Fargo the new Detroit??

[Oxbow6]

The ACA is Socialized Medicine Lite. When it dumped and will continue to dump tens of millions of people into the states Medicaid system with no real plan dollars wise to fund/ support those states (i.e. you think California has financial issues now) you get a watered down version of socialistic medicine/healthcare.

[wxman91]

The ACA is Socialized Medicine Lite. When it dumped and will continue to dump tens of millions of people into the states Medicaid system with no real plan dollars wise to fund/ support those states (i.e. you think California has financial issues now) you get a watered down version of socialistic medicine/healthcare.

 

And the alternative is...?

 

California is running a surplus.  Kansas is the state you are thinking of.

[GeauxSioux]

I just learned last week that our current insurance plan is going to go up 40% and this is with a $4,000 deductible.

 

I still can't get past how we got the ACA.  All of the Washington 2-step getting it passed or "deemed approved" at some point, as a fee and then Roberts comes out and says that it okay, because it was a tax, not a fee.  If is is a tax, doesn't the bill have to start from the House and not the Senate?  The current Supreme Court has gutted the constitution and doing whatever the hell they want to do.  As Scalia said, words no longer have meaning.

[wxman91]

I would love to buy you a one way ticket to Greece.........first class no less. I insist.

 

Greece has a whole host of other issues including the failure to actually collect taxes to keep their system going.  They are tipped too far, as is Italy and Spain. 

[GeauxSioux]

Yes, because eliminating the for-profit middlemen and having the government negotiate directly with the private sector providers on behalf of the 300M+ Americans is the equivalent to walking around calling each other comrade.

Yes, the government has done a fine job of running the VA, we should have them do all of healthcare.

[wxman91]

Yes, the government has done a fine job of running the VA, we should have them do all of healthcare.

 

Cool, because that's exactly what I wrote.

[GeauxSioux]

Cool, because that's exactly what I wrote.

Yes, but one of us was serious and the other sarcastic.

[bigskyvikes]

Just thought I'd add studies not opinions.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/obamacare-doomsday-cult-struggles-to-adapt.html

[BIGSIOUX]

Just thought I'd add studies not opinions.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/obamacare-doomsday-cult-struggles-to-adapt.html

I need that popcorn emoji.

 

I work in healthcare, and cant see what the big fuss is about.  Yes, its made some of the things I do change, but just because its different doesn't mean worse.  I think most providers have trouble with that.

[bison73]

Just thought I'd add studies not opinions.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/obamacare-doomsday-cult-struggles-to-adapt.html

 

My wifes  premium quote before Oscamacare 300.00 a month. After Oscama was implemented 800.00 plus. We took the COBRA option which was cheaper and better insurance. WHO ever takes the COBRA option. It rarely happens. After 18 months the Cobra ran out so we were at the mercy of the rigged ASA market. 849.00 a month. Of course NOW my wife has maternity CARE and a host of other useless stuff we will never use.

So many lies involved in this scam.

[SooToo]

Just thought I'd add studies not opinions.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/obamacare-doomsday-cult-struggles-to-adapt.html

What the hell did you do that for? This discussion was progressing so nicely with smoke, mirrors and invective.

[bigskyvikes]

My wifes premium quote before Oscamacare 300.00 a month. After Oscama was implemented 800.00 plus. We took the COBRA option which was cheaper and better insurance. WHO ever takes the COBRA option. It rarely happens. After 18 months the Cobra ran out so we were at the mercy of the rigged ASA market. 849.00 a month. Of course NOW my wife has maternity CARE and a host of other useless stuff we will never use.

So many lies involved in this scam.

That study talks to your situation. I wouldn't need to read it to know that if you had family health insurance for $300 a month, it was garbage...

I pay $139 a week for my family health insurance, before the ACA my premiums were........wait for it........$179 a week!

To find that article above I Googled, is the ACA working. It had 3 pages of success stories before the first doomsday writing?

