Time to Boo Berry?

[nodak651]

On 3/19/2023 at 8:55 AM, Wilbur said:

What I don't get is that Berry's teams play much much less physical than Hak's and take less penalties.  The physical play would get Hak's teams out of position at times, but we loved the huge hits that weren't majors like they are today and teams had to have their heads up at all times skating through neutral ice.

So outside of Kleven, we don't play that hockey anymore.  Why on earth did our d zone go to absolute hell throughout the season, and cost us again on a 3x3 rush to end the season?

We got off trying to blame the goaltending through most of it, but the 7-6 loss to Western rang the bell that it wasn't just the goaltending.  Save percentage gets owned by one guy but it's a team statistic.  

And now Brad has a huge reconstruction task on the defensive side of things....

Gonna be a long few months....

 

This is my #1 issue.  Team as a whole has been soft and and doesn't seem to have the same passion as Hak's teams.  Reminds me more of the Lucia Gopher teams in that respect.

[nodak651]

11 hours ago, Frozen4sioux said:

Lots of good thought here, shows knowledge of issue for sure.

Once of the most realistic issues UND (and most all other universities) will have is something you elude to... UND NIL collectives will compete with the Alumni Association, the REA, the foundations, and UND itself for the monies that are out there and available. (sports will compete against other sport too)

So a fair question is; How supportive, really supportive, is the University, the Alumni Association, and the Athletic Department going to be in the existence of the collectives.

So far the "wait and see" attitude seems to be the messege.

That's not going to be sustainable, but I fear UND is hoping the NCAA can reign in the demon and at this point, that's not possible.

There's also a middle ground between doing nothing and NIL collectives. 

UND is missing out on NIL opportunities that can be mutually beneficial to both players and UND - No reason the Ralph/UND isn't selling shirts or jerseys with both UNDs logo and current player names/numbers.  

[tnt]

If Berry didn't force his players to watch the selection show, and subsequent takeover of Scheels Arena by rivals, maybe he needs to show them that those rivals are now mocking us.   

 

 

[siouxkid12]

On 3/25/2023 at 5:48 PM, burd said:

Since college hockey is such a niche sport, NIL ought to have less impact, though a larger media market like Mpls-Stp that is hockey-centric certainly should have a big advantage over UND or even DU, simply from a marketing standpoint. 

And don't try to say I'm wrong.   A girl gets tired of being wrong all the time.

They certainly should have a larger media market to utilize but when majority of the metro does not give two craps about UofM hockey (and it shows due to fans not going to games), who's going to know these hockey players that are promoting products?

The businesses in Grand Forks should be lining up an NIL program for UND's athlete's (be it hockey, BBall, Football). The athletes in Grand Forks are the closest thing to professionals Grand Forks will ever see on a regular basis and businesses like Hugo's, Rydell's, Italian Moon, Grand Auto Mart, Wahlen's, North Dakota Eye Clinic, Scheel's, etc.. should be wanting to utilize these athletes. UND cannot afford to sit back on this and not utilize this NIL to further our programs.

[SIOUXFAN97]

anyone remember ladue's breakout pass in 2016 ( i think ladue and i think 2016)...i think he hit a breaking boeser or stetcher for a goal in the playoffs?....taht pass to cooley last night was almost as nice!

 

[Kevin G]

3 hours ago, nodak651 said:

There's also a middle ground between doing nothing and NIL collectives. 

UND is missing out on NIL opportunities that can be mutually beneficial to both players and UND - No reason the Ralph/UND isn't selling shirts or jerseys with both UNDs logo and current player names/numbers.  

This. How is this not already happening? What am I missing? Like, this seems like a freaking layup! We'd love a Blake or Strinden jersey now [insert "Take my money!" meme here]. Plus, if I recall the early NIL discussions, jersey sales were a specific example of how current athletes (and schools!) could legitimately benefit from NIL. 

[stoneySIOUX]

3 hours ago, tnt said:

If Berry didn't force his players to watch the selection show, and subsequent takeover of Scheels Arena by rivals, maybe he needs to show them that those rivals are now mocking us.   

 

 

We're each other's biggest rival. It's 2023. If you didn't see this coming, you haven't been following along. Next time we win a regional in Minnesota, especially if Minny isn't involved, remember this tweet. I guarantee it'll come back around.

It's a silly jab at a massive rival and frankly, if the program needs this as any additional motivation, that would just be stupid.

