Fighting Hawks .vs Roughriders

[Sioux94]

If they kept it to the top two, and Nodaks was out.....which would you vote for?

[Fetch]

Boy this shows how wrong the hardcore are here

 

So why not a modern looking hawk that is totally not like the Blackhawk version ?

& yes I doubt too much like the Sioux logo would be a problem to ncaa - but to HELL with them it would be worth a try & be terrible PR for the ncar - in fact their negativity could back fire on them & really bite them in their azz

Come on some Students or anyone

Do a Hawk morphed from the Sioux Logo

More Hawk than Sioux maybe just colors - but Hawks have feathers

Enough to make us remember the past

 

Edited November 9, 2015 by Fetch

[UNDhoops]

Boy this shows how wrong the hardcore are here

 

So why not a modern looking hawk that is totally not like the Blackhawk version ?

& yes I doubt too much like the Sioux logo would be a problem to ncaa - but to HELL with them it would be worth a try & be terrible PR for the ncar - in fact their negativity could back fire on them & really bite them in their azz

Come on some Students or anyone

Do a Hawk morphed from the Sioux Logo

More Hawk than Sioux maybe just colors - but Hawks have feathers

Enough to make us remember the past

 

you realize none of this will ever happen

[Fetch]

No I don't 

Anything is possible Especially if people want it & stand behind it

[UNDhoops]

No I don't 

Anything is possible Especially if people want it & stand behind it

be prepared to be disappointed

[Fetch]

Oh yeah UND home of the disappointed 

 

& I'll throw in & those that let it happen

Edited November 9, 2015 by Fetch

[IrishSiouxFan]

Boy this shows how wrong the hardcore are here

 

So why not a modern looking hawk that is totally not like the Blackhawk version ?

& yes I doubt too much like the Sioux logo would be a problem to ncaa - but to HELL with them it would be worth a try & be terrible PR for the ncar - in fact their negativity could back fire on them & really bite them in their azz

Come on some Students or anyone

Do a Hawk morphed from the Sioux Logo

More Hawk than Sioux maybe just colors - but Hawks have feathers

Enough to make us remember the past

 

No offense man, but UND will NEVER incorporate anything with native american connotation into the design of the new logo, and that includes feathers (regardless if a bird has feathers or not). They didnt go through this nightmare just to go back through it because the design features what could be construed as native american imagery. If we do indeed go with the Fighting Hawks name (and it's looking that way) we will have a crappy hawk logo like Miami and not the cool one everyone is drooling over from the Black Hawk concept logo. It will never happen.

[Siouxperfan7]

Avoid the disappointment.  Vote Roughriders!!!  

[geaux_sioux]

No I don't 

Anything is possible Especially if people want it & stand behind it

You mean like the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo? How'd that work out?

[Fetch]

The right people did not stand up after Ralph passed

[geaux_sioux]

The right people did not stand up after Ralph passed

Literally everyone other than Ron His Horse is Thunder and a few bleeding hearts stood together while our university had it's name dragged through the mud for over a decade.

[Vegas_Sioux]

Literally everyone other than Ron His Horse is Thunder and a few bleeding hearts stood together while our university had it's name dragged through the mud for over a decade.

he was able to silence an entire group of people, that got the hint to late and booted him. 

[fight on sioux]

I have seriously not met one person who is a Fighting Hawks supporter... I see there are a couple of them on here but I have yet to actually meet one in person. I don't understand where all these votes are coming from? I have talked with a lot of students on campus as well. The funny thing is that the requirements for a name to make the final vote are nowhere to be found in the name "Fighting Hawks." 

Here is the list of nickname trait requirements:

• Representative of state/region (Ok, our state has Hawks, so does every other state)
• Honor past/look to future (Just because it has "Fighting" in it doesn't mean it honors our past. You can add "Fighting" to anything.)
• Promote pride, strength, fierceness, passion (this is a personal opinion)
• Sense of community/connectedness (Definitely isn't going to bring us all together)
• Intimidation to competitors (Well then we should be intimidated by many teams given the popular use of any Hawk name)
• Unique, recognizable, distinctly UND (Not even close)
• Formidable/fierce (once again, personal opinion)
• Inspiring, unforgettable (Not even close)
• Beautiful/classy (Hawks are beautiful animals, I will agree with that)

If you can make the case that Fighting Hawks represents these traits with GOOD reasoning then I'm all ears...

