82SiouxGuy Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 7 hours ago, bison73 said: Nothing to deflect. Its pretty straight forward IMO. If you want to extrapolate it to whatever conspiracy or scenario have at it. I find it amusing. I also find it amusing you resorted to that tact, which of course you had to because you dont have an answer. All you would of had to do was say you didnt know. Just like myself as I also have no idea where the rest of the money will come from at this juncture. I do know I sent in a donation for that exact purpose and was ear marked so. I know others who did as well. So Im not really concerned about where the extra will come from. There are many avenues where to raise the extra money. 350,000.00 is already taken care of. I wish you well in your fund raising efforts. Discussion is going on about something actually happening at NDSU (NDSU Athletics asking for money from students 2 years after saying that they wouldn't need more money for 5 years). NDSU apologist enters the discussion and tries to suggest that UND will do something similar without any evidence of it happening from any source. That is a deflection. You can decide whatever you want about the NDSU situation, but trying to shift the discussion to UND and get it away from NDSU is pure deflection. 1 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 Rob Port and the SayAnythingBlog chimes in: https://sayanythingblog.com/entry/ndsu-hits-students-with-request-for-a-34-percent-fee-increase/ Quote
Herd Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 NDSU's student fees are significantly less than UND's. After increasing NDSU's student fees by 34%, NDSU's student fee will still be, "significantly less than UNDs. If NDSU's student fees were $1, compared to UND's $250, and NDSU increased the fees to $5, the headline here would be . . . "NDSU increases student fees by %500!!!". A little disingenuous, don't you think? Take away? Just a bunch of idiots on this board making a mountain out of a mole hill. NDSU student fees will still be a great value compared to other area universities. Why is NDSU doing this? It's low hanging fruit that just sitting there for the taking, so take it and put it to use. The fees for students are increasing, but they will still be relatively low. 2 Quote
UND1983 Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, Herd said: NDSU's student fees are significantly less than UND's. After increasing NDSU's student fees by 34%, NDSU's student fee will still be, "significantly less than UNDs. If NDSU's student fees were $1, compared to UND's $250, and NDSU increased the fees to $5, the headline here would be . . . "NDSU increases student fees by %500!!!". A little disingenuous, don't you think? Take away? Just a bunch of idiots on this board making a mountain out of a mole hill. NDSU student fees will still be a great value compared to other area universities. Why is NDSU doing this? It's low hanging fruit that just sitting there for the taking, so take it and put it to use. The fees for students are increasing, but they will still be relatively low. Why do they suddenly need it, though? Hint: notice they will NEVER say FCOA? Timing is the problem. Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 42 minutes ago, Herd said: NDSU's student fees are significantly less than UND's. After increasing NDSU's student fees by 34%, NDSU's student fee will still be, "significantly less than UNDs. If NDSU's student fees were $1, compared to UND's $250, and NDSU increased the fees to $5, the headline here would be . . . "NDSU increases student fees by %500!!!". A little disingenuous, don't you think? Take away? Just a bunch of idiots on this board making a mountain out of a mole hill. NDSU student fees will still be a great value compared to other area universities. Why is NDSU doing this? It's low hanging fruit that just sitting there for the taking, so take it and put it to use. The fees for students are increasing, but they will still be relatively low. So you are advocating that NDSU should take the student fees "because they can". That seems to be a great way to build trust with the student body. How about giving an honest reason for needing them? I don't care if it's $1 or $1,000, the school should provide a legitimate use for the money, not just some vague possibilities. Show a need for the money instead of claiming that they will still be a great deal even after the increase. I'm not quite sure how you maintain the right to post on this board with your insults. 2 Quote
Cratter Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 Hey at least Herd is honest. It is because "because they can." What we also know is NDSU's athletic budget will need to increase because of FCOA (Private donations aren't a long term solution). 2 Quote
Popular Post jdub27 Posted January 29, 2016 Popular Post Posted January 29, 2016 4 hours ago, Herd said: NDSU's student fees are significantly less than UND's. After increasing NDSU's student fees by 34%, NDSU's student fee will still be, "significantly less than UNDs. If NDSU's student fees were $1, compared to UND's $250, and NDSU increased the fees to $5, the headline here would be . . . "NDSU increases student fees by %500!!!". A little disingenuous, don't you think? Take away? Just a bunch of idiots on this board making a mountain out of a mole hill. NDSU student fees will still be a great value compared to other area universities. Why is NDSU doing this? It's low hanging fruit that just sitting there for the taking, so take it and put it to use. The fees for students are increasing, but they will still be relatively low. They were, but they won't be. NDSU's student fees will also make up a larger percent of their athletic budget than at UND after the increase. Not to mention NDSU already costs more to attend than UND. The real take away is that there is people getting some enjoyment out of watching a bunch of FargoU supporters with zero answers to relevant questions just a few months after watching them pound their chest about having an athletic department that is supposedly flush with cash that all of the sudden needs to over double the amount they are getting from their students ($1.4million increased to $2.9-3.0million). But don't feel bad that you don't have answers, the athletic representatives really didn't either. As for low hanging fruit, taking money from the student body "just because" is an absolutely terrible reason for increasing fees, not to mention when they are trying to do it 2 years into a 5 year agreement. It is the (lack of) reasoning and the timing that is the problem, not what they are actually doing. 5 Quote
