Cost of Attendance

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

Bison fans + Math =

The chair of NDSU Math:

[North Dakota]

On 1/29/2016 at 1:05 AM, 82SiouxGuy said:

UND Student fees from https://und.edu/admissions/student-account-services/und-student-fees.cfm            $569.98 per semester or $1,140 per year

NDSU Student fees from https://www.ndsu.edu/admission/cost_tuition/cost/               $1,216 per year

UNI Student fees from https://www.uni.edu/tuition/2015-2016-undergraduate-tuition-fees                    $1,169 per year

USD Student fees from http://www.usd.edu/financial-affairs/business-office/tuition-and-fees/undergraduate               $1,125.6 per 12 credits University support fee plus $520.80 per 12 credits for General Activity fee

SDSU Student fees from https://www.sdstate.edu/admissions/financing/undergrad/cost/                     $1,920 per year

It appears that Hammersmith may be attempting to identify the amount of student fees that go to athletics (and I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the accuracy of the numbers put out by that USA Today annual report). These are the actual student fees as reported by each school's web site (with links to the pages for verification). It appears that NDSU students are already paying more in student fees overall than either UND or UNI, the Athletic Department just may not be getting as much. USD students seem to be getting the short end of the stick. I didn't post UNO's because they list every fee separately, but don't give enough explanation for all of them to know which need to be included for this discussion.

Actually the fees listed above are only the mandatory fees. There are additional course and program fees. I would expect the mandatory fees to be relatively equal. Obviously there will be much different course and program fees depending on the program.

[Guy in Fargo]

Might want to compare apples to apples and add in the $376 in fees for technology/Connect ND that is included in the NDSU numbers, but not UNDs.

[UND1983]

7 minutes ago, Guy in Fargo said:

Might want to compare apples to apples and add in the $376 in fees for technology/Connect ND that is included in the NDSU numbers, but not UNDs.

Just signed up to post that?  Sensitive issue in your world.  

Examples of costs supported by student fees include Student Government, Student Health, Bonds, Technology, Wellness, Memorial Union, Career Services, Substance Abuse Prevention Programming, Multicultural Student Services, Athletics, Student Success Center and the Judicial/Crisis Team.

Is that the same "technology"?

 

[bison73]

5 hours ago, darell1976 said:

Its for uh travel costs. Gotta get that oil change for the bus ride to places like Ft. Wayne State or Brookings College.

Air vs Bus. Certain days of travel cost more on departure and return. Wanting to play more away games for baseball, softball in the early spring. Not to mention golf and outdoor track. Hotels and meal costs are rising constantly. Those are just a few.

[bison73]

5 hours ago, darell1976 said:

Its for uh travel costs. Gotta get that oil change for the bus ride to places like Ft. Wayne State or Brookings College.

I think we just played USC. Hardly a comparison to Brookings.

[Guy in Fargo]

https://und.edu/admissions/student-account-services/tuition-rates.cfm

Mandatory fees support costs that are associated with services, activities, facilities and infrastructure that support students outside the classroom.

These mandatory fee amounts are included in the tuition costs listed above.

• UND Student Fees - $569.98 per semester (max)
• Technology Fee - $72 per semester (max) 
• Connect ND Fees - $66 per semester (max)
• NDSA Fee - $0.36 per semester (max)

[lawkota]

Here's apples to apples:

NDSU Tuition and mandatory fees - $7,978

UND Tuition and mandatory fees - $7,965

NDSU Basic Housing/Meals - $7,502

UND Basic Housing/Meals - $7,454

Both schools have program fees and course fees for different programs and classes. 

UND Students that want to go to men's hockey have to pay $10/game so that pushes the total cost up for those 2,000 or so students.

[UND1983]

3 minutes ago, bison73 said:

Air vs Bus. Certain days of travel cost more on departure and return. Wanting to play more away games for baseball, softball in the early spring. Not to mention golf and outdoor track. Hotels and meal costs are rising constantly. Those are just a few.

So all of the sudden this year they became too expensive deal with?  Nothing has changed for NDSU.  Same programs, same costs as every other college has to endure.  Do they go up at times, yep.  So does everyone elses.  Once again - why this year?

1 minute ago, bison73 said:

I think we just played USC. Hardly a comparison to Brookings.

You played USC...in what?

 

 

[UND1983]

3 minutes ago, Guy in Fargo said:

https://und.edu/admissions/student-account-services/tuition-rates.cfm

Mandatory fees support costs that are associated with services, activities, facilities and infrastructure that support students outside the classroom.

These mandatory fee amounts are included in the tuition costs listed above.

• UND Student Fees - $569.98 per semester (max)
• Technology Fee - $72 per semester (max) 
• Connect ND Fees - $66 per semester (max)
• NDSA Fee - $0.36 per semester (max)

So we are talking $708.36 for UND vs. $607.86 for NDSU?  

[bison73]

19 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

19 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

So all of the sudden this year they became too expensive deal with?  Nothing has changed for NDSU.  Same programs, same costs as every other college has to endure.  Do they go up at times, yep.  So does everyone elses.  Once again - why this year?

