Two players arrested

[UND1983]

3 minutes ago, Old School Guy said:

What would you do physically assault them or tell them how mad you are? That will solve the problem and ensures it never happens again.  I hope these two guys learn and grow from this and set the Big Sky on fire next year, but it won't happen as a result of some tired or angry teammates. 

Has nothing to do with that.  The reason it works is because the offenders don't want to let down their teammates and feel shame watching them run.  Now if the offenders don't give a sh-t about their teammates then it won't work.  That will, however, shine through like a spotlight and they won't be on the team for very long anyway.

[Old School Guy]

2 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Has nothing to do with that.  The reason it works is because they don't want to let down their teammates and feel shame watching them run.  Now if the offenders don't give a sh-t about their teammates then it won't work.  That will, however, shine through like a spotlight and they won't be on the team for very long.

Let's just hope they learn and grow and leave the funny stuff alone.  Because being athletes, there is nothing good that comes from having that stuff in your possession or system. I have seen people in sports and business get hammered for this...It didn't take me being punished to know I didn't want to suffer the same fate.  

[Old School Guy]

10 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Not unless a second freshman haircut counts as physical assault.

Now, u might be on to something 

[geaux_sioux]

10 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Has nothing to do with that.  The reason it works is because the offenders don't want to let down their teammates and feel shame watching them run.  Now if the offenders don't give a sh-t about their teammates then it won't work.  That will, however, shine through like a spotlight and they won't be on the team for very long anyway.

It's a nice way to filter out the assholes and then get them off of the team.

[Longtime fan]

Bubba handled it like a champ!!!  

[UND-FB-FAN]

Look at the big picture, people. If these kids are not capable of correcting their behaviors after watching their fellow teammates get punished, then they are too selfish to be apart of the ultimate team sport. It's simple; if they screw up again after the message sent, they're off the team. You can't win with selfish players...most of the time. 

[UNDfaninMICH]

7 hours ago, airmail said:

Sorry everyone, but I think you've lost your collective minds. It's the LAW. The substance is ILLEGAL. Ethics has absolutely nothing to do with it.

If we get to the point where officers can pick and choose what laws they enforce - we are all f****d.

 

It seems my attempt to post from my phone didn't work.

What speed do you drive on the highway?

I know with certainty that there are people in my little area who used to confidently drive drunk, knowing that since they were buddies with one of the local cops, they'd just get an escort home. There was a high profile case here where a cop was pulled over for driving drunk. It was big news because he was double the legal limit, driving 90 in a business district, and there was video of it. When the officer who pulled him over saw who it was, he said, "Damn, man, I called it in as a pursuit!" The hidden meaning in that statement being there would soon be other officers there, making it harder to just let him off. Even with that, there were STILL local cops who felt that the arresting officer violated some sort of code. Talk with cops and they'll tell you they don't give nurses tickets, because they have the odd belief that if one day they're needing life-saving help, a nurse who has been ticketed may hold a grudge. 

Hell, I've even been the beneficiary of uneven enforcement. I slid off the highway due to snow and had to call a wrecker. State police had to be called since I was unable to drive my car back onto the road. The trooper looked at my license, realized I used to take care of his kid, and said, "Normally there's a ticket for driving at a speed unsafe for conditions, but you're not getting one." Another time I got pulled over for speeding on my way to work on Christmas Day. I didn't argue it a bit, but the officer let me go, I think maybe because she saw my name badge and title.

Yes, we are already at the point where officers can pick and choose what laws they enforce, and we've been there for some time.

 

I wonder how often people in North Dakota who look like Iwarri Smith are beneficiaries of uneven enforcement? How often is underage possession of alcohol overlooked as compared to possession of marijuana?

 

[Ranger]

Law enforcements officers do not normally issue traffic violations to other LEOs...regardless of the offending officer's jurisdiction.   However, if the violation involves more than one responding officer, those numbers decrease, as does the severity of the offense.  DUIs involving property damage, for example.  Xcel Energy employees may get free entrance into events...  LEOs don't get traffic tickets.  Get over it.  Recent alcohol violations involving hockey players do not fit your theory that minorities, or alcohol violations, are treated differently in Grand Forks.

