Who would UND hire?

[Hawkster]

31 minutes ago, Cratter said:

There will even be a repeat of this entire thread:

Which is fun.

We should fire ADs and coaches more often.

just for my own entertainment purposes.

Here's a link to the start of the above thread so it starts from the beginning.  Crater had it starting at the end.    Everything sounds the same as today.  One certain person  even speculated that Kalen DeBoer would apply.       https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/18586-the-next-coach-of-und-football-is/#comments

 

[UND1983]

59 minutes ago, Cratter said:

I've seen that exact same argument for every athletic director and every major head coach for UND over the last 25+ years.

Sorta rings hollow when its constantly thrown around.

Great.  It’s true now though and there isn’t a metric that proves otherwise

[The Sicatoka]

13 minutes ago, Hawkster said:

One certain person  even speculated that Kalen DeBoer would apply.       https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/18586-the-next-coach-of-und-football-is/#comments

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

18 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

 

24 minutes ago, Hawkster said:

Here's a link to the start of the above thread so it starts from the beginning.  Crater had it starting at the end.    Everything sounds the same as today.  One certain person  even speculated that Kalen DeBoer would apply.       https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/18586-the-next-coach-of-und-football-is/#comments

 

And the second post (in that thread from Sept. 2013) was again @jdub27 protecting Mussman and trying to deflect away from conversation about meaningful change … WOW!

unreal … you can’t make this stuff up. UND’s athletics culture as a DI program is so mediocre and broken … and apparently has been for a while.

Do we want championships or participation awards?

I think we may need to consider renaming the champions club to the participation club if we keep Bubba any longer …

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, Cratter said:

I've seen that exact same argument for every athletic director and every major head coach for UND over the last 25+ years.

Sorta rings hollow when its constantly thrown around.

Name one hire that Chaves has made that has worked out in any meaningful way.

You can't........unless you are fine with all the mediocrity. I am not with it.

[Oxbow6]

Boots on the ground >>> deep state

[AJS]

This being University of North Dakota athletics, I fully realize a coaching change after this year is highly unlikely. Where I’m holding onto hope for a change, is the direction of this program is now “unspinable”. It’s a feeling that has never been this clear. Agree or disagree (most disagreed), but even this most recent extension, you could spin it as, well, they’ve made the playoffs X years in a row. Just need to fix Y to take the next step.

It’s the final minute of the first half in three of the last four games. It’s every time they step on the road. Coaching staff has completely failed. It’s broken and it will not be fixed while Bubba is still the coach. They will not make the playoffs moving forward, while Bubba is still the coach. 
 

The other Dakota schools and the Montanas will lose a guy or two to the portal (except for SDSU), but will largely keep their key players. It’s why the are Top 10 teams. Last year, UND for the first time lost more than usual. That was a big sign. This year I’m guessing will be worse.

There’s no way to spin this anymore. Maybe UND athletics will take a step forward and finally realize the only thing missing is Coaching. 

[sioux24/7]

Chaves defense of Bubba will be something to the tune of UND is one of 5 (making this number up) programs to make the FCS playoffs 4 of the last 6 years. I know he talked about that a lot last year. 

[UND1983]

2 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

Chaves defense of Bubba will be something to the tune of UND is one of 5 (making this number up) programs to make the FCS playoffs 4 of the last 6 years. I know he talked about that a lot last year. 

…..then what happened Bill? 

[UND-FB-FAN]

15 minutes ago, AJS said:

This being University of North Dakota athletics, I fully realize a coaching change after this year is highly unlikely.

And this is where apathy sets in and strong consideration towards separating one’s self away from this mess …

UND leadership needs to prevent this and pay accordingly. With that said, donors (including myself) are willing to contribute in order for the right thing to happen. 

[UND1983]

I was down to two tix and those will be non-renewed if nothing changes.  Can’t justify it any longer

[UND-FB-FAN]

8 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

Chaves defense of Bubba will be something to the tune of UND is one of 5 (making this number up) programs to make the FCS playoffs 4 of the last 6 years. I know he talked about that a lot last year. 

Also could state they’ve made the playoffs 2 of the last 4 seasons (including this season) and have won zero playoff games in that time … it can be spun anyway just to fit the narrative. Meanwhile, regional rivals have been winning national championships …

[iramurphy]

15 hours ago, 90siouxfan said:

What is his opinion on sports programs? Necessary evil? Money pit? 

