Conference Realignments - Take 2

[SIOUXFAN97]

5 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I believe they'll be a pair no matter what happens. 

for TV money would it make sense to take both?  splitting the money more ways for the same eyeballs?

[The Sicatoka]

34 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

for TV money would it make sense to take both?  splitting the money more ways for the same eyeballs?

Travel partners. 

See ... USC/UCLA. 

[SiouxScore]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

for TV money would it make sense to take both?  splitting the money more ways for the same eyeballs?

I think if they move both are far more likely for the Big 12 than the B1G.

Think adds Notre Dame and then the decision is do you want all 3 of Oregon, Stanford, and Washington to go to 20 or just 1 for 18 while waiting for some of those ACC teams to become free of their grant of rights a few years down the line.

[farce poobah]

3 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

Whose a better get ....aau U of Arizona but only in smallish Tucson?  or non aau ASU with the phoenix market????????

https://news.asu.edu/20220103-arizona-impact-asu-again-among-nations-top-research-universities
Arizona State is massive in research, non AAU most likely because they don’t have a medical school. 

[Nodak78]

5 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

This move by the B1G is as much about research dollars as media dollars. UCLA is top five in research spending. Taking USC/UCLA gets the B1G the LA media market and a huge new partner in the BTAA. (And USC is the bait to finally get Notre Dame to the B1G.) 

It also hardens them all up in the face of perilous economic futures, and demographic shifts, and an uncertain global political future. Inflation is here for a while and that will impact school budgets across the board. CA is the #1 exporter of college students and now the B1G has direct exposure to them (as their states' HS grad numbers slide). 

USC/UCLA jumped into a group that will ride this out and survive. 

The rest of us need to make a similar move.

Getting UND/NDSU, USD/SDSU, Montana/MontSU, Idaho together to form their own conference ... and research group ... would harden up that group of state name-brand schools. The group would have 8 US Senators looking out for them on Federal research. No, it's not BTAA, but it's strength in numbers. 

This is another argument why this group should break from the MVFC and BSC and band together. 

None of the Dakotas or montana schools have eyeballs.  We do have senators with Idaho 8.  That is huge for the schools.  Add in UNI and St. Thomas.  Pick another school to travel with Idaho.  We have numbers for research.

[nodakvindy]

6 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

This move by the B1G is as much about research dollars as media dollars. UCLA is top five in research spending. Taking USC/UCLA gets the B1G the LA media market and a huge new partner in the BTAA. (And USC is the bait to finally get Notre Dame to the B1G.) 

It also hardens them all up in the face of perilous economic futures, and demographic shifts, and an uncertain global political future. Inflation is here for a while and that will impact school budgets across the board. CA is the #1 exporter of college students and now the B1G has direct exposure to them (as their states' HS grad numbers slide). 

USC/UCLA jumped into a group that will ride this out and survive. 

The rest of us need to make a similar move.

Getting UND/NDSU, USD/SDSU, Montana/MontSU, Idaho together to form their own conference ... and research group ... would harden up that group of state name-brand schools. The group would have 8 US Senators looking out for them on Federal research. No, it's not BTAA, but it's strength in numbers. 

This is another argument why this group should break from the MVFC and BSC and band together. 

Add DU to the group as a geographic fit, academic powerhouse, and requisite private school to keep league matters out of the public record.

[FSSD]

1 hour ago, Nodak78 said:

None of the Dakotas or montana schools have eyeballs.  We do have senators with Idaho 8.  That is huge for the schools.  Add in UNI and St. Thomas.  Pick another school to travel with Idaho.  We have numbers for research.

Why UNI?  They bring nothing.

[Nodak78]

23 minutes ago, FSSD said:

Why UNI?  They bring nothing.

Two senators and travel partner with St. Thomas

[Nodak78]

1 hour ago, nodakvindy said:

Add DU to the group as a geographic fit, academic powerhouse, and requisite private school to keep league matters out of the public record.

When did DU start football.

[nodakvindy]

29 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:

When did DU start football.

What does that matter. And ideal setup is an even number of teams in all sports but odd in football.  That gives an even home road split for conference games each year. 

[Nodak78]

33 minutes ago, nodakvindy said:

What does that matter. And ideal setup is an even number of teams in all sports but odd in football.  That gives an even home road split for conference games each year. 

Denver,  lacrosse, sking, swimming.  Great fit.  Oh hockey I get it.  Montana and Idaho.

[The Sicatoka]

There are media reports claiming UU/CU/Az/ASU have meetings on Tuesday (7/5/22) with the Big XII. 

They'd be dumb not to with UW/UO admitting they've reached out to the B1G. That group needs to ensure they have a soft landing no matter where this round of realignment goes. 

[Nodak78]

2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

There are media reports claiming UU/CU/Az/ASU have meetings on Tuesday (7/5/22) with the Big XII. 

They'd be dumb not to with UW/UO admitting they've reached out to the B1G. That group needs to ensure they have a soft landing no matter where this round of realignment goes. 

Big XII is nervous.  Will it be the P3 or P4.       P5 is dead.

[The Sicatoka]

17 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:

Big XII is nervous.  

If the Big XII is nervous ... what are Wassu and OrSU? Flat terrified? 

Wassu and OrSU by comparison to the rest of the PAC have no media to offer and are in relatively remote locations*. Their best hope is the PAC holds or a soft landing in MWC. 