[Teeder11]

Holy cripes, where the heck did this thread drift to?

[UNDfaninMICH]

1 minute ago, Ranger said:

Law enforcements officers do not normally issue traffic violations to other LEOs...regardless of the offending officer's jurisdiction.   However, if the violation involves more than one responding officer, those numbers decrease, as does the severity of the offense.  DUIs involving property damage, for example.  Xcel Energy employees may get free entrance into events...  LEOs don't get traffic tickets.  Get over it.  Recent alcohol violations involving hockey players does not fit your theory that minorities, or alcohol viloatons, are treated differently in Grand Forks.

I was not whining about officers choosing to not give each other tickets, I was simply pointing out that officers do in fact pick and choose which laws to enforce and when.

As to your second point, it may be true, but it requires knowing the "n" for each occurrence. I'm sure the Grand Forks Herald doesn't have a section detailing the numbers of offenders let off with warnings. People used to be astounded that I had gotten several warnings for speeding on the same road. There's no way those records are kept. Just like there's no way of knowing whether alcohol laws are enforced as frequently as marijuana laws are, and whether race matters. Fair enough, I don't know for certain, but I have a hunch.

[Ranger]

 

14 minutes ago, UNDfaninMICH said:

I was not whining about officers choosing to not give each other tickets, I was simply pointing out that officers do in fact pick and choose which laws to enforce and when.

As to your second point, it may be true, but it requires knowing the "n" for each occurrence. I'm sure the Grand Forks Herald doesn't have a section detailing the numbers of offenders let off with warnings. People used to be astounded that I had gotten several warnings for speeding on the same road. There's no way those records are kept. Just like there's no way of knowing whether alcohol laws are enforced as frequently as marijuana laws are, and whether race matters. Fair enough, I don't know for certain, but I have a hunch.

Every former local LEO I work with disliked traffic stops and only did so for crazy insane violations. As for what's going on in GF, I don't know.  But I can say with certainty that every drug offense will be processed, while minor alcohol offenses will, well, depends on the factors/situation.  I feel for the student athletes... But, any drug possession will get you busted in almost every jurisdiction.  Sucks for them...hope they learn(ed) something from this.

[geaux_sioux]

37 minutes ago, Ranger said:

 

Every former local LEO I work with disliked traffic stops and only did so for crazy insane violations. As for what's going on in GF, I don't know.  But I can say with certainty that every drug offense will be processed, while minor alcohol offenses will, well, depends on the factors/situation.  I feel for the student athletes... But, any drug possession will get you busted in almost every jurisdiction.  Sucks for them...hope they learn(ed) something from this.

New flash, alcohol is a drug. 

[bison73]

It matters not what people think about the pros and cons of pot. The fact is they are part of a team. They broke the law. They screwed their teammates. Nothing will destroy a team more than members not doing whats right because their teammates know what they are doing. Peer pressure is huge.Clean up your act or leave.

I saw the exact same thing in an Iowa team 5-6 years ago. They had great personnel. They would win games and loses games they shouldnt. Nobody could figure it out. After the season was over it came to light that some players well selling drugs and finally got caught.  It tore the team up from the inside out. A lot of dissension and unrest.  Damn near every program runs in to this problem sooner or later. They have to learn they are not above the program.

[Ranger]

7 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

New flash, alcohol is a drug. 

Didn't realize FDA, ATF, and the laws were reclassified.  Will have to review those news rules today.

[geaux_sioux]

2 hours ago, Ranger said:

Didn't realize FDA, ATF, and the laws were reclassified.  Will have to review those news rules today.

Go look up why marijuana got classified the way it did.

[UNDvince97-01]

What an unfortunate discussion...

Marijuana is illegal in North Dakota and these 2 kids broke the law and 'UND team conduct rules' and should be punished accordingly.

I LOVE the concept of punishing teammates while the offenders get to watch.  I believe it holds the entire team accountable and is motivation to stay out of trouble.  This method has been used for quite some time.

