Conference Realignments - Take 2

[SooToo]

22 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

summit is on life support anyways.

denver left

st thomas already has the mvc logo on their court

omaha could join em

oral roberts loves sioux falls in the winter....mvc or southland is an option

kc....mvc or southland who knows....

Exactly. All true. But what's your point? What's the motivation for non-football schools to scuttle the Summit? Because we/they are all set to move ... where?

[SIOUXFAN97]

4 minutes ago, SooToo said:

Exactly. All true. But what's your point? What's the motivation for non-football schools to scuttle the Summit? Because we/they are all set to move ... where?

define scuttle...they want out..give em what they want...NOW...add augie or mankato and keep crossing your fingers like the summit has for 50 years...

make it hurt

 

[Hawkster]

9 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

define scuttle...they want out..give em what they want...NOW...add augie or mankato and keep crossing your fingers like the summit has for 50 years...

make it hurt

 

Mankato isn't even D1 and the University System in Minnesota will never let any other school move up since it would threaten the Gophers.   So you'll have to find someone else to fill their slot in your pipe dream. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

12 minutes ago, Hawkster said:

Mankato isn't even D1 and the University System in Minnesota will never let any other school move up since it would threaten the Gophers.   So you'll have to find someone else to fill their slot in your pipe dream. 

augie then...minot state....

you got any better ideas mr fenton?

[gfhockey]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

what are your boyz saying?

My boyz are saying summits probably done

[SIOUXFAN97]

[Hawkster]

24 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

augie then...minot state....

you got any better ideas mr fenton?

Minot State isn't D1 either and while they could move up they won't.   My better idea is worry about improving our athletics instead of trying to destroy the Summit.   Dude, did you react like this the first time your girlfriend dumped you?

[cberkas]

8 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

Except NCHC approached St. Thomas not the other way around.

[SIOUXFAN97]

5 minutes ago, cberkas said:

Except NCHC approached St. Thomas not the other way around.

was pointing out the rumor that not only is the mvc a possiblity...the WCC? wowser

also saying on there oral bob to the uac

[SIOUXFAN97]

10 minutes ago, Hawkster said:

Minot State isn't D1 either and while they could move up they won't.   My better idea is worry about improving our athletics instead of trying to destroy the Summit.   Dude, did you react like this the first time your girlfriend dumped you?

so it's augie then?

[SiouxHawkGuy]

Screw summit and xdsus. UND and USD should be trying to get into the MAC

[Siouxdaddy]

Can someone explain why NDSU didn’t have to pay an exit fee for MVFC? Or did I miss something 

[SIOUXFAN97]

18 minutes ago, Siouxdaddy said:

Can someone explain why NDSU didn’t have to pay an exit fee for MVFC? Or did I miss something 

email fenton

[homer]

2 hours ago, Hawkster said:

Minot State isn't D1 either and while they could move up they won't.   My better idea is worry about improving our athletics instead of trying to destroy the Summit.   Dude, did you react like this the first time your girlfriend dumped you?

Three things can happen at the same time. 1) UND should work on improving athletics 

2) the Summit should be proactive and protect itself by adding a non D1 member now to start the 3 year clock while it has 7+ members instead of wait until it has 6

3) All presidents can bury NDSU.  They have just told you they are leaving anyway.  Call their bluff

i guess I don’t understand your point

[HawksHoops]

Here is statement from Chaves.  I guess it was too much to expect him to outline a real strategy but this seems pretty generic and timid.

"North Dakota State’s move to the FBS and the Mountain West is a significant decision for their institution.  At UND, our priority remains building nationally competitive programs that are sustainable, fiscally responsible and aligned with who we are. We continue to be proud members of the best FCS conference in the nation. College athletics is evolving rapidly, but our focus is steady: serving our student-athletes, strengthening UND’s national profile and positioning this university for continued long-term success.”

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 minutes ago, HawksHoops said:

Here is statement from Chaves.  I guess it was too much to expect him to outline a real strategy but this seems pretty generic and timid.

"North Dakota State’s move to the FBS and the Mountain West is a significant decision for their institution.  At UND, our priority remains building nationally competitive programs that are sustainable, fiscally responsible and aligned with who we are. We continue to be proud members of the best FCS conference in the nation. College athletics is evolving rapidly, but our focus is steady: serving our student-athletes, strengthening UND’s national profile and positioning this university for continued long-term success.”

chatgpt?