No, but it’s not his priority nor should it be.
The major universities rely on supporters and alumni for key financial projects/programs. If I recall correctly, there are significant funds for athletics including FB, earmarked in the $500,000,000 fundraising campaign. The alumni association has employees specifically assigned to athletics. 

We can all respond to our frustrations from lack of success in our favorite athletic teams. We all don’t have significant funds to donate when we are trying to raise a family or help our kids in college etc. It doesn’t help “right the ship” faster when we stop attending games, stop donating what we have been etc.

I guess I am beyond the blame game.  It doesn’t mean I disagree. It’s easy to go that route,  but it hasn’t changed anything. Maybe a better course is to recognize the problem and stepping up to say “where can I help”.  

[Oxbow6]

Wouldn't say UND, in some departments, is killing it from an educational standpoint. Since returning from the Covid debacle and it's shenanigans as a freshman not one in person class....all on-line....since the return and that person will graduate with a masters degree next month. Uncle Andy is no Clifford.

[UND-FB-FAN]

17 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

It doesn’t help “right the ship” faster when we stop attending games, stop donating what we have been etc.

I disagree; it’s the only option when discussion and communication is blatantly ignored time and time again.
 

The expectations just aren’t there for UND football apparently.  I do agree folks should focus on “raising their family or helping their kids in college etc.” but concurrently they probably should not be attending/donating to UND athletics if the University leaders are only going to gaslight them and spend their donated dollars irresponsibly and without merit.

[UND1983]

At UND I 100% believe that a program needs to be abandoned & given up on by fans for a change to be made.  Chaves is quite obviously OK with poor to average records for his programs.  If people keep showing up and supporting these mediocre programs he will do nothing but keep it going.  

[SIOUXFAN97]

4 hours ago, HoopsFan03 said:

I think someone likes Chaves….. @jdub27 burner account???

aren't u my burner account???????

 

[Cratter]

3 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Name one hire that Chaves has made that has worked out in any meaningful way.

You can't........unless you are fine with all the mediocrity. I am not with it.

I, like most, really only follow hockey and football.

Which he didn't hire. So there's really no point to be made there.

If one is the actual AD for a day, the reasonable thing would to tell Bubba....

Next year (2025) will be your last unless you meet these parameters...like winning a playoff game.

And if your Bubba you go "f, that's hard I've only ever done it once in 10 years!"

[sioux24/7]

16 minutes ago, Cratter said:

I really only follow hockey and football.

Which he didn't hire. So there's really no point to be made there.

If one is the actual AD for a day, the reasonable thing would to tell Bubba....

Next year (2025) will be your last unless you meet these parameters...like winning a playoff game.

And if your Bubba you go "f, that's hard I've only ever done it once in 10 years!"

I would argue that extending Bubba 2x is the same as hiring him. 

[UND1983]

2 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

I would argue that extending Bubba 2x is the same as hiring him. 

True

[F'n Hawks]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

At UND I 100% believe that a program needs to be abandoned & given up on by fans for a change to be made.  Chaves is quite obviously OK with poor to average records for his programs.  If people keep showing up and supporting these mediocre programs he will do nothing but keep it going.  

Attendance at the last two games should be pretty telling already. You have SDSU and USD at home to end the year and there was no energy in the building and lots of empty seats. 

[Cratter]

39 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

I would argue that extending Bubba 2x is the same as hiring him. 

Not really.

You could argue, it's the same as not firing him.

Ain't no one firing a head coach that made the FCS playoffs 4 out of the last 5 years like Bubba has before this season.

That's what were gonna blame Chaves for? lol

[zonadub]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

… The expectations just aren’t there for UND football apparently. …

And looking at recent results, the same could be said for hockey.

[UND1983]

2 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Not really.

You could argue, it's the same as not firing him.

Ain't no one firing a head coach that made the FCS playoffs 5 out of the last 6 years like Bubba has before this season.

That's what were gonna blame Chaves for? lol

You have fully explained the mindset of UND Football and the Athletic Department.  How exciting. 
 

And it was 4 of the last 6. 

[Cratter]

13 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

You have fully explained the mindset of UND Football and the Athletic Department.  How exciting. 
 

And it was 4 of the last 6. 

Yeah sorry. Edited.

4 of the last 5 before this year.