I think it's a reach to compare college team athletics to speeding tickets etc in everyday life.  Like someone else posted, our military practices similar methods.

2 games wouldn't be too much and I suspect 1 will be the minimum.

Hope these 2 learn from this.  If not, they will be held accountable by Coach Schweigert and I fear what that result would be.  Both kids have high ceilings.

 

[JohnboyND7]

12 hours ago, UNDfaninMICH said:

 

I wonder how often people in North Dakota who look like Iwarri Smith are beneficiaries of uneven enforcement? How often is underage possession of alcohol overlooked as compared to possession of marijuana?

 

.....And there it is.  The race card.  lol.  

From my experience, the only time alcohol was ever "overlooked" was if it was a big party.  The police don't feel like doing that kind of paperwork.  The police drove through our alley a few times while we were playing beer darts and may have had a couple of underage people present.  Again, probably don't feel like carding everyone when there are 10-20 games of beer darts going on in the college neighborhoods.

[UNDfaninMICH]

15 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

.....And there it is.  The race card.  lol.  

From my experience, the only time alcohol was ever "overlooked" was if it was a big party.  The police don't feel like doing that kind of paperwork.  The police drove through our alley a few times while we were playing beer darts and may have had a couple of underage people present.  Again, probably don't feel like carding everyone when there are 10-20 games of beer darts going on in the college neighborhoods.

What is your experience with marijuana being overlooked? Again, if you don't know the "n" for both circumstances, it's all guesswork.

 

[Bison Dan]

38 minutes ago, UNDvince97-01 said:

What an unfortunate discussion...

Marijuana is illegal in North Dakota and these 2 kids broke the law and 'UND team conduct rules' and should be punished accordingly.

I LOVE the concept of punishing teammates while the offenders get to watch.  I believe it holds the entire team accountable and is motivation to stay out of trouble.  This method has been used for quite some time.

I think it's a reach to compare college team athletics to speeding tickets etc in everyday life.  Like someone else posted, our military practices similar methods.

2 games wouldn't be too much and I suspect 1 will be the minimum.

Hope these 2 learn from this.  If not, they will be held accountable by Coach Schweigert and I fear what that result would be.  Both kids have high ceilings.

 

How many games did Georges miss?

[homer]

11 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

How many games did Georges miss?

You really want to throw stones when it comes to weed Dan?  How far back do you want to go?  

Actually, do you really want to bring up any punishment in regards to off field conduct of football players.  

[UND1983]

3 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

How many games did Georges miss?

None.  Bubba had deemed that after all the media attention Georges "had been through enough".

[JohnboyND7]

8 minutes ago, UNDfaninMICH said:

What is your experience with marijuana being overlooked? Again, if you don't know the "n" for both circumstances, it's all guesswork.

 

My friends got pulled over at like 3am or some nonsense during springfest.  Probably looking for drunk drivers.  They were high.  One got in trouble, one didn't.  Same friend who got in trouble, later got in trouble for smoking and driving again late at night.  In each case, he did not get in trouble for driving if I recall.

Again, I do not care if people smoke.  I don't know a lot of people who do.  Like I said, the ones I know who did it have pretty much outgrown it.

[Teeder11]

33 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

How many games did Georges miss?

You mean the one from February?   How did you find out about that...we tried our damnedest to hide that one -- according to Jolly Rancher or whatever the heck he's calling himself these days on here.

[gundy1124]

26 minutes ago, UNDfaninMICH said:

What is your experience with marijuana being overlooked? Again, if you don't know the "n" for both circumstances, it's all guesswork.

 

The experience in this area is that marijuana isn't overlooked as much as alcohol.  North Dakota has won some 'awards' for most beer consumed per individual in the country......and the beer drinkers in the state are proud of it!!

If you think the cops around here are driving around profiling you are mistaken, they are stretched too thin for that.  Being part of the football team can only help in legal matters, I know from experience having to walk into RT's office my freshman year.  I served my time, a half, and moved on.

[Siouxperfan7]

These guys need a 1 game suspension.  I am pretty confident Bubba will give them that.  Set a precedent for this type of behavior and be consistent.   I don't think anyone would have a problem with that.