UND92,96 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 There were many people on this board who questioned SDSU not continuing to go to Zenner. Let's not re-write history. Also, that 3 and out led to another possession and a touchdown for UND, which is what made the game look much closer than it was IMO. Zenner had 39 touches as it was, which I think Stiegelmeier would acknowledge is way too many. After his long touchdown run early in the fourth, he carried the ball six more times, for 1, 1, 6, 1, 3 and 2 yards. He was probably worn down from overuse, so giving it to him even more was not the answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Make up your mind fellas. Does comparative scoring matter or not. A loss is a loss right? And by the way, had SDSU coaches not had a stroke(figurative) and decided to abandon the run game in the second half. UND would have put up 14-21. These same coaches had another game this year where they were down only a touchdown after 3 quarters and they had only given their star running back the ball 4 times so it seems they might tend to outsmart themselves against teams other than UND as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Zenner had 39 touches as it was, which I think Stiegelmeier would acknowledge is way too many. After his long touchdown run early in the fourth, he carried the ball six more times, for 1, 1, 6, 1, 3 and 2 yards. He was probably worn down from overuse, so giving it to him even more was not the answer. And Goard ripped out Zenners soul on a blitz, after that play Zenner was not the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Zenner racked up 295 yards on 37 carries for an 8 yd average. I really wish Goard thought to rip out his soul a little earlier in the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Zenner racked up 295 yards on 37 carries for an 8 yd average. I really wish Goard thought to rip out his soul a little earlier in the game. Unfortunately he didn't really play until the 3rd quarter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Unfortunately he didn't really play until the 3rd quarter Which is one of the reasons we will have a different coaching staff next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeAreNorthDakota Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I want to see 4 or 5 wins and no blowout losses at the Alerus. That means improved play against Montana, Portland State, and NAU and I'd also like to see us win at least one game that we aren't supposed to. I don't remember a Mussman coached team ever beating a team that was significantly favored. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Mo. St. is definitely not a great team, but this year they certainly weren't the bottom feeder they have been in the past. Beat two teams ranked in the top 25 and put the highest point total of the season on NDSU's defense. It would have been a loss if UND matched up with Mo. St. this year IMO. I have no idea what they have coming back next year though so we'll see. http://www.missouris...otbl-sched.html Seems you have a lot higher opinion of them then the folks in Springfield. http://www.news-leader.com/article/20131121/SPORTS0401/311210074/Missouri-State-president-football-coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I want to see 4 or 5 wins and no blowout losses at the Alerus. That means improved play against Montana, Portland State, and NAU and I'd also like to see us win at least one game that we aren't supposed to. I don't remember a Mussman coached team ever beating a team that was significantly favored. No blowouts for sure. Also how bout beat a team we're 'supposed' to lose to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama Sue Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 More from Mama Sue, Being new to GF and UND 20 years ago, I was so, so very impressed. I told everyone I could how wonderful UND was and the whole extended community. I have some professional contact with Native Americans and I really promoted UND. For two years I have read these posts and I am appalled by the behavior. You need to know that this is really the lowest common denominator of behgavior for UND, the players, fans, alumni, and community in general. A "Fire Muss" sign? Then a joke? Really. Hats off to those of you who had the anatomy to stand up to this. Do you think this is what a quality program does? I look over these coaches and see young man and young families. How many of your wives would play single mother for weeks of more than 40 hours and then being gone recruiting? And then the public scorning? Hats off to the full coaching staff for sticking out the season and even trying to win a game? Add in some players who are, at best???, not mature/committed. Fun and games! The AD did what he had to do. His job was to get the HC through the season. Then make decisions. Have any or you EVER had to fire someone? Do you know how difficult that is? My God, I watched some of the post game shows and my heart went out to the guy. At any point, someone in the eye of the public gets put under a microscope. You can't do anything right. It is a vicious cyclone that you can not get out of and it gets worse. It happens to superintendents, hospital administrators, ministers, elected officials, and others. This is a bad situation and the people in it do not need to be told. The sharks cuircle without encouragement. I would hope in the future soeone can stand up to just plain inappropriate behavior and focus on doing something positive for the program These palyers and fans seem to be along way from what made UND football great. It is not all just the coaching. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 ban mama sue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 Some of the longest incohertent rambling with very little points I have ever read on these boards. No offense. Welcome to the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 More from Mama Sue, Being new to GF and UND 20 years ago, I was so, so very impressed. I told everyone I could how wonderful UND was and the whole extended community. I have some professional contact with Native Americans and I really promoted UND. For two years I have read these posts and I am appalled by the behavior. You need to know that this is really the lowest common denominator of behgavior for UND, the players, fans, alumni, and community in general. A "Fire Muss" sign? Then a joke? Really. Hats off to those of you who had the anatomy to stand up to this. Do you think this is what a quality program does? I look over these coaches and see young man and young families. How many of your wives would play single mother for weeks of more than 40 hours and then being gone recruiting? And then the public scorning? Hats off to the full coaching staff for sticking out the season and even trying to win a game? Add in some players who are, at best???, not mature/committed. Fun and games! The AD did what he had to do. His job was to get the HC through the season. Then make decisions. Have any or you EVER had to fire someone? Do you know how difficult that is? My God, I watched some of the post game shows and my heart went out to the guy. At any point, someone in the eye of the public gets put under a microscope. You can't do anything right. It is a vicious cyclone that you can not get out of and it gets worse. It happens to superintendents, hospital administrators, ministers, elected officials, and others. This is a bad situation and the people in it do not need to be told. The sharks cuircle without encouragement. I would hope in the future soeone can stand up to just plain inappropriate behavior and focus on doing something positive for the program These palyers and fans seem to be along way from what made UND football great. It is not all just the coaching. I think anyone that takes a coaching position at a D1 program (or any program for that matter) realizes that they will be analyzed, criticized, praised, hated loved, etc, etc, etc while they are coaching. It is the nature of the business. Being a head football coach is not the same as working a 9-5 job. You are in the spotlight. There are many people invested in the result of your work. Alumni, season ticket holders, boosters, and any fan that pays money to watch the product that you put on the field will have an opinion of you. Coaches know this. Muss is no exception. Was anything said on this thread or the "Fire Muss" disrespectful to Chris Mussman? I can't defend all the posts, but the overwhelming majority were peoples honest opinion of what they felt. A head coach knows that if the team they are coaching is not performing well, they are going to get criticism. After getting blown out 4 games at home and finishing 3-8, do you think Muss deserved praise? Many of us have been UND football fans for years. We are invested in the program. Whether it is our money towards donation or season tickets or just our interest in the team. We have the right to expect good things from our team. When you have a program rich in winning tradition and that team takes a huge step backwards under a certain coach, we have every right to criticize. I wish the best for Chris Mussman, his family, and all the other coaches and their families. I agree with your statement that sometimes it isn't always the coaches fault, but that is the nature of the beast in athletics. You can't fire the entire team. So you have to fire the person that is most accountable for the teams failure. Unfortunately, and sure sometimes unfairly, that has to be the coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBH2010 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 More from Mama Sue, Being new to GF and UND 20 years ago, I was so, so very impressed. I told everyone I could how wonderful UND was and the whole extended community. I have some professional contact with Native Americans and I really promoted UND. For two years I have read these posts and I am appalled by the behavior. You need to know that this is really the lowest common denominator of behgavior for UND, the players, fans, alumni, and community in general. A "Fire Muss" sign? Then a joke? Really. Hats off to those of you who had the anatomy to stand up to this. Do you think this is what a quality program does? I look over these coaches and see young man and young families. How many of your wives would play single mother for weeks of more than 40 hours and then being gone recruiting? And then the public scorning? Hats off to the full coaching staff for sticking out the season and even trying to win a game? Add in some players who are, at best???, not mature/committed. Fun and games! The AD did what he had to do. His job was to get the HC through the season. Then make decisions. Have any or you EVER had to fire someone? Do you know how difficult that is? My God, I watched some of the post game shows and my heart went out to the guy. At any point, someone in the eye of the public gets put under a microscope. You can't do anything right. It is a vicious cyclone that you can not get out of and it gets worse. It happens to superintendents, hospital administrators, ministers, elected officials, and others. This is a bad situation and the people in it do not need to be told. The sharks cuircle without encouragement. I would hope in the future soeone can stand up to just plain inappropriate behavior and focus on doing something positive for the program These palyers and fans seem to be along way from what made UND football great. It is not all just the coaching. The coaches are paid to put a team on the field that can compete and promote the school. They are not volunteers that are doing this out of the kindness of their hearts, they are paid. The way this team was performing a coaching change had to be made, however, I do feel bad that people had to get fired. I purchase season tickets and a champions club membership. I view these two purchases as an investment that will put a team on the field that is competitive, fun to watch, and will hopefully lead to the players not only receiving a great education from a wonderful school, but also make great memories that will last a lifetime. The way I saw it my investment was not worth my money and a smart investor will change up his game plan if an investment is not paying off. Firing the coaches is the change up we needed. Losing sucks, plain and simple. Do you think the players are having fun out there? They chose to come to this university to play football, most of them moving far away from family and friends. Playing on a losing team that is consistently being blown out causes fights in locker rooms and overall disappointment. College is supposed to be one of the best times in your life and I can guarantee these kids are having a horrible college experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Hardin is graduating this year as are most of the seniors - got a quality education, got to play football at a very high level, got their education paid for, moving ahead with their lives. Those that progressed toward their degree and either got it or will get it got what they came to UND for. I guarantee they aren't sayng their college expereience was horrible. Does the assumption follow that every player on every college team that had a losing season had a horrible college experience.