82SiouxGuy Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Fair enough. But in light of recent developments with the Redskins issue, the collective noise coming from the Sooner State (as reported by OK-based media) was very anti-nickname and nobody seemed too concerned with splitting hairs. Have to wonder if the tide there has turned in the past several years. The Redskins name and the Cleveland Indians name and logo are causing more people to speak out all over the country. I wouldn't be surprised if we see even more people come out against all Native American nicknames. Several people predicted this would happen during the Fighting Sioux name debate. Florida State has permission to use the Seminole name right now, but they have no guarantee that they will have that permission forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The Redskins name and the Cleveland Indians name and logo are causing more people to speak out all over the country. I wouldn't be surprised if we see even more people come out against all Native American nicknames. Several people predicted this would happen during the Fighting Sioux name debate. Florida State has permission to use the Seminole name right now, but they have no guarantee that they will have that permission forever. The outrage is on Washington's nickname not the logo where as in Cleveland it's chief Wahoo that NA is pissed about not the nickname Indians. Maybe the two should swap. The Washington Indians with their current logo, and the Cleveland Indians with the Washington Redskins logo. Mahnomen HS is nicknamed Indians and a lot of schools have a logo like the Redskins so maybe a compromise can be reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The outrage is on Washington's nickname not the logo where as in Cleveland it's chief Wahoo that NA is pissed about not the nickname Indians. Maybe the two should swap. The Washington Indians with their current logo, and the Cleveland Indians with the Washington Redskins logo. Mahnomen HS is nicknamed Indians and a lot of schools have a logo like the Redskins so maybe a compromise can be reached. The entire situation keeps developing. At some point people will want to get rid of both nickname and logo for both Washington and Cleveland. It will happen with other Native American nicknames and logos. The furor over the Redskins nickname is just the latest step in the process. Mahnomen is on a reservation, so many of the students actually are Indians. That isn't a good comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The entire situation keeps developing. At some point people will want to get rid of both nickname and logo for both Washington and Cleveland. It will happen with other Native American nicknames and logos. The furor over the Redskins nickname is just the latest step in the process. Mahnomen is on a reservation, so many of the students actually are Indians. That isn't a good comparison. Maybe I should have said Warroad or Mandan as neither cities are on reservations. By saying Mahnomen is the Indians just prove the double standard that goes with NA nicknames especially when they (NA) claim people aren't mascots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 For some folks reality isn't real until it's all too real. If there really is this undercurrent at SL and SR that really doesn't want the name banished permanently* it won't bubble to the surface until the new name is selected and on the fast track to installation and reality. But honestly, I don't expect that undercurrent to appear. If it didn't rear up before it won't happen now either. *Once there's a new name in place the old name is never coming back. This "no name" limbo is a joke and a way to keep saying the old name with having to really claim it ... and I wonder when the NCAA will see through the "no moniker" ruse for what it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Works for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biddco Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The Fluttering Moths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 UND nickname taskforce seeks input for naming process Invitations will be sent to 180 people for each of the Nov. 5 and 6 meetings, but the forums will be open to the public as well. The invited attendees will be asked for their input on developing the process of what the plan to pick a new logo and nickname should look like. Members of the public attending of their own accord will have a chance to submit input as well, though one of the group’s two mediators, Marie Miyashiro, cautioned the task force to separate input from desired stakeholders from that of other members of the public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I'm developing a committee to develop a committee to begin the process of forming a task force that will look into a way of selecting a new nickname. Once that task force comes up with a process of how to select a new name, a task force will be named with coming up with a new name "recommendations". Then another task force will be assigned to look into those nicknames with all the pros and cons of each name. Then I'll pick the nickname. Signed, Robert Kelly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I'm developing a committee to develop a committee to begin the process of forming a task force that will look into a way of selecting a new nickname. Once that task force comes up with a process of how to select a new name, a task force will be named with coming up with a new name "recommendations". Then another task force will be assigned to look into those nicknames with all the pros and cons of each name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 The task force plans to reach out to groups on campus and find out the best way to invite those with a vested interest in the nickname choosing process. Task force to see how to invite people?! Can't they just ask them? Seems like no one wants to say or do anything concrete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Seems like no one wants to say or do anything concrete. Welcome to the world of Robert Kelley.................. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Maybe our new name should be the Feetdraggers!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxjoy Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Welcome to the world of Robert Kelley.................. higher education This is how things roll in all things higher ed. Seriously. It takes eons and task forces for everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 This latest task force to develop the process for creating a task force that will create a process to come up with a new nickname is just another round of CYA politics by the current administration. That way when Sundogs or Prairie Chickens is chosen, it will have the appearance of input and collaboration from all major stakeholders. In reality it's a clusterf*ck of epic proportions that will ultimately please no one. Wow, I feel better now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald joker Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Here's the rub. The Seminole Tribe signed off on it, the Sioux tribe in Standing Rock did not. End of story. It sucks, but that's the reality. Kinda hard to sign off when the council doesnt let you vote!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 & again why did Stenjhem settle for it bring ok to get two tribes to ok the name when Florida only had to have one- were we discriminated against or in some other way not treated the same - could we have sued to challenge that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'd love to see Florida have to get two tribes to ok their situation Especially how truly hostile & abusive their actions are ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I thought I heard that the Univ. of Minnesota wasn't going to allow the Redskin logo at TCF stadium when the Vikes play Washington there. I know the Univ. of Minnesota wasn't playing us in a lot of sports because of our logo. Now I hear the U of M isn't trying to stop it. When it comes to Indian logos their sure seems to be a lot of inconsistencies in the enforcement of policies nationwide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I thought I heard that the Univ. of Minnesota wasn't going to allow the Redskin logo at TCF stadium when the Vikes play Washington there. I know the Univ. of Minnesota wasn't playing us in a lot of sports because of our logo. Now I hear the U of M isn't trying to stop it. When it comes to Indian logos their sure seems to be a lot of inconsistencies in the enforcement of policies nationwide. $$$$$ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald joker Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I thought I heard that the Univ. of Minnesota wasn't going to allow the Redskin logo at TCF stadium when the Vikes play Washington there. I know the Univ. of Minnesota wasn't playing us in a lot of sports because of our logo. Now I hear the U of M isn't trying to stop it. When it comes to Indian logos their sure seems to be a lot of inconsistencies in the enforcement of policies nationwide. That was their excuse to not get their a** kicked by us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Kinda hard to sign off when the council doesnt let you vote!!! Yep. That's tribal politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I thought I heard that the Univ. of Minnesota wasn't going to allow the Redskin logo at TCF stadium when the Vikes play Washington there. I know the Univ. of Minnesota wasn't playing us in a lot of sports because of our logo. Now I hear the U of M isn't trying to stop it. When it comes to Indian logos their sure seems to be a lot of inconsistencies in the enforcement of policies nationwide. The University is essentially renting TCF Bank Stadium to the Vikings on NFL gameday. There is no way they can prohibit the Redskins from wearing their regular uniforms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfan Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The University is essentially renting TCF Bank Stadium to the Vikings on NFL gameday. There is no way they can prohibit the Redskins from wearing their regular uniforms. The U has tried to get the vikings to agree not to pronounce the Name, and not to put the logo or name on the scoreboards/programs but I think the Vikings said no, that they are part of the NFL who makes the decision if a name is allowed to be used or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Somebody get a picture of the Redskin logo right next to the TCF bank signage...that will cause much wailing and gnashing of teeth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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