[Sioux-cia]

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2015/07/do-doctors-really-hate-obamacare.html

[bison73]

That study talks to your situation. I wouldn't need to read it to know that if you had family health insurance for $300 a month, it was garbage...

I pay $139 a week for my family health insurance, before the ACA my premiums were........wait for it........$179 a week!

To find that article above I Googled, is the ACA working. It had 3 pages of success stories before the first doomsday writing?

 

 

Absolutely incorrect on the garbage comment. It wasn't family. It was for one person. Insurance paid 80%. us 20%. The 800 plus is for one person is a gold plan.

So you have a Bronze plan I take it. If not you are subsidized or have group.

 

That study talks to your situation. I wouldn't need to read it to know that if you had family health insurance for $300 a month, it was garbage...

I pay $139 a week for my family health insurance, before the ACA my premiums were........wait for it........$179 a week!

To find that article above I Googled, is the ACA working. It had 3 pages of success stories before the first doomsday writing?

 

You need to do more research. There are articles almost everyday on how the ACA is negatively effecting people.

One of the best ones is Oscama is going to start penalizing people who have too good insurance. Yep they are going to fine people or companies where the premium exceeds certain limits. So its going to force companies to offer crappy insurance so the employees have a greater out of pocket expense. Great stuff .

[bison73]

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/06/obamacare-the-reason-for-big-rate-hikes-merger-mania.html

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertlaszewski2/2015/06/29/why-the-affordable-care-act-isnt-here-to-stay/

 

The hits keep on rolling----

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nextavenue/2015/07/05/for-many-obamacare-is-becoming-the-unaffordable-care-act/

Obamacare’s “Cadillac Tax,” which takes effect in 2018, is encouraging employers to switch to high-deductible plans so employees will share more of their health care costs. It’s a 40% excise tax on health benefits companies provide beyond a certain threshold — $10,200 for singles and $27,500 for families in 2018. (The average premium last year was $6,025 for singles and $16,834 for families, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.)
A recent Politico.com story, which called the Cadillac tax “the next big Obamacare battle” said the benefits consulting firm Mercer estimates that roughly a third of employers will owe the Cadillac tax in 2018 — and roughly 60% in 2022 — if they don’t change their plans.
Says Fronstein: “The Cadillac tax will drive more and more employers to adopt plans that raise the deductibles and lower premiums.”
Employees in high-deductible plans are seeing huge increases in out-of-pocket costs and some are trimming medical care as a result. The Truven study says CDHP members saw a 69% increase in claims-based, out-of-pocket costs over three years compared to a 23% increase for non-CDHP members. Also, it notes, after switching to CDHPs, members had fewer medical visits and lab services, smaller supplies of prescription drugs than expected if they’d stayed in non-CDHP plans and were less likely to receive care for existing chronic conditions than their non-CDHP counterparts.
Similarly, the Commonwealth Fund report said 44% of underinsured adults reported not getting needed medical care in the past year because of the cost. It also found that 41% with deductibles of $3,000 or more reported problems paying their medical bills or were paying off medical debt.
Meantime, health costs are outpacing inflation. Health care prices have risen 15.6% since December 2007, while consumer prices overall increased by 11.1%, according to the Altarum Institute. Some health insurers are proposing premium hikes of 15 to 35% in 2016, according to the Obama Administration.
And many people buying insurance through the Obamacare exchanges are facing unexpected medical bills that sometimes greatly exceed the Affordable Care Act’s caps on out-of-pocket expenses, according to a recent Wall Street Journal article.




Isnt that wonderful. Taxing companies who provide great insurance to their employees so the employees have to pay more out of pocket. .

 

[bison73]

Contrary to goals, ER visits rise under Obamacare


Three-quarters of emergency physicians say they've seen ER patient visits surge since Obamacare took effect — just the opposite of what many Americans expected would happen. A poll released today by the American College of Emergency Physicians shows that 28% of 2,099 doctors surveyed nationally saw large increases in volume, while 47% saw slight increases. By contrast, fewer than half of doctors reported any increases last year in the early days of the Affordable Care Act.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-act/26625571/Interesting. Heres another article that looks at it different. But the same conclusion. Oscama care sucks.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102645955

 

http://www.newsmax.com/MichaelReagan.../26/id/640791/


"President Obama led by example when he promised us that if we liked our doctor, we could keep him. And now the entire Obamacare regime is dedicated to being, as Mark Twain put it, “economical with the truth.”