You played USC...in what?

 

 

So all of the sudden this year they became too expensive deal with?  Nothing has changed for NDSU.  Same programs, same costs as every other college has to endure.  Do they go up at times, yep.  So does everyone elses.  Once again - why this year?

You played USC...in what?

 

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As I said--wanting to add games. Leaving and returning on different days.  As far as raising it this year//// Why not?

We played USC in baseball or softball. We won one game from what I heard. Will check if it makes a difference to you.

 

I was wrong it was Stanford in WSB.  But FYI expenses change every year. Especially with travel. Here is the the preseason away shedule for WSB this year. It costs money to do this.

Fri.	2/12/2016		University of Arkansas	Austin, Texas	L 4-8  Box Score	Details
Fri.	2/12/2016		University of North Carolina	Austin, Texas	L 0-9 (6 innings)  Box Score	Details
Sat.	2/13/2016		University of Arkansas	Austin, Texas	W 7-2  Box Score	Details
Sat.	2/13/2016		University of North Carolina	Austin, Texas	W 5-2  Box Score	Details
Sun.	2/14/2016		University of Texas	Austin, Texas	L 2-3  Box Score	Details
Stanford Nike Invitational
Fri.	2/19/2016		Saint Mary's College of California	Stanford, Calif.	W 5-1  Box Score	Details
Fri.	2/19/2016		Stanford University	Stanford, Calif.	W 9-1 (5 innings)  Box Score	Details
Sat.	2/20/2016		Saint Mary's College of California	Stanford, Calif.	W 8-0 (5 innings)  Box Score	Details
Sat.	2/20/2016		Long Beach State University	Stanford, Calif.	L 1-2 (8 innings)  Box Score	Details
Sun.	2/21/2016		Long Beach State University	Stanford, Calif.	L 1-8  Box Score	Details
Louisville Red & Black Classic
Sat.	2/27/2016		University of Louisville	Louisville, Ky.	2 p.m.	Details
Sat.	2/27/2016		Kent State University	Louisville, Ky.	4 p.m.	Details
Sun.	2/28/2016		Cleveland State University	Louisville, Ky.	10 a.m.	Details
Sun.	2/28/2016		Kent State University	Louisville, Ky.	12 p.m.	Details
Alabama Easton Crimson Classic
Fri.	3/4/2016		DePaul University	Tuscaloosa, Ala.	11 a.m.	Details
Fri.	3/4/2016		University of Alabama	Tuscaloosa, Ala.	6 p.m.	Details
Sat.	3/5/2016		University of Alabama	Tuscaloosa, Ala.	4 p.m.	Details
Sat.	3/5/2016		University of Louisiana at Monroe	Tuscaloosa, Ala.	6 p.m.	Details
Sun.	3/6/2016		DePaul University	Tuscaloosa, Ala.	11 a.m.	Details
Hawai'i Spring Fling Tournament
Wed.	3/9/2016		Baylor University	Honolulu, Hawaii	7:30 p.m.	Details
Thu.	3/10/2016		University of California	Honolulu, Hawaii	7:30 p.m.	Details
Fri.	3/11/2016		Baylor University	Honolulu, Hawaii	7:30 p.m.	Details
Fri.	3/11/2016		University of Hawaii	Honolulu, Hawaii	10 p.m.	Details
Sat.	3/12/2016		University of California	Honolulu, Hawaii	2 p.m.	Details
Sat.	3/12/2016		University of Hawaii	Honolulu, Hawaii	6 p.m.	Details
Maryland Invitational
Fri.	3/18/2016		Binghamton University	College Park, Md.	1:15 p.m.	Details
Fri.	3/18/2016		University of Maryland	College Park, Md.	5:45 p.m.	Details
Sat.	3/19/2016		University of Massachusetts	College Park, Md.	10:15 a.m.	Details
Sat.	3/19/2016		Boston University	College Park, Md.	12:30 p.m.	Details
Sun.	3/20/2016		Binghamton University	College Park, Md.	12:30 p.m.	Details
Sat.	3/26/2016		Iowa State University	Ames, Iowa	12 p.m.	Details
Sat.	3/26/2016		Iowa State University	Ames, Iowa

[jdub27]

23 minutes ago, bison73 said:

I was wrong it was Stanford in WSB.  But FYI expenses change every year. Especially with travel. Here is the the preseason away shedule for WSB this year. It costs money to do this.

Of course they change year to year depending on where/who you are playing, but they don't just randomly go from $1.4 million (budgeted) to just short of $4 million (projected) in 3 years.

Also, the WSB gets travel offsets from the big schools to come play those games, they don't foot the whole bill.

 

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, bison73 said:

I think we just played USC. Hardly a comparison to Brookings.

What? What "we" you talking about? Surely not the Bison. 

North Dakota Baseball played Southern California. And UND won 2 of 3 in Los Angeles. 