[forksandspoons]

25 minutes ago, HawksHoops said:

Here is statement from Chaves.  I guess it was too much to expect him to outline a real strategy but this seems pretty generic and timid.

"North Dakota State’s move to the FBS and the Mountain West is a significant decision for their institution.  At UND, our priority remains building nationally competitive programs that are sustainable, fiscally responsible and aligned with who we are. We continue to be proud members of the best FCS conference in the nation. College athletics is evolving rapidly, but our focus is steady: serving our student-athletes, strengthening UND’s national profile and positioning this university for continued long-term success.”

Exactly what I would expect from him lol I have zero faith… 

[jdub27]

Seems like the exact message everyone except Sac St has been putting out for the last few years. 

The President and AD are having the correct conversations and they don't happen in public. I would expect nothing is imminent until it is, that's why you have the conversations. UND has an absolute top notch President. They also have no reason to get into an unnecessary bidding war in public. They are in a fine spot where they are for the immediate future.

Focus on continued improvements, building up the University as a whole, building enrollment and making sure the financial house is in order for when the right opportunity arises. No need to completely get get taken to the cleaners and have the people who robbed you saying you've always been their top mark choice. 

[cberkas]

There are 4 FCS schools looking at moving up to FBS and conducting feasibility studies. 

[zonadub]

8 hours ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

Screw summit and xdsus. UND and USD should be trying to get into the MAC

The MAC? Yuck!

[UND-FB-FAN]

8 hours ago, forksandspoons said:

Exactly what I would expect from him lol I have zero faith… 

Andy Armacost needs to make a statement, not Bill Chaves. Sorry Bill, but UND currently has only one true leader.

[AJS]

4 hours ago, cberkas said:

There are 4 FCS schools looking at moving up to FBS and conducting feasibility studies. 

Who are the 4?

[GeauxSioux]

I found this piece to be interesting... https://www.extrapointsmb.com/p/north-dakota-state-is-finally-going-fbs-so-what-s-next

 

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I stand by what I was told then and still believe it in 2026. I have yet to speak to any industry professional who thinks the immediate increase in guarantee games, TV money and conference distributions will offset the cost increases to pay for athlete revenue sharing, new sport sponsorship required for Title IX compliance and increased operational expenses. That isn’t why you decide to move to FBS.

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I filed an open records request for the FY25 operating budget for every program in the MWC and Missouri Valley Football Conference last month, but I have not yet received the report from North Dakota State. In FY24, North Dakota State reported $30,251,922 in total athletic department operational expenses, far below the smallest Mountain West institution, San Jose State ($47,405,380).

I don't think UND can find that kind of money laying around.

[AJS]

10 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Seems like the exact message everyone except Sac St has been putting out for the last few years. 

The President and AD are having the correct conversations and they don't happen in public. I would expect nothing is imminent until it is, that's why you have the conversations. UND has an absolute top notch President. They also have no reason to get into an unnecessary bidding war in public. They are in a fine spot where they are for the immediate future.

Focus on continued improvements, building up the University as a whole, building enrollment and making sure the financial house is in order for when the right opportunity arises. No need to completely get taken to the cleaners and have the people who robbed you saying you've always been their top mark choice. 

Very good post.

Here's one thing I'll say about the financial piece. Look at a school's endowment for a fair look into their fundraising power. From an article two weeks ago.

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The University of North Dakota Alumni Association & Foundation has "shattered" previous fundraising records, securing $119.9 million in gifts during the 2025 calendar year. 

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The $119.9 million total was fueled by 11,294 donors who made more than 13,600 gifts. The organization also saw a significant surge in new support, with 2,755 first-time donors contributing in 2025 — a 54% increase over the previous 12-month reporting period. 

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Carlson Zink also revealed that the UND Alumni Association & Foundation’s endowment has reached a new all-time high of $510.7 million. 

I can't find NDSU's #'s, but would suspect that their current endowment is higher, but not significantly higher (498 million at end of 2024). If you look at facts, they will tell you that UND can hang financially with NDSU.

 

*UND is also on the backend of their Forever UND campaign*

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What began as a bold vision, Forever UND: The Campaign for the University of North Dakota has already met its initial fundraising goal of $500 million, a remarkable achievement accomplished well ahead of its end-of-2026 deadline.

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With that, she unveiled the new goal: $625 million by the original campaign end date of December 31, 2026.

 

[cberkas]

1 hour ago, AJS said:

Who are the 4?

They didn’t say.