 

*No media, remote location ... heard that before somewhere. 

[Nodak78]

1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said:

If the Big XII is nervous ... what are Wassu and OrSU? Flat terrified? 

Wassu and OrSU by comparison to the rest of the PAC have no media to offer and are in relatively remote locations*. Their best hope is the PAC holds or a soft landing in MWC. 

 

*No media, remote location ... heard that before somewhere. 

Can you say Bizoooooon

[cberkas]

I see why Larry Scott is getting a lot of blame for USC and UCLA leaving and the end of the PAC 12

[FSSD]

2 hours ago, Nodak78 said:

Two senators and travel partner with St. Thomas

I assume you are talking about Senators because of research dollars.  If so, UNI has a very small research budget and the Senators are going to be more interested in protecting the Hawkeye and ISU than UNI.

Here are the research numbers for the PAC school in question:  Oregon and UND are on par for research spending which was kind of surprising to me.

Institution	2019
U. Washington, Seattle	5	1.4	1,425,601
U. Arizona	34	4.6	734,270
Arizona State U.	43	5.5	639,637
U. Utah, The	46	5.9	601,133
U. Colorado Boulder	52	6.5	513,822
Washington State U.	70	8.5	369,333
Oregon State U.	93	11.0	263,830
U. Oregon, Eugene	154	17.6	110,664

MW Schools:

Institution	2019
Colorado State U., Fort Collins	65	7.9	398,477
Utah State U.	86	10.2	283,917
U. New Mexico	103	12.0	239,696
U. Nevada, Reno	139	15.9	152,128
U. Nevada, Las Vegas	161	18.3	99,445
San Diego State U., San Diego	165	18.7	92,964
U. Wyoming	171	19.4	80,353
San Jose State U.	209	23.5	44,309
U.S. Air Force Academy	213	23.9	43,941
California State U., Fresno	357	39.5	8,599
U. Hawaii, Hilo	374	41.4	6,864

Various FCS Schools:

Institution	2019
U. California, Davis	30	4.1	804,282
Montana State U., Bozeman	135	15.5	154,811
North Dakota State U.	138	15.8	152,381
U. North Dakota	153	17.5	110,836
U. Montana, Missoula	157	17.9	104,665
South Dakota State U.	182	20.6	66,794
Northern Arizona U.	191	21.6	58,914
Southern Illinois U., Carbondale	218	24.5	41,729
U. Denver	230	25.8	36,551
U. South Dakota, The	236	26.4	32,028
California Polytechnic State U., San Luis Obispo	239	26.8	30,923
Illinois State U.	245	27.4	27,082
U. Missouri, Kansas City	249	27.8	26,708
U. Nebraska, Omaha	302	33.6	14,302
Missouri State U., Springfield	389	43.0	5,910
U. Northern Colorado	423	46.7	4,571
U. Northern Iowa	452	49.8	3,628
Western Illinois U.	506	55.6	2,373
Eastern Washington U.	540	59.3	2,024
U. St. Thomas	555	60.9	1,870
Indiana State U.	576	63.2	1,682

 

[FSSD]

10 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

There are media reports claiming UU/CU/Az/ASU have meetings on Tuesday (7/5/22) with the Big XII. 

They'd be dumb not to with UW/UO admitting they've reached out to the B1G. That group needs to ensure they have a soft landing no matter where this round of realignment goes. 

BIG - at 20 teams brings in Stanford/Cal-Berkley/UW/Notre Dame.  Oregon only comes in if Notre Dame says no.  And Oregon is only being considered because of Nike.

[Sioux>Bison]

Funny how politics doesn’t get mentioned in all of these moves. State’s are getting their schools split up right down the middle. How long until governments start to act and try and prevent these breakups or even try and get a piece of the pie $$$$$$$. What a sad time for college athletics…….

[The Sicatoka]

24 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said:

How long until governments start to act and try and prevent these breakups or even try and get a piece of the pie $$$$$$$. 

Is NIL money income and taxable? 

[Hawkster]

5 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Is NIL money income and taxable? 

I'm no tax expert but I would think it is.   Scholarship money is reported to the IRS.

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said:

Funny how politics doesn’t get mentioned in all of these moves. State’s are getting their schools split up right down the middle. How long until governments start to act and try and prevent these breakups or even try and get a piece of the pie $$$$$$$. What a sad time for college athletics…….

no politician in the State of Washington or Oregon is do anything to prevent at least one of their uni's to get into the big 10...no matter how far the other school drops the money that being in the big10 makes up for it times a 100 fold.

[FSSD]

The big question is what do CBS and NBS do?

[SIOUXFAN97]

19 hours ago, Nodak78 said:

None of the Dakotas or montana schools have eyeballs.  We do have senators with Idaho 8.  That is huge for the schools.  Add in UNI and St. Thomas.  Pick another school to travel with Idaho.  We have numbers for research.

could care less about uni....but St Thomas and the Minny/st.paul market is huge for UND and the sumit/mid-con/big sky / mwc or what have you.....

[fightingsioux4life]

2 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

could care less about uni....but St Thomas and the Minny/st.paul market is huge for UND and the sumit/mid-con/big sky / mwc or what have you.....

St. Thomas has HUGE upside. The NCHC should snatch them up. And any future conference moves in our other sports should include them if at all possible.