- doubt it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Based on Geaux_Sioux's assessment of the last two recruiting classes, I expect next year's team to be stocked with young studs and much more competative. Maybe a year or two away, but much better than this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksioux Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 More from Mama Sue, Being new to GF and UND 20 years ago, I was so, so very impressed. I told everyone I could how wonderful UND was and the whole extended community. I have some professional contact with Native Americans and I really promoted UND. For two years I have read these posts and I am appalled by the behavior. You need to know that this is really the lowest common denominator of behgavior for UND, the players, fans, alumni, and community in general. A "Fire Muss" sign? Then a joke? Really. Hats off to those of you who had the anatomy to stand up to this. Do you think this is what a quality program does? I look over these coaches and see young man and young families. How many of your wives would play single mother for weeks of more than 40 hours and then being gone recruiting? And then the public scorning? Hats off to the full coaching staff for sticking out the season and even trying to win a game? Add in some players who are, at best???, not mature/committed. Fun and games! The AD did what he had to do. His job was to get the HC through the season. Then make decisions. Have any or you EVER had to fire someone? Do you know how difficult that is? My God, I watched some of the post game shows and my heart went out to the guy. At any point, someone in the eye of the public gets put under a microscope. You can't do anything right. It is a vicious cyclone that you can not get out of and it gets worse. It happens to superintendents, hospital administrators, ministers, elected officials, and others. This is a bad situation and the people in it do not need to be told. The sharks cuircle without encouragement. I would hope in the future soeone can stand up to just plain inappropriate behavior and focus on doing something positive for the program These palyers and fans seem to be along way from what made UND football great. It is not all just the coaching. Welcome to the internet! The reality is that siouxsports.com may be the most civil forum I've seen when it comes to anonymous posting on the internet. Have you ever read a political forum, or even the comments posted in an ordinary newspaper article? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 More from Mama Sue, Being new to GF and UND 20 years ago, I was so, so very impressed. I told everyone I could how wonderful UND was and the whole extended community. I have some professional contact with Native Americans and I really promoted UND. For two years I have read these posts and I am appalled by the behavior. You need to know that this is really the lowest common denominator of behgavior for UND, the players, fans, alumni, and community in general. A "Fire Muss" sign? Then a joke? Really. Hats off to those of you who had the anatomy to stand up to this. Do you think this is what a quality program does? I look over these coaches and see young man and young families. How many of your wives would play single mother for weeks of more than 40 hours and then being gone recruiting? And then the public scorning? Hats off to the full coaching staff for sticking out the season and even trying to win a game? Add in some players who are, at best???, not mature/committed. Fun and games! The AD did what he had to do. His job was to get the HC through the season. Then make decisions. Have any or you EVER had to fire someone? Do you know how difficult that is? My God, I watched some of the post game shows and my heart went out to the guy. At any point, someone in the eye of the public gets put under a microscope. You can't do anything right. It is a vicious cyclone that you can not get out of and it gets worse. It happens to superintendents, hospital administrators, ministers, elected officials, and others. This is a bad situation and the people in it do not need to be told. The sharks cuircle without encouragement. I would hope in the future soeone can stand up to just plain inappropriate behavior and focus on doing something positive for the program These palyers and fans seem to be along way from what made UND football great. It is not all just the coaching. Sorry wrong number - you're asking for maturity, integrity and common sense in the land of annonymous insults and demands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Sorry wrong number - you're asking for maturity, integrity and common sense in the land of annonymous insults and demands. If by demands you mean wanting a football team that doesn't give up 47 points in the first half to a conference rival, then I guess you are correct. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 All of you are speaking but all I hear is "Blah, blah blah ... " so I'll reply: Mongol General (aka The Sicatoka): Wrong! Conan! What is best in life? Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women. That is and always will be the expectation. We must return to executing upon it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 If by demands you mean wanting a football team that doesn't give up 47 points in the first half to a conference rival, then I guess you are correct. Nope not what I was referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama Sue Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 So does Sicatoka want the coaches, players or fans to rape, pillage, and burn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 So does Sicatoka want the coaches, players or fans to rape, pillage, and burn? None of that, just, "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share Posted November 23, 2013 Georgia Southern just beat the Flordia Gators....maybe this new coach can actually beat an FBS team....seems like everyone is doing it nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Seventh straight Gator loss. GSU attempted 3 passes and completed ... none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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