bison73 Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 17 minutes ago, Cratter said: Hey at least Herd is honest. It is because "because they can." What we also know is NDSU's athletic budget will need to increase because of FCOA (Private donations aren't a long term solution). Ticket prices. 5.00 x 14000 = 70,000 x 6 games = 420,000. Thats just a start. Quote
Cratter Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, bison73 said: Ticket prices. 5.00 x 14000 = 70,000 x 6 games = 420,000. Thats just a start. or athletic fees. Are both of those proposed or just one? Quote
bison73 Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Dont know. My tickets have gone up every year. Dont know what they will be this year. My post was just an idea in regards to long term financing in which you were questioning. Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 1 minute ago, bison73 said: Ticket prices. 5.00 x 14000 = 70,000 x 6 games = 420,000. Thats just a start. More guessing on your part or has anyone from the NDSU Athletic Department actually said they were going to do that? Guessing doesn't count. If they did I could say that UND might add $4 to each hockey ticket. $4 X 9,000 X 20 = $720,000. Wow, I just paid for FCOA. Quote
bison73 Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, 82SiouxGuy said: More guessing on your part or has anyone from the NDSU Athletic Department actually said they were going to do that? Guessing doesn't count. If they did I could say that UND might add $4 to each hockey ticket. $4 X 9,000 X 20 = $720,000. Wow, I just paid for FCOA. Im good with that. Quote
Cratter Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 5 minutes ago, 82SiouxGuy said: More guessing on your part or has anyone from the NDSU Athletic Department actually said they were going to do that? Guessing doesn't count. If they did I could say that UND might add $4 to each hockey ticket. $4 X 9,000 X 20 = $720,000. Wow, I just paid for FCOA. Wow, can we do that every year?! Quote
bison73 Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 22 minutes ago, Cratter said: Wow, can we do that every year?! Why not. All you have to do is ear mark those funds. Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 2 hours ago, bison73 said: Im good with that. But you seem to have a problem with another guess that NDSU trying to grab another $1.5 million from student fees might also be used to cover FCOA. That guess has at least as much validity since NDSU has announced that they are interested in increasing fees, while no one has announced that NDSU is increasing football ticket prices. Quote
Texas rancher Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 4 minutes ago, 82SiouxGuy said: But you seem to have a problem with another guess that NDSU trying to grab another $1.5 million from student fees might also be used to cover FCOA. That guess has at least as much validity since NDSU has announced that they are interested in increasing fees, while no one has announced that NDSU is increasing football ticket prices. This tearing you up inside? Can't sleep at night? You sound like a jealous little brother. 3 Quote
bison73 Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 1 minute ago, 82SiouxGuy said: But you seem to have a problem with another guess that NDSU trying to grab another $1.5 million from student fees might also be used to cover FCOA. That guess has at least as much validity since NDSU has announced that they are interested in increasing fees, while no one has announced that NDSU is increasing football ticket prices. Problem? No. As I dont think thats where it will go. You can guess differently as that fits your narrative. As far as increased tickets prices Ive never been notified when they increased the prices. Plus I dont think they have ever made a public announcement. But IMO they could increase them 10-15 bucks and I would be fine with it as I think our tickets are pretty affordable. Quote
Cratter Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Who wouldn't be jealous of NDSU making their students pay more to support athletics to try and get on par with UND. 3 Quote
jdub27 Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 What's strange is that there is no publicly known or logical reason travel costs would almost triple out of nowhere. Maybe they are going to soon need the extra money to fly their football team to conference games in places like Boone, Statesboro, Troy, Jonesboro, etc...? Quote
bison73 Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 13 minutes ago, Cratter said: Who wouldn't be jealous of NDSU making their students pay more to support athletics to try and get on par with UND. You mean on par with the student activity fees you charge? Hey thats what we are trying to do!!!!!!! Now you understand! Quote
Cratter Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 4 hours ago, bison73 said: You mean on par with the student activity fees you charge? Hey thats what we are trying to do!!!!!!! Now you understand! Hopefully, for NDSU, UND is thinking about increasing it fees. Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 40 minutes ago, Texas rancher said: This tearing you up inside? Can't sleep at night? You sound like a jealous little brother. Another NDSU troll trying to take a shot at someone with a nonsense post. Guess you can't just argue your case based on the merits. And being a little brother would be a first for me since I've been the oldest brother my whole life. Quote
gfhockey Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Isn't a lot of Und student fees for the wellness center Quote
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