Of particular note is what is called Covered California from my home state. Sharyl Attkisson, of the Daily Signal, has written a two–part series that shows the lies are baked in at Obamacare California."

 

[Oxbow6]

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2015/07/do-doctors-really-hate-obamacare.html

Like most things one's political views shape one's opinion on the ACA. Having served on both state and national committee's in the process of it's development IMO the guts of the ACA were never exposed to the general public. I also work with it daily. Is there some good to the ACA...yes. Is there some bad...yes. The ACA is working for those people it was intended for when created.....outside of those people you will get mixed reviews and from my experience those reviews are mostly negative. Big picture long term is the bad will dwarf the good and it is a system that when it reaches its maximum roll out will not be sustainable in any way shape or form. This is just my opinion...but one not based on a Google search or blogs or tea leaves or worst yet complete ignorance and a total misunderstanding of the ACA itself.

And this just in......no shootings in the F-M area this morning.

[Oxbow6]

Contrary to goals, ER visits rise under Obamacare

Three-quarters of emergency physicians say they've seen ER patient visits surge since Obamacare took effect — just the opposite of what many Americans expected would happen. A poll released today by the American College of Emergency Physicians shows that 28% of 2,099 doctors surveyed nationally saw large increases in volume, while 47% saw slight increases. By contrast, fewer than half of doctors reported any increases last year in the early days of the Affordable Care Act.

This can not even be disputed.

Ask any nurse, PA or Dr that works in any ER and they will tell you this is fact. Then ask them what % of ER visits are truly "emergencies" and the # will be astounding. People who get healthcare on the government's dime, state or federal, or those with a nominal co-pay will use the ER as the primary care outlet vs establishing a relationship with a PCP.

[MafiaMan]

To find that article above I Googled, is the ACA working. It had 3 pages of success stories before the first doomsday writing?

What company was it that rigged their search engine to spit out "George Bush" and the war in Iraq when you typed in a search for "epic fail" several years ago? And what company was a HUGE supporter of Obama and Democrats in the past two elections?

I'll give you two hints: they're the same company and their name rhymes with "snoogle."

[bigskyvikes]

Lol....I got the same results from Bing just now! Are they in on the conspiracy? Or should I check on the Fox news search engine?

This is factcheck.com, not biased at all, seems like there are some needed tweeking, but so far successful. Just depends on how you want to see it.

IMHO, it is here to stay, but may get changes no matter who the next POTUS is..

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/obamas-health-care-boasts/

[bison73]

And the alternative is...?

 

California is running a surplus.  Kansas is the state you are thinking of.

 

Since when? It was on the news the other day they were broke---again.

[jimdahl]

This thread's been toeing the line for some time, but really went off the rails this weekend.  I rather hoped it would veer back on its own, but hasn't.

 

Can we drop the national politics?

[Fetch]

things are really getting dirty in Fargo http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/crime-and-courts/3808527-who-shot-street-sweeper-fargo-morning

[Oxbow6]

things are really getting dirty in Fargo http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/crime-and-courts/3808527-who-shot-street-sweeper-fargo-morning

On side note....in Dickinson on way to MT. White guy in baseball cap drives by in a Jeep. Licence plate on front a Confederate flag. Big sticker on back window say "Hands down. Don't loot".

Going say it might be awhile before Dickinson has an incident above similar to what happened in Fargo. Just my hunch.

And to my surprise not a single siting of Blue Hawks garb anywhere.

Go Fighting Hawks........

[Oxbow6]

45 gun violence homicides in Baltimore in July....highest since 1972. 189 shooting deaths to date.....up from last year's 119 but I see a slow down coming up in the months ahead with the the Confederate flag issue almost behind us.