswim1 said:

It’s maybe been a little quiet since Bubba May be a little light on numbers just now. My niece is a track athlete at UND apparently several of the team were arrested last weekend while out on the town. I’m guessing punishments are being handed down. 

I am guessing Forum Communicatons will treat this a little different than the drug abuse scandal at Forum State Universty.

[Siouxswim1]

10 hours ago, SiouxFan100 said:

What???

Apparently a bunch of them went out underage drinking and were nabbed. Not sure of specifics just what she told me. 

[Bison06]

2 hours ago, CMSioux said:

I am guessing Forum Communicatons will treat this a little different than the drug abuse scandal at Forum State Universty.

Bad comparison if you’re seeing this as a reason to call out a bias in reporting.

Alcohol charges are always reported on with specifics. Since it is an actual crime it will be public record and every single detail will be in that public record. Same thing happens when NDSU guys get picked up for drinking. 

What has happened at NDSU in recent weeks isn’t illegal by our justice system’s standards and is just an ncaa violation. It isn’t part of the public record so details are much more difficult to come by. 

[jdub27]

12 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Alcohol charges are always reported on with specifics. Since it is an actual crime it will be public record and every single detail will be in that public record. Same thing happens when NDSU guys get picked up for drinking. 

True, it is public record, but when's the last time the Forum reported a minor for a football player? There was even a disorderly conduct the night of a playoff game that didn't get a mention. There's been plenty of opportunities over the last few years to report on them and they haven't touched them. I don't personally think a kid's first MIP really reaches the level of "news", and but just pointing out that the days of those being reported in Fargo are long in the past.