Gameday vs USD

[bincitysioux]

I've been a season ticket holder for 14 years and been to one or two away games each year.  This was the first time we left a game early in all that time.  And that included some awful games in the Mussman and early Bubba years.  Very disappointing.......

[SiouxVolley]

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Former Gopher QB thriving at USD

[darell1976]

I think after this season a coaching change may be in order on the offensive side of the ball. Our defense is the talk of the FCS, teams know how tough they are but our offense sputters too much. We aren't doninent week in and week out. Our plays are too obvious, and when our team becomes one dementional, it can get ugly. 

[darell1976]

Funny how Bison fans are ripping us for losing to USD, with comments like we aren't ready for the Valley, and we are a horrible team. Oh how they forget this from 2 seasons ago.

http://www.argusleader.com/story/sports/college/university-of-south-dakota/2015/10/17/unbelievable-coyotes-stun-no-3-ndsu/74050358/

[Oxbow6]

5 hours ago, darell1976 said:

I think after this season a coaching change may be in order on the offensive side of the ball. Our defense is the talk of the FCS, teams know how tough they are but our offense sputters too much. We aren't doninent week in and week out. Our plays are too obvious, and when our team becomes one dementional, it can get ugly. 

#firemuss

[dmksioux]

2 hours ago, darell1976 said:

Funny how Bison fans are ripping us for losing to USD, with comments like we aren't ready for the Valley, and we are a horrible team. Oh how they forget this from 2 seasons ago.

http://www.argusleader.com/story/sports/college/university-of-south-dakota/2015/10/17/unbelievable-coyotes-stun-no-3-ndsu/74050358/

That 24-21 loss resembles nothing like the 45-7 thrashing we took yesterday.  If that's how we are gonna play against a middle of the pack MVFC team, then we clearly are not ready for the grind of a MVFC season. I know aberrations happen.  But we were so obviously mismatched at most positions, including coaching.  If this team played USD 10 times, USD wins 9/10... we might win one...because aberrations happen.  We can compete with average FCS teams for the most part.  But we have some work to do as a program before we get to the MVFC.

[darell1976]

13 minutes ago, dmksioux said:

That 24-21 loss resembles nothing like the 45-7 thrashing we took yesterday.  If that's how we are gonna play against a middle of the pack MVFC team, then we clearly are not ready for the grind of a MVFC season. I know anberations happen.  But we were so obviously mismatched at most positions, including coaching.  If this team played USD 10 times, USD wins 9/10... we might win one...because aberrations happen.  We can compete with average FCS teams for the most part.  But we have some work to do as a program before we get to the MVFC.

The MVFC is like any other conference, it's not like we played an SEC or Big 10 team. They act like their conference is the NFC North. NDSU lost to them in 2015 and still won a NC. Losing to USD isn't the nail in the coffin of your season and since they aren't in our conference we run the table, win the conference and kick ass in the playoffs. Day by day.

[Dustin]

7 hours ago, gundy1124 said:

Thanks for reminding me.....I was on that team that took that beating, it was from USD, not SDSU.  We had Morningside the next week, then took care of the Bison the following week in GF.  We truly were asleep and unprepared for that game, just like today!!  So history shows a bounce back is possible but this 2017 team has a lot more to overcome than my '95 team.  We were healthy and had more talent than most opponents in '95.

Yes, that must be the year I am thinking of. I was only 13 in '95, so my memory is a little fuzzy on exact details. 

[dmksioux]

14 minutes ago, darell1976 said:

The MVFC is like any other conference, it's not like we played an SEC or Big 10 team. They act like their conference is the NFC North. NDSU lost to them in 2015 and still won a NC. Losing to USD isn't the nail in the coffin of your season and since they aren't in our conference we run the table, win the conference and kick ass in the playoffs. Day by day.

You're right Darrell.  Having 7 teams ranked in the top 25 is just like any other FCS conference.

Oh, and I never said our season is done.  We play in the Big Sky so our chances are good that we can still make some noise and get to the playoffs.

[UNDBIZ]

48 minutes ago, dmksioux said:

I know anberations happen.  But we were so obviously mismatched at most positions, including coaching.  If this team played USD 10 times, USD wins 9/10... we might win one...because aberrations happen.  We can compete with average FCS teams for the most part.  But we have some work to do as a program before we get to the MVFC.

No. Play like we did yesterday and we don't beat Missouri St, or Sac St for that matter. 

[MafiaMan]

31 minutes ago, darell1976 said:

The MVFC is like any other conference, it's not like we played an SEC or Big 10 team. They act like their conference is the NFC North. NDSU lost to them in 2015 and still won a NC. Losing to USD isn't the nail in the coffin of your season and since they aren't in our conference we run the table, win the conference and kick ass in the playoffs. Day by day.

 

2 hours ago, darell1976 said:

Funny how Bison fans are ripping us for losing to USD, with comments like we aren't ready for the Valley, and we are a horrible team. Oh how they forget this from 2 seasons ago.

http://www.argusleader.com/story/sports/college/university-of-south-dakota/2015/10/17/unbelievable-coyotes-stun-no-3-ndsu/74050358/

darell, is your first reaction to a UND win or loss always to go run and find what Bison fans have to say about it?

[Midwestern Hawk]

7 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

No. Play like we did yesterday and we don't beat Missouri St, or Sac St for that matter. 