[The Sicatoka]

47 minutes ago, bison73 said:

I was wrong it was Stanford in WSB.  But FYI expenses change every year. Especially with travel. Here is the the preseason away shedule for WSB this year. It costs money to do this.

Oh yeah, the UND WSB schedule is far less travel ... not. 

http://www.undsports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13500&SPID=6392&SPSID=58593&DB_OEM_ID=13500

You're bailing water but the boat keeps sinkin'.

[The Sicatoka]

21 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

... they don't just randomly go from $1.4 million (budgeted) to just short of $4 million (projected) in 3 years

There's (as they say in the business) the money shot:
NDSU told their students they had a five year plan, and came back for more in two years. 

Yes, the NDSU students should question what happened, what changed, or who flat out can't estimate and budget. 

[darell1976]

1 hour ago, bison73 said:

Air vs Bus. Certain days of travel cost more on departure and return. Wanting to play more away games for baseball, softball in the early spring. Not to mention golf and outdoor track. Hotels and meal costs are rising constantly. Those are just a few.

But the SL is cheaper than the Big Sky since they can bus it to most of the teams (common Bison fan excuse not to join the BSC). So now travel expenses are a problem. When was the last time NDSU started the baseball/softball season at home and not a 20-30 game road trip? It happens every year to all teams up here. It's called winter and it messes with the baseball/softball schedule every year so that's why home games are roughly 2 months after opening day.

[bison73]

15 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Oh yeah, the UND WSB schedule is far less travel ... not. 

http://www.undsports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13500&SPID=6392&SPSID=58593&DB_OEM_ID=13500

You're bailing water but the boat keeps sinkin'.

Not comparing NDSU to UND. No bailing needed. .

[bison73]

10 minutes ago, darell1976 said:

But the SL is cheaper than the Big Sky since they can bus it to most of the teams. So now travel expenses are a problem. When was the last time NDSU started the baseball/softball season at home and not a 20-30 game road trip? It happens every year to all teams up here. It's called winter and it messes with the baseball/softball schedule every year so that's why home games are roughly 2 months after opening day.

 

20 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

There's (as they say in the business) the money shot:
NDSU told their students they had a five year plan, and came back for more in two years. 

Yes, the NDSU students should question what happened, what changed, or who flat out can't estimate and budget. 

The student can challenge what ever they want. Not an issue with me. Asking for more money not an issue either. If its an issue with you fine.Thats your deal. Explanations were given. You dont want to believe it?? Then make something up to fit your narrative that you want.

Its not like we didnt know you wouldnt pitch a fit about it. LOL

[82SiouxGuy]

2 hours ago, North Dakota said:

Actually the fees listed above are only the mandatory fees. There are additional course and program fees. I would expect the mandatory fees to be relatively equal. Obviously there will be much different course and program fees depending on the program.

Of course those are just the mandatory fees. Each individual will be different because of their program and the choices they make. These numbers were posted because NDSU fans keep posting claims that UND student fees were higher than NDSU student fees, and that the student fee increase that NDSU is trying to implement is only going to bring the NDSU total up to the same range as UND. These NDSU claims are false, as is proven by comparing the rates shown on each school's individual web site.

[Jackie Treehorn]

10 minutes ago, bison73 said:

 

 

Its not like we didnt know you wouldnt pitch a fit about it. LOL

Sorry to get off topic but...they teach triple negatives at NDSU?  Haha, that is brutal bud.

[Guy in Fargo]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

So we are talking $708.36 for UND vs. $607.86 for NDSU?  

Per semester.

 

 

[The Sicatoka]

6 hours ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

Bison fans + Math =

It extends beyond the fans apparently. 

http://www.inforum.com/news/3947253-ndsus-64-million-budget-cut-plan-sent-system-office-has-just-one-line 

One line item saves having to do all that fancy cypherin'.

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, bison73 said:

The student can challenge what ever they want. Not an issue with me. Asking for more money not an issue either. If its an issue with you fine.Thats your deal. Explanations were given. You dont want to believe it?? Then make something up to fit your narrative that you want.

Its not like we didnt know you wouldnt pitch a fit about it. LOL

The explanation were they didn't know their travel costs were going to almost triple but now they need more money 2 years into a 5 year deal. Real quality and in-depth.

From the half-ass presentation and lack of actual explanations, it didn't look like the athletic department reps thought the students would pitch a fit about it either.

[bison73]

41 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

The explanation were they didn't know their travel costs were going to almost triple but now they need more money 2 years into a 5 year deal. Real quality and in-depth.

From the half-ass presentation and lack of actual explanations, it didn't look like the athletic department reps thought the students would pitch a fit about it either.

Yeah that presentation was pretty !@#!$ and didnt further their cause one bit.   Even though there is a lot going on behind the scenes they should have been better prepared.

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, bison73 said:

Yeah that presentation was pretty !@#!$ and didnt further their cause one bit.   Even though there is a lot going on behind the scenes they should have been better prepared.

So your saying they asked for money but knowingly didn't disclose the actual reasons they need it?