Gameday vs USD

[Nodak78]

46 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

At USD we came out really flat for some reason, offense was horrible, the defense was horrible, and every time something good happened we would shot ourselves in the foot with a penalty.   Those are all things that can and I am confident will be rectified come Saturday.  I am worried about the injuries at OL and ILB.   USD was able to gash us up the middle seemingly at will on Saturday.  The reality is that Saturday we had a converted 205lb OLB, a 195 lb RFR walk-on, an FBS drop-down running back, and a true walk-on soph in playing ILB.  I  think that is a tall order even for Schmidt to work with in a weeks time.  I have no idea if and when Rodgers or Hunt or Larson will be back. When they are back, neither Hunt nor Larson have ever played a down of college football and a year ago Larson was playing high school football. 

We need to patch together the best run blocking line on Saturday, get an early lead and then control the clock for 35-40 minutes.  If we do that we will win.  If the defense is out on the field more than 30 minutes it will be really tough to win.

And create some turnovers.

[CMSioux]

14 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Low, but I'd rather own farm/ranch land within ND in addition to obtaining MBA, CPL, M.D., or J.D. training at UND than go to NDSU and give away a lot of money for an education that changes nothing in terms of land ownership. Most farmers are generational/family and require zero schooling in agriculture. Agronomy and agriculture/mechanical engineering are minor exceptions, although they are Ag services and not agriculture itself, so the "Own the Farm versus Farming" adage works nicely in such cases. Just my lifelong opinion as I've lived through practical experience with this. I wouldn't expect you to agree, as NDSU needs to maintain maximal influence for your own personal satisfaction. In my opinion, UND is far more essential to the state of ND than NDSU is; of course, interchangeability does exist between the two universities, obviously. I digress.

I own both the UND degree and the farmland. It's just a slam not intended to be analyzed. How many farms are owned by someone named Old McDonald? 

[Gothmog]

15 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

I own both the UND degree and the farmland. It's just a slam not intended to be analyzed. How many farms are owned by someone named Old McDonald? 

It's not much of a slam BECAUSE it falls apart when analyzed. It's obviously false.

[siouxfan512]

Been saving my thoughts. Wanted to digest that appalling excuse for a game first.

So, USD and Streveler were as advertised, and there fans should certainly be excited this season. Credit where credit is due. They avenged last year, they started 3-0, they made a complete statement with that win.

That being said, they got UND in one of UND's worst games in the past few years. Losing a game is one thing, but getting blown apart, having that many mental mistakes, that many dumb penalties, that many blown coverage, is completely unacceptable. USD and Misery St, are completely different levels of competition, BUT UND played like a completely different team. I doubt we beat Drake of Mississippi Valley State playing like that. I could not believe how bad some of the secondary coverage was, and nobody seemed to make any adjustments. At least not until the game was way out of hand. Then again, that is what Streveler gives you, try to stop him running and he can beat you with his arm.

As for the offense (or lack of offense), there was plenty of blame to go around. Unfortunately, we needed Studs to have a monster game, and he looked like the Studs of early last year. I wasn't impressed with a lot of Rudolph's calls, the timing of some of the calls, or the fact that he didn't really make any adjustments until it was too late; Then again, even if he had made some changes, nobody seemed to be executing anyway. But for the love of God, can we stop trying the QB sneak? Never works, just wastes a down. The only way I want to see Keaton running is if he is flushed from the pocket and there is space.

Throw the tape away, turn the page, move onto conference play, and focus on the Big Sky. The Bobcats will be licking their chops with what they saw this weekend. Then again, the game will be in GF, I doubt UND could replicate that poor of a performance if they tried, and USD is better than Mt St (though they did challenge the bunnies).

Congrats to the Yotes, they earned that win, and clobbered us. Hope they make some noise in the Valley this year. Time for UND to get their heads set for next weekend. Its all about what we do going forward now.

[siouxfan512]

On 9/16/2017 at 3:46 PM, UNDBIZ said:

You lose your horses or? 

haha, just saw that. Apparently my phone couldn't type on Saturday. I think I was asking about Wanzek and Mercer. 

[UNDColorado]

So how for real is USD? Will they maintain this momentum or will they fall apart as the season progresses? 

[OgieOgilthorpe]

17 minutes ago, UNDColorado said:

So how for real is USD? Will they maintain this momentum or will they fall apart as the season progresses? 