[90siouxfan]

4 hours ago, nodak651 said:

This is my #1 issue.  Team as a whole has been soft and and doesn't seem to have the same passion as Hak's teams.  Reminds me more of the Lucia Gopher teams in that respect.

The word your looking for is Eades....   passion on a downhill slide since he left.

[siouxkid12]

11 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

We're each other's biggest rival. It's 2023. If you didn't see this coming, you haven't been following along. Next time we win a regional in Minnesota, especially if Minny isn't involved, remember this tweet. I guarantee it'll come back around.

It's a silly jab at a massive rival and frankly, if the program needs this as any additional motivation, that would just be stupid.

I would say that we haven't been rivals since we went our different ways years ago. I remember watching the Sioux/Gopher games back in the WCHA and you knew who played for the UofM but nowadays, I am willing to bet majority of us UND fans couldn't name more than 3 players on the team.

[MafiaMan]

4 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

The word your looking for is Eades....   passion on a downhill slide since he left.

“left” 

[tnt]

9 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

We're each other's biggest rival. It's 2023. If you didn't see this coming, you haven't been following along. Next time we win a regional in Minnesota, especially if Minny isn't involved, remember this tweet. I guarantee it'll come back around.

It's a silly jab at a massive rival and frankly, if the program needs this as any additional motivation, that would just be stupid.

Agree, I am sure UND would have tweeted something similar.   Frankly, I don't know what will motivate them anymore.  Right when I think they should come out of the gate on fire, they lay an egg.  I see so many teams that are "doing the little things" and "putting it all on the line" way more often than I see it on our side of the ledger.   I am starting to question if we lack the competitive edge we had under Hakstol.  Don't see us outcompeting teams very often, or haven't heard the phrase "they are hard to play against" regarding UND much anymore.  

[nodak651]

14 minutes ago, tnt said:

Agree, I am sure UND would have tweeted something similar.   Frankly, I don't know what will motivate them anymore.  Right when I think they should come out of the gate on fire, they lay an egg.  I see so many teams that are "doing the little things" and "putting it all on the line" way more often than I see it on our side of the ledger.   I am starting to question if we lack the competitive edge we had under Hakstol.  Don't see us outcompeting teams very often, or haven't heard the phrase "they are hard to play against" regarding UND much anymore.  

Berry = Lucia

[1966guy]

11 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

Berry = Lucia

That means you better keep him around because Lucia has 2 national titles.  Berry has another one in him according to this.

[siouxkid12]

49 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

The word your looking for is Eades....   passion on a downhill slide since he left.

This was not Cheer's and everyone saying goodbye at the end of the night to Norm (aka Eades), he made his own bed and was let go by Hak.

[nodak651]

32 minutes ago, 1966guy said:

That means you better keep him around because Lucia has 2 national titles.  Berry has another one in him according to this.

Near the beginning of his tenure, just like Berry, but I'm referring more-so to the culture of each coaches' teams.

Sure Berry could win another title, but I think any pretty much any current NCAA D1 coach could do what he's done so far, with the roster he inherited and with the facilities, tradition, and fan base that UND has to offer.  Huge built in advantage.  Berry's teams have no personality.. missing the grit that makes UND hockey what it is. 

Feel like the team is filled with a bunch of Joe Mauer/Ryan Suter types, if you know what I mean.

[nodak651]

Berry has what, at least a couple more years?  If things don't improve, I've got eyes on Rick Zombo if he can surprise people for a couple more years down at Lindenwood.  Listen to him on any podcast that he goes on... exactly what is needed here.

[90siouxfan]

32 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

This was not Cheer's and everyone saying goodbye at the end of the night to Norm (aka Eades), he made his own bed and was let go by Hak.

The fact remains,  what he brought in terms of training and spirit is missing.   Makes no difference why he is not here, but focus on that....

[stoneySIOUX]

1 hour ago, siouxkid12 said:

I would say that we haven't been rivals since we went our different ways years ago. I remember watching the Sioux/Gopher games back in the WCHA and you knew who played for the UofM but nowadays, I am willing to bet majority of us UND fans couldn't name more than 3 players on the team.

I would highly disagree. I think their post that had thousands of likes and shares immediately following their regional win, a massive moment in their season, coupled with the intensity in the crowd and banter online during our series' disagrees, as well. Your opinion, however. 

