GeauxSioux Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 I also see W&M nicknamed Tribe not nicknamed the birds. They are not nicknamed the feathers, closer to the comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I see the ncaa as racist basturds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I see the ncaa as racist basturds You realize that the NCAA is comprised of member schools (including UND) right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 WM is called the Tribe. They argued that they should keep the name because it is not necessarily a NA name. Coupled with the imagery of their logo that is a hard argument to make. So they compromised by removing the imagery. We on the other hand removed all that was deemed offensive. An arrow logo with the name "Arrows" in no way associated with NA or any ethnicity for that matter. So then you tell me, what would be the NCAAs argument? William & Mary "compromised" with respect to the NCAA about as much as the Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia "invited" the Red Army to annex their countries and make them part of the USSR. http://hamptonroads.com/2007/12/william-and-mary-replaces-logo-remove-feathers "The passing months have given us no greater esteem for the NCAA's misguided decision to prohibit the feathers in our past logo," President Gene R. Nichol said in a statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 From the NCAA website... "Colleges and universities may adopt any mascot that they wish, as that is an institutional matter," said Walter Harrison, chair of the Executive Committee and president at the University of Hartford. "But as a national association, we believe that mascots, nicknames or images deemed hostile or abusive in terms of race, ethnicity or national origin should not be visible at the championship events that we control." I don't see how an arrow can be assigned to a race, ethnicity or national origin. The idea of Arrows came to my mind while reading Robin Hood with my son. I'm not saying it's a poor design or poor drawing, in fact, I think it's quite creative. However, what I am saying is that given UND's past connection with "Fighting Sioux," some members of the NCAA may view the nickname "Arrows" a bit differently than what I would consider normal people would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 They are not nicknamed the feathers, closer to the comparison. And your proposed UND nickname isn't the "Compasses," either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I also see W&M nicknamed Tribe not nicknamed the birds. See above post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 I'm not saying it's a poor design or poor drawing, GeauxSioux, what I am saying is that given UND's past connection with "Fighting Sioux," some members of the NCAA may view the nickname "Arrows" a bit differently than what I would consider normal people would. Hey, you are not offending me. I am not artistic enough to be offended. I just don't think you can take something like a north arrow as being offensive, as that is essentially what I have done, taken a north arrow from a CAD program and put on UND's existing athletic logo. Maps all over the world have North arrows on them. North just happens to be in the state name and the arrow seems to work well with the current logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 "You realize that the NCAA is comprised of member schools (including UND) right?" YES but if they did not have a near Monopoly I'd say to He11 with them completely - If we could get the name back I'd be willing to go Independent - Screw their championship - & screw the pansy schools who would not play us I still say become a AHL or Major Junior team & F-em all (including UND if they would still support kelly) But that is just me & I bet Ralph would have made it happen if he were here & Im talking Hockey here this mostly happened because other sports at UND gave up way to soon - they can stay with the ncaa & be the pink panthers for all I care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Hey, you are not offending me. I am not artistic enough to be offended. I just don't think you can take something like a north arrow as being offensive, as that is essentially what I have done, taken a north arrow from a CAD program and put on UND's existing athletic logo. Maps all over the world have North arrows on them. North just happens to be in the state name and the arrow seems to work well with the current logo. I don't think you can either...but, tell me, do you think SOMEONE in Indianapolis might? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 See above post. Then tell me how Arrows are associated with NA's but Bison or Buffaloes (Colorado) isn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 A compass? Or Native American symbol of friendship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 DII college with nickname Arrows. Not on the naughty list. http://www.ursulinearrows.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Then tell me how Arrows are associated with NA's but Bison or Buffaloes (Colorado) isn't? I suppose it's only a problem if the men running with Ralphie are wearing Native American costumes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I suppose it's only a problem if the men running with Ralphie are wearing Native American costumes... http://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/native-american-cultures/videos/the-buffalo-and-native-americans If NDSU, Howard, Bucknell and Colorado can use a image that is tied with Native Americans then I would think Arrows can be okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 How about Big Feathered Cocks? with arrow piercing Ouch! Sounds like something that would fly in Seattle though........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I bet the nc$$ would really approve of it being the sick puppies they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxphan27 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I hope if/when a new name is chosen, it has nothing to do with native culture. It's been made clear at standing rock they do not want to be affiliated or recognized at UND. The relationship is over; please, let it die. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I wonder if Standing Rock would have got as much interest / attention from UND as UND is giving this new process, if something could have been worked out with them but that never really happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 that is not bad I agree, it's not a stupid nickname like Sun Dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runaroundsioux Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 The indicator on a compass is called an needle not an arrow. Just thought I'd throw that in to stir the pot some more. Carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 One more tweak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herd Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Then tell me how Arrows are associated with NA's but Bison or Buffaloes (Colorado) isn't? oh stop it Darrell with your loser "me too, their picking on me" attitude. There are a lot of things associated with Indians, who are real people by the way. Horses, Mustangs, Eagles, Crows, Ravens, dirt, broncos, wind, sky, snow, rain, mountains, tatanka, and many many more, none of which you will note are real human beings. I think you forget your misery loves company attitude, and enjoy the holidays. I can probably play Indian association with every nickname in America . . . The Pioneers, didn't thy kick the Indians out of their territory, I suppose you have a problem with that one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 http://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/native-american-cultures/videos/the-buffalo-and-native-americans If NDSU, Howard, Bucknell and Colorado can use a image that is tied with Native Americans then I would think Arrows can be okay. Did any of those schools use Native American imagery with those logos? Did any of those schools change their name from something Indian-related to Bison or Buffaloes? Did any of those schools thumb their nose at the NCAA while fighting to keep their nickname? Did any of those schools rile up the NCAA like North Dakota did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I like that it is not a N/A flint knaped arrow head or a feathered fleching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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