We would not win a game against any team playing like we did yesterday.  Something is definitely wrong with preparation, motivation and we need some guys back.

 

To USD's credit, they looked like they were coming out to play a huge game with playoff implications vs a long-time rival and UND looked like they were coming out for the first practice of fall camp where it starts to feel like a grind.

[dmksioux]

10 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

No. Play like we did yesterday and we don't beat Missouri St, or Sac St for that matter. 

Agree to a point.  However, how much of that was self inflicted vs. what USD did to us.  Mo state, Sac St don't come out and hit people in the mouth like that.  USD stuck it to us and we didn't know how to respond.  It will be interesting to see what they do once they get in conference.

[homer]

9 hours ago, nodak651 said:

Maybe take away a few carries but let him return punts?

I don't believe we forced a punt in the first half. It was out of hand already 

need plays with John in the slot.  Why can't we throw the 3 yard hook route to him and let him work on a db in space like every team does to us

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, dmksioux said:

That 24-21 loss resembles nothing like the 45-7 thrashing we took yesterday.  If that's how we are gonna play against a middle of the pack MVFC team, then we clearly are not ready for the grind of a MVFC season. I know aberrations happen.  But we were so obviously mismatched at most positions, including coaching.  If this team played USD 10 times, USD wins 9/10... we might win one...because aberrations happen.  We can compete with average FCS teams for the most part.  But we have some work to do as a program before we get to the MVFC.

How do you know they're middle of the pack when they haven't played a conference game yet?

[Hawkster]

10 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

How do you know they're middle of the pack when they haven't played a conference game yet?

I'd venture they are number 3, just behind NDSU and SDSU.   Still yesterday shouldn't happen.   We were considered the number 1 Sky team.

[Midwestern Hawk]

1 hour ago, dmksioux said:

That 24-21 loss resembles nothing like the 45-7 thrashing we took yesterday.  If that's how we are gonna play against a middle of the pack MVFC team, then we clearly are not ready for the grind of a MVFC season. I know aberrations happen.  But we were so obviously mismatched at most positions, including coaching.  If this team played USD 10 times, USD wins 9/10... we might win one...because aberrations happen.  We can compete with average FCS teams for the most part.  But we have some work to do as a program before we get to the MVFC.

I disagree, we came out flat and they were ready to play.  Every time we mounted any surge in the first half we killed it with a penalty.  If that pick that strevrler threw early is not called back for the offsides and we score, totally different game.

Football is a game of momentum.  

[homer]

If our WRs could have caught a cold in the first half that would have helped.  

Defensively, anyone notice any plays from the OLBs?  Me neither cause they knew running at a ILB combo of two former walk one would get them all the yards they needed.  Not a good match up for us yesterday with the health/make up of our LB corps.  200/210 lb running backs and a 240 lb QB running at 190 lb linebackers in a defense designed for LBs to make tackles doesn't seem like a win for the defense   

 

 

[geaux_sioux]

8 minutes ago, TRex said:

I'd venture they are number 3, just behind NDSU and SDSU.   Still yesterday shouldn't happen.   We were considered the number 1 Sky team.

I'm not sure SDSU is better then them. Unless what we saw yesterday was the best they will play all season.

[geaux_sioux]

7 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

I disagree, we came out flat and they were ready to play.  Every time we mounted any surge in the first half we killed it with a penalty.  If that pick that strevrler threw early is not called back for the offsides and we score, totally different game.

Football is a game of momentum.  

Did we have 3rd and 1 on the first drive killed with a false start?

[Midwestern Hawk]

16 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Did we have 3rd and 1 on the first drive killed with a false start?

Yep.  We had some killer penalties.  Every time we had a chance to get the ball rolling our way we had an undisciplined penalty. That needs to be solved NOW!

[Midwestern Hawk]

23 minutes ago, homer said:

If our WRs could have caught a cold in the first half that would have helped.  

Defensively, anyone notice any plays from the OLBs?  Me neither cause they knew running at a ILB combo of two former walk one would get them all the yards they needed.  Not a good match up for us yesterday with the health/make up of our LB corps.  200/210 lb running backs and a 240 lb QB running at 190 lb linebackers in a defense designed for LBs to make tackles doesn't seem like a win for the defense   

 

 

Hopefully can get Hunt and Larson back soon.  So little depth there, the size problem gets amplified as they wear down.  Seems obvious that there is little confidence in neverman or Murray.

[UNDColorado]

35 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

I disagree, we came out flat and they were ready to play.  Every time we mounted any surge in the first half we killed it with a penalty.  If that pick that strevrler threw early is not called back for the offsides and we score, totally different game.

Football is a game of momentum.  

Thing is, that was a free play due to an offsides on us and he probably would not have thrown that ball if there was no flag thrown. 

[geaux_sioux]

15 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

Yep.  We had some killer penalties.  Every time we had a chance to get the ball rolling our way we had an undisciplined penalty. That needs to be solved NOW!

Meanwhile USD on 4th and long.....

[UNDColorado]

11 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

Hopefully can get Hunt and Larson back soon.  So little depth there, the size problem gets amplified as they wear down.  Seems obvious that there is little confidence in neverman or Murray.

We need those guys bad. I like the drive and grit of Rastas, but he just isn't physically there yet.