[stoneySIOUX]

1 hour ago, tnt said:

Agree, I am sure UND would have tweeted something similar.   Frankly, I don't know what will motivate them anymore.  Right when I think they should come out of the gate on fire, they lay an egg.  I see so many teams that are "doing the little things" and "putting it all on the line" way more often than I see it on our side of the ledger.   I am starting to question if we lack the competitive edge we had under Hakstol.  Don't see us outcompeting teams very often, or haven't heard the phrase "they are hard to play against" regarding UND much anymore.  

I think the later part of that paragraph is a lot more worrisome than a post on social media in terms of what's motivating the program, for sure. Glad we're on the same page. 

With that said, I think UND is still thought of a being hard to play against. I know that's something I heard even last season. Heard it a little bit down the stretch, as well, when we remembered our defensive game. To me, this feels like an aberration. Hopefully we get back to it in 23-24.

[siouxkid12]

32 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

I would highly disagree. I think their post that had thousands of likes and shares immediately following their regional win, a massive moment in their season, coupled with the intensity in the crowd and banter online during our series' disagrees, as well. Your opinion, however. 

anyone can retweet anything they want without thinking about it. The fact remains that ever since the Gophers went to the B10 any rivalry that was had with WCHA schools is no longer. If you and I were sitting at Willy McCoy's (enjoying 2-1 in Bloomington) watching the UND/Gopher game this past season, you could honestly tell me the players for the Gophers like you would've back in the day when Riddle, Potulny, Vanek, Tallackson, Guyer, Brigs, Martin Vannelli, Peltier Wheeler, Stoa, Chucko, Pohl, Anderson, Hirsch, Frazee? 

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 hours ago, siouxkid12 said:

anyone can retweet anything they want without thinking about it. The fact remains that ever since the Gophers went to the B10 any rivalry that was had with WCHA schools is no longer. If you and I were sitting at Willy McCoy's (enjoying 2-1 in Bloomington) watching the UND/Gopher game this past season, you could honestly tell me the players for the Gophers like you would've back in the day when Riddle, Potulny, Vanek, Tallackson, Guyer, Brigs, Martin Vannelli, Peltier Wheeler, Stoa, Chucko, Pohl, Anderson, Hirsch, Frazee? 

haha chucko...i remember calling into the coaches show and asking hak if he a. recruited chucko and b. if so do you miss his 2 goals and 3 assists on our fourth line?  "i'll hang up and listen?"...as i was hanging up i can still hear hennessy laughling his ass off (assuming he got hard stare from hak)

[burd]

20 hours ago, iramurphy said:

My guess is the Alumni Association wants little, if anything, to do with it. It is my limited experience with the present leadership they don’t want to lose control of any donated dollars if they can help it. I understand their position. 
The Athletic Dept is likely discussing the ramifications and potential needs with coaches and other AD around the country. It presents a huge challenge during a campaign to raise funds for Phase 2 and proposed plans for the softball field. 
The REA will likely do what they can to furnish resources and coordinate with the Engelstad Foundation. Hockey is likely our top priority. 
Just my gut feeling in answer to your question. I have no idea where we are nor what has been done. Your guess is as good as mine. 

It would be interesting to follow the dollars that come in under one Caitlin Clark's name, image, and likeness for the next six months. 

[petey23]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

haha chucko...i remember calling into the coaches show and asking hak if he a. recruited chucko and b. if so do you miss his 2 goals and 3 assists on our fourth line?  "i'll hang up and listen?"...as i was hanging up i can still hear hennessy laughling his ass off (assuming he got hard stare from hak)

We had to settle for his line mate.

[stoneySIOUX]

16 hours ago, siouxkid12 said:

anyone can retweet anything they want without thinking about it. The fact remains that ever since the Gophers went to the B10 any rivalry that was had with WCHA schools is no longer. If you and I were sitting at Willy McCoy's (enjoying 2-1 in Bloomington) watching the UND/Gopher game this past season, you could honestly tell me the players for the Gophers like you would've back in the day when Riddle, Potulny, Vanek, Tallackson, Guyer, Brigs, Martin Vannelli, Peltier Wheeler, Stoa, Chucko, Pohl, Anderson, Hirsch, Frazee? 

Me? I absolutely could name a significant chunk of this year's Minny team. But, why does that matter anyway? And is this honestly an argument? You hate the team, not the player. Anyway, take a straw poll. Simple solve. I'm very, very confident that UND would be considered a rival and likely, the most hated one by a large number of fans, if not most of them.

[Cratter]

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