You have to give them a lot of credit because they're obviously a solid team all around and they were far better prepared on Saturday than UND was. But keep in mind, that when a game snowballs like that the team on top usually appears to be far superior to what they actually are. It would be deceiving to compare their scores from here on out.

I see USD with a playoff spot, but they'll drop a game or two in their conference. I dread the day when NDSU plays them because I think a team like NDSU will match up well with them and will probably beat them at their own game. But with their style I also can see them beating teams like SDSU and JMU. And along those lines I see a team like NDSU losing to teams like SDSU and JMU this season. That's what makes football so fun.

We saw USD at their best, and we saw UND at their worst. If UND and USD played 10 times I still have USD winning 9 times, but the worst score of the 9 would be 45-7. 

[geaux_sioux]

17 minutes ago, OgieOgilthorpe said:

You have to give them a lot of credit because they're obviously a solid team all around and they were far better prepared on Saturday than UND was. But keep in mind, that when a game snowballs like that the team on top usually appears to be far superior to what they actually are. It would be deceiving to compare their scores from here on out.

I see USD with a playoff spot, but they'll drop a game or two in their conference. I dread the day when NDSU plays them because I think a team like NDSU will match up well with them and will probably beat them at their own game. But with their style I also can see them beating teams like SDSU and JMU. And along those lines I see a team like NDSU losing to teams like SDSU and JMU this season. That's what makes football so fun.

We saw USD at their best, and we saw UND at their worst. If UND and USD played 10 times I still have USD winning 9 times, but the worst score of the 9 would be 45-7. 

9/10 with our roster from Saturday? Yea. Get all the guys back who have non season ending injuries and I say hell no.

[UNDColorado]

Both solid points. I have been internally debating if USD is that good, or did we play the worst game in years. I think much of both.

[jacksfan29]

52 minutes ago, UNDColorado said:

So how for real is USD? Will they maintain this momentum or will they fall apart as the season progresses? 

USD will go only as far as Strevler can take them. He runs the ball 15-20 per game, he is going to take a beating once league play begins. If he can stay healthy they are a playoff team and could finish as high as 3rd in the league, though I expect they will be 4th behind the trio of NDSU, SDSU and YSU. They face WIU and YSU to begin league play. Two very physical, nasty teams who, if they can will tee off on Strevler every chance they get.

[gundy1124]

5 minutes ago, jacksfan29 said:

USD will go only as far as Strevler can take them. He runs the ball 15-20 per game, he is going to take a beating once league play begins. If he can stay healthy they are a playoff team and could finish as high as 3rd in the league, though I expect they will be 4th behind the trio of NDSU, SDSU and YSU. They face WIU and YSU to begin league play. Two very physical, nasty teams who, if they can will tee off on Strevler every chance they get.

At game speed I thought we knocked Strevler out on the sideline.  But, he got up and didn't miss a beat.  Someone more tech savvy than me can probably find the play.  

[dlsiouxfan]

This game and the season so far reminds me a lot of the 2002 team unfortunately.   That team came in with extremely high expectations, had key injuries early that made us extremely young at LB and DB, and also to be frank had an unfocused offseason after the national championship, and approached too many games with an attitude that we just had to show up to win.  We were beat down at home by Central Washington early in the season, didn't beat anyone who was any good (UNC, UNO) but did beat NDSU, SDSU, and USD who were all terrible that season.  We also lost games to Mankato and Augustana who were far less talented than us. We finished at 5-6 and the upcoming offseason the coaches pushed us as hard as any offseason during my career there.  It was the type of offseason that could have made or broken the program.  Fortunately, it re-focused the team and we were playing for a national championship again in 2003.  

I hope I'm wrong on this but there are just too many similarities right now.

[CMSioux]

12 minutes ago, jacksfan29 said:

USD will go only as far as Strevler can take them. He runs the ball 15-20 per game, he is going to take a beating once league play begins. If he can stay healthy they are a playoff team and could finish as high as 3rd in the league, though I expect they will be 4th behind the trio of NDSU, SDSU and YSU. They face WIU and YSU to begin league play. Two very physical, nasty teams who, if they can will tee off on Strevler every chance they get.

You are only as good as your second string QB. 

 

[jdub27]

20 minutes ago, jacksfan29 said:

USD will go only as far as Strevler can take them.

Don't think this can be emphasized enough. There were a handful of plays in the first quarter he made that very few QB's at this level would have made, escaping pressure and getting a pass in the right spot by a few inches. Huge momentum plays that swung USD's way and combined with UND's complete mental failure, snowballed into a disaster. 