[Siouxphan27]

I have seriously not met one person who is a Fighting Hawks supporter... I see there are a couple of them on here but I have yet to actually meet one in person. I don't understand where all these votes are coming from? I have talked with a lot of students on campus as well. The funny thing is that the requirements for a name to make the final vote are nowhere to be found in the name "Fighting Hawks." 

Here is the list of nickname trait requirements:

• Representative of state/region (Ok, our state has Hawks, so does every other state)
• Honor past/look to future (Just because it has "Fighting" in it doesn't mean it honors our past. You can add "Fighting" to anything.)
• Promote pride, strength, fierceness, passion (this is a personal opinion)
• Sense of community/connectedness (Definitely isn't going to bring us all together)
• Intimidation to competitors (Well then we should be intimidated by many teams given the popular use of any Hawk name)
• Unique, recognizable, distinctly UND (Not even close)
• Formidable/fierce (once again, personal opinion)
• Inspiring, unforgettable (Not even close)
• Beautiful/classy (Hawks are beautiful animals, I will agree with that)

If you can make the case that Fighting Hawks represents these traits with GOOD reasoning then I'm all ears...

i think the problem is there weren't any choices that met all those criteria.  Plus, a lot of those points  the committee came up with are purely opinions or silly.  That's why I voted Nodaks in the hopes something representative of UND and ND could've evolved. 

Let's try the same exercise for Roughriders:

• Representative of state/region (Nope, Roughriders are either horseback riders from anywhere on earth, or else Teddy's southwestern US cavalry)
• Honor past/look to future (Nope, Roughriders were not from here.  Unless we want to honor an award started in the 1960s.  But why would we honor an honor?  makes no sense)
• Promote pride, strength, fierceness, passion (agreed, this is a personal opinion)
• Sense of community/connectedness (agreed, Definitely isn't going to bring us all together)
• Intimidation to competitors (this point is just silly.  no college athlete has ever been intimidated by a logo or name)
• Unique, recognizable, distinctly UND (There's some nice RR merchandise on sale at Red River High School.  and plenty of cowboys on horseback in the ncaa)
• Formidable/fierce (agreed, once again, personal opinion)
• Inspiring, unforgettable (personal opinion, and another silly criteria)
• Beautiful/classy (Old guys on ponies are not beautiful, but could possibly be classy?)

[bigskyvikes]

I have seriously not met one person who is a Fighting Hawks supporter... I see there are a couple of them on here but I have yet to actually meet one in person. I don't understand where all these votes are coming from? I have talked with a lot of students on campus as well. The funny thing is that the requirements for a name to make the final vote are nowhere to be found in the name "Fighting Hawks." 

Here is the list of nickname trait requirements:

• Representative of state/region (Ok, our state has Hawks, so does every other state)
• Honor past/look to future (Just because it has "Fighting" in it doesn't mean it honors our past. You can add "Fighting" to anything.)
• Promote pride, strength, fierceness, passion (this is a personal opinion)
• Sense of community/connectedness (Definitely isn't going to bring us all together)
• Intimidation to competitors (Well then we should be intimidated by many teams given the popular use of any Hawk name)
• Unique, recognizable, distinctly UND (Not even close)
• Formidable/fierce (once again, personal opinion)
• Inspiring, unforgettable (Not even close)
• Beautiful/classy (Hawks are beautiful animals, I will agree with that)

If you can make the case that Fighting Hawks represents these traits with GOOD reasoning then I'm all ears...

Must be a conspiracy then? Dam Kelley, he did it again! There is no way more people then who you talked with could've voted for FH!

[obborg]

I don't understand where all these votes are coming from?

The very idea of an online election is a godsend to any potential election manipulators.  Is there anyone left out there who completely trusts those in charge?

[The Sicatoka]

The very idea of an online election is a godsend to any potential election manipulators.  Is there anyone left out there who completely trusts those in charge?

"I can get you any result you like. What's it worth to you?" -- the stranger from the cloud of smoke (Garden of Allah, Don Henley)

[CMSioux]

I have seriously not met one person who is a Fighting Hawks supporter... I see there are a couple of them on here but I have yet to actually meet one in person. I don't understand where all these votes are coming from? I have talked with a lot of students on campus as well. The funny thing is that the requirements for a name to make the final vote are nowhere to be found in the name "Fighting Hawks." 

