Conference Realignments - Take 2

[zonadub]

8 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

a pic of a revolving door would be more appropriate.

 

[FSSD]

3 hours ago, zonadub said:

 

These guys look a little professional for the Summit League

[zonadub]

37 minutes ago, FSSD said:

These guys look a little professional for the Summit League

 

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

6 hours ago, zonadub said:

 

While President Kennedy (UND) is coming in, Chancellor Nasser Paydar  (IUPUI) is leaving, and President Jack Thomas (W. Illinios) is in his car thinking.

[SiouxVolley]

There are some interesting message board polling out there.  An Indiana St MVC fan polled NDSU, SDSU, and Oral Roberts if they want one of the two coming slots.  NDSU and ORU fans voted overwhelming to leave, while SDSU fans voted overwhelming to stay, as they don't want to lose home court advantage in the SLT.  

Of course, the Horizon League is talking at least 12 too, but SDSU fans think the Summit is entirely safe because everyone is so happy with Sioux Falls. IPFW has its car ready and ORU will leave as soon as it's asked.

[bison73]

9 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

a pic of a revolving door would be more appropriate.

Yeah and you guys are the model of stability.

[SIOUXFAN97]

10 hours ago, bison73 said:

Yeah and you guys are the model of stability.

"you guys"?

 

[UND-1]

11 hours ago, bison73 said:

Yeah and you guys are the model of stability.

Good comeback.  

[zonadub]

15 hours ago, bison73 said:

Yeah and you guys are the model of stability.

Compared to the Summit as a whole?

 

Absolutely!

[bison73]

1 hour ago, zonadub said:

Compared to the Summit as a whole?

 

Absolutely!

Spending only 5 years in your last conference and jumping to another to save money doesnt scream stability. Just saying.

[jdub27]

20 minutes ago, bison73 said:

Spending only 5 years in your last conference and jumping to another to save money doesnt scream stability. Just saying.

How many members did the Summit lose and gain during that same time frame?

Lost
Oral Roberts
IUPUI
Oakland
UMKC
SUU

Gained
Oral Roberts
Omaha
Denver

That excludes Centenary (lost) and USD (gained) which occurred in 2011.

[The Sicatoka]

[Gothmog]

Don't throw stones:

UND's conference affiliation since 2008 (IIRC)

IN:
Great West
Big Sky
NCHC
WAC (Affiliate)
Summit (2018)
MVFC (2019)

OUT:
NCC
Great West
WCHA
WAC (Affiliate)
Big Sky (2018)

 

 

[UNDBIZ]

5 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

Don't throw stones:

UND's conference affiliation since 2008 (IIRC)

IN:
Great West
Big Sky
NCHC
WAC (Affiliate)
Summit (2018)
MVFC (2019)

OUT:
NCC - D2
Great West- IMPLODED
WCHA - IMPLODED
WAC (Affiliate)
Big Sky (2018)

So we're leaving one legitimate conference. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

10 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

Don't throw stones:

UND's conference affiliation since 2008 (IIRC)

IN:
Great West
Big Sky
NCHC

Big Ten (Affiliate)
WAC (Affiliate)
Summit (2018)
MVFC (2019)

OUT:
NCC
Great West
WCHA
WAC (Affiliate)
Big Sky (2018)

 

 

 

[UNDvince97-01]

21 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

Don't throw stones:

UND's conference affiliation since 2008 (IIRC)

IN:
Great West
Big Sky
NCHC
WAC (Affiliate)
Summit (2018)
MVFC (2019)

OUT:
NCC
Great West
WCHA
WAC (Affiliate)
Big Sky (2018)

 

 

Nice comparison. Real smart.

[Gothmog]

12 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

So we're leaving one legitimate conference. 

You're kinda missing that the NCC, Great West, and WCHA imploded at least partly because of UND's actions. You don't have clean hands.

[Gothmog]

19 minutes ago, UNDvince97-01 said:

Nice comparison. Real smart.

You really don't think that it's a bit hypocritical to complain about others doing exactly what you've been doing? Pretty much every conference you've been a member of for the last ten years has been unstable.

[UNDColorado]

29 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

You're kinda missing that the NCC, Great West, and WCHA imploded at least partly because of UND's actions. You don't have clean hands.

You mean because Minnesota and Wisconsin decided to leave the conference? If the shoe were on the other foot you would have done the exact same thing. 

[The Sicatoka]

17 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

Pretty much every conference you've been a member of for the last ten years has been unstable.

Summit and MVFC included?  

The Great West was as stable as the San Andreas Fault from Day 1. The WAC was destabilized long before UND became an affiliate. 
 

The conference UND co-founded, the NCHC, is so rock solid it is able to turn down a Power 5 school trying to get in (Arizona State). 

[SiouxVolley]

An article out of Eastern Illinois that states the OVC better get more teams, as Murray St is likely gone to the MVC and Jax St and E Kentucky want FBS bad and could just declare FBS as Liberty has done.  An OVC call for Western Illinois, which will become the eastern extreme of the Summit?

http://jg-tc.com/sports/local/ovc-has-some-work-to-do/article_160593ae-2eed-5a42-a6af-466050246737.html

An OVC could replenish with for it a powerful football program again with a derelict mbb one, matching EIU and traveling with SIU-E.  Best of all for cash strapped W Ill, the OVC is a bus conference, no plane trips to the Dakotas or Denver, and a short bus ride trip to Evansville or Nashville for the OVC tournament.  

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

20 hours ago, bison73 said:

Yeah and you guys are the model of stability.

Yes, we help stabilize the Summit.

[UNDBIZ]

2 hours ago, Gothmog said:

You really don't think that it's a bit hypocritical to complain about others doing exactly what you've been doing? Pretty much every conference you've been a member of for the last ten years has been unstable.

Who's complaining about the eastern schools looking to better their situation? The complaint is that we're joining an unstable revolving door conference. The Big Sky and NCHC are stable. 

[SWSiouxMN]

I would hope that the Horizon can make their moves sooner rather than later because I would think the Summit would like to get another team in at the same time UND is going in for 2018-19.

Lets say for the sake of argument that for whatever reason, IFPW decides to hang tight and stay in the Summit.   Does that mean the likelihood that they just target old soulmate UMKC and call it good for now increase? 

 

[SiouxVolley]

45 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

I would hope that the Horizon can make their moves sooner rather than later because I would think the Summit would like to get another team in at the same time UND is going in for 2018-19.

Lets say for the sake of argument that for whatever reason, IFPW decides to hang tight and stay in the Summit.   Does that mean the likelihood that they just target old soulmate UMKC and call it good for now increase? 

 

Don't think UMKC wants to associate with Dakota schools, which is why they left for the WAC.  Conference affiliation with a bunch of Dakotas is looked at very negatively, as we don't have tv sets in numbers or great recruiting. UMKC doesn't see a need to broaden it's awaredness in the Dakotas.  Hockey is an exception, which is why Denver stays in the near term.

These are the moves coming up, ImHO.

MVC takes Murray St and ORU.

Horizon takes IPFW and Robert Morris.

OVC takes W Illinois and S Indiana or Lindenwood from DII.

Later, the Horizon takes Omaha and UMKC.