[Midwestern Hawk]

Saturday was as bad a game as UND could play even with depleted roster and I think we will find that USD, with very good team, played almost a perfect game.  It happens like this once in awhile.  A good team plays lights out and another good team forgets to show up.  

IMO It happened yesterday with Dallas and Denver and last seasons CFP with Clemson and Ohio State.  One team gets the early mo and the other team never really recovers.

i hope we get a second game this year in Vermillion and Schmidt has the horses to stop up the middle and get pressure home on Streveler.  Would be a different game.

[OgieOgilthorpe]

1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said:

9/10 with our roster from Saturday? Yea. Get all the guys back who have non season ending injuries and I say hell no.

100% healthy UND I say 6-4 USD. 

Their D line were miles above our O line in all aspects. And their O line controlled our D line very handily...which is scary because that is UND's strongest position group IMO. 

[BigGame]

6 hours ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

At USD we came out really flat for some reason, offense was horrible, the defense was horrible, and every time something good happened we would shot ourselves in the foot with a penalty.   Those are all things that can and I am confident will be rectified come Saturday.  I am worried about the injuries at OL and ILB.   USD was able to gash us up the middle seemingly at will on Saturday.  The reality is that Saturday we had a converted 205lb OLB, a 195 lb RFR walk-on, an FBS drop-down running back, and a true walk-on soph in playing ILB.  I  think that is a tall order even for Schmidt to work with in a weeks time.  I have no idea if and when Rodgers or Hunt or Larson will be back. When they are back, neither Hunt nor Larson have ever played a down of college football and a year ago Larson was playing high school football. 

We need to patch together the best run blocking line on Saturday, get an early lead and then control the clock for 35-40 minutes.  If we do that we will win.  If the defense is out on the field more than 30 minutes it will be really tough to win.

I actually agree the deck is stacked against him as far the ILB's are concerned.  For the most part I am completely on board with how Schmidt calls the game with a few exceptions on certain plays but I doubt you could ever be in agreement with a play caller all of the time.  That being said UND is a defensive team first by Bubba's philosophy and it isn't a secret  that is where the bulk of the football talent is.  Generally Schmidt has a good amount of talent to work with and I defense first team can't play like that.  

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, gundy1124 said:

At game speed I thought we knocked Strevler out on the sideline.  But, he got up and didn't miss a beat.  Someone more tech savvy than me can probably find the play.  

Do you know which quarter it was?

[Fry Bread]

Possible four man front? Smaller, speedier defensive ends converted to linebackers positions? Running back converted to linebacker? Would this be possible to make it threw the year?

[77iceman]

43 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Do you know which quarter it was?

I don't know which quarter, but I know that the hit was delivered by an undersized ILB that used to be an OLB . . . that used to be a receiver . . . that used to be a safety.

[geaux_sioux]

2 hours ago, gundy1124 said:

At game speed I thought we knocked Strevler out on the sideline.  But, he got up and didn't miss a beat.  Someone more tech savvy than me can probably find the play.  

Found it

[geaux_sioux]

6 minutes ago, 77iceman said:

I don't know which quarter, but I know that the hit was delivered by an undersized ILB that used to be an OLB . . . that used to be a receiver . . . that used to be a safety.

It was actually by Tamas

[77iceman]

Ah yes!  18!!  That kid likes to lower the shoulder.  He's the guy that leveled that Utah receiver, as well correct?

[SiouxVolley]

UND's shutout over Mo St was a freakish kind of occurrence, as UND seemed to get all the game breaks at the right time.  Mo St fumbling at our 1/2 yard line is one example.

But the opposite dynamic seemed to occur at the Dakota Dome, as any break suddenly did not go UND's way.  The interception called back is merely one example.  It was a freakish game from a probability standpoint as we were totally dominated score wise just like we totally dominated Mo St score wise.  Not saying the results would be any different, but both games should have been closer.

The depth of the OL and ILB are  major concern as well as our mental game.  Not trying to minimize the problems that were exposed.  But the results of a single game are not representative of either teams overall season.  That was true last year also as there was no rabbit feet appeared  against Stony Brook or Bowling Green, but fate was kind to us the rest of the season.

[geaux_sioux]

10 minutes ago, 77iceman said:

Ah yes!  18!!  That kid likes to lower the shoulder.  He's the guy that leveled that Utah receiver, as well correct?

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