Here is the list of nickname trait requirements:

• Representative of state/region (Ok, our state has Hawks, so does every other state)
• Honor past/look to future (Just because it has "Fighting" in it doesn't mean it honors our past. You can add "Fighting" to anything.)
• Promote pride, strength, fierceness, passion (this is a personal opinion)
• Sense of community/connectedness (Definitely isn't going to bring us all together)
• Intimidation to competitors (Well then we should be intimidated by many teams given the popular use of any Hawk name)
• Unique, recognizable, distinctly UND (Not even close)
• Formidable/fierce (once again, personal opinion)
• Inspiring, unforgettable (Not even close)
• Beautiful/classy (Hawks are beautiful animals, I will agree with that)

If you can make the case that Fighting Hawks represents these traits with GOOD reasoning then I'm all ears...

Why isn't any member of the media reviewing this list with a spokesperson from UND in regards to "Fighting Hawks"? 

[ClassB]

No I don't 

Anything is possible Especially if people want it & stand behind it

You're like the Sioux forever crowd, except you're digging in your heels about 10 years too late, and what you're fighting for has no relation to the university.

[UND1981]

I'm not ready to concede the victory for FH.  I think I have 2 family members (wife's family) ready to switch over to RR. 

[Siouxperfan7]

Here is the list of nickname trait requirements:

• Representative of state/region 
• Honor past/look to future 
• Promote pride, strength, fierceness, passion 
• Sense of community/connectedness 
• Intimidation to competitors
• Unique, recognizable, distinctly UND
• Formidable/fierce 
• Inspiring, unforgettable 
• Beautiful/classy 

When the initial cut was made to 63 and forwarded on to the committee, every one of those 63 names should have been rated based on the criteria listed above. The committee failed to hold to the very standards they came up with.  Had they actually followed their own criteria, the names that were eventually narrowed down to vote on would be most likely met with more of a positive response.  

 

[jdub27]

When the initial cut was made to 63 and forwarded on to the committee, every one of those 63 names should have been rated based on the criteria listed above. The committee failed to hold to the very standards they came up with.  Had they actually followed their own criteria, the names that were eventually narrowed down to vote on would be most likely met with more of a positive response.  

The committee actually did this with a -1, 0, +1 ranking system taking each quality/characteristic into consideration for each of the final 7 names individually.  There even had a fancy score sheet that laid everything out! Roughriders came in 1st. Fighting Hawks came in 5th (one point behind Nodaks).  "No nickname" came in dead last by a very large margin.

[Siouxphan27]

Here is the list of nickname trait requirements:

• Representative of state/region 
• Honor past/look to future 
• Promote pride, strength, fierceness, passion 
• Sense of community/connectedness 
• Intimidation to competitors
• Unique, recognizable, distinctly UND
• Formidable/fierce 
• Inspiring, unforgettable 
• Beautiful/classy 

When the initial cut was made to 63 and forwarded on to the committee, every one of those 63 names should have been rated based on the criteria listed above. The committee failed to hold to the very standards they came up with.  Had they actually followed their own criteria, the names that were eventually narrowed down to vote on would be most likely met with more of a positive response.  

 

 absolutely.     Or even take it a step further and from the very get go eliminate names that didn't meet criteria and talk about why some names do meet the criteria so all would understand.  You know, actually have a discussion rather than raising their hand every once in awhile for a name they personally liked.

[SWSiouxMN]

 absolutely.     Or even take it a step further and from the very get go eliminate names that didn't meet criteria and talk about why some names do meet the criteria so all would understand.  You know, actually have a discussion rather than raising their hand every once in awhile for a name they personally liked.

or use a clicker....

 

[Siouxperfan7]

 absolutely.     Or even take it a step further and from the very get go eliminate names that didn't meet criteria and talk about why some names do meet the criteria so all would understand.  You know, actually have a discussion rather than raising their hand every once in awhile for a name they personally liked.

That was the problem.  You a a room full of people that voted names up or down based on personal preference rather than actual laid out criteria.  This is where the process failed.  And failed miserably!!