Facilities Master Plan

[HockeyHawk]

  On 10/18/2024 at 4:24 PM, HoopsFan03 said:

Someone that works for UND athletics/at the Ralph was telling me last summer how the women's soccer team has such an advantage in recruiting due to their locker room & facilities being at The Ralph. That they get players that they probably shouldn't just because they come on their visit and are blown away. After getting a tour of The Ralph/their facilities they say they have to come here. 

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I don't think there can really be much of a complaint about the Ralph but has anyone seen that field? They have a shed for a press box and there is nowhere for the 25 people that show up to even sit. From what I remember when women's hockey was cut soccer was put in the Ralph to balance hockey for title 9. If you compare where the hockey team play to where the soccer team play I think there is probably some type of equity argument.

[gfhockey]

  On 10/18/2024 at 5:08 PM, HockeyHawk said:

I don't think there can really be much of a complaint about the Ralph but has anyone seen that field? They have a shed for a press box and there is nowhere for the 25 people that show up to even sit. From what I remember when women's hockey was cut soccer was put in the Ralph to balance hockey for title 9. If you compare where the hockey team play to where the soccer team play I think there is probably some type of equity argument.

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How much revenue does soccer generate at the gate?

 

maybe they should have a parent step up like softball and donate 2.5 mill 

[fightingsioux4life]

  On 10/18/2024 at 5:35 PM, gfhockey said:

How much revenue does soccer generate at the gate?

 

maybe they should have a parent step up like softball and donate 2.5 mill 

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The idea that every single program must be self-sustaining is nonsense.

That is not how college athletics is funded.......anywhere.

[gfhockey]

  On 10/18/2024 at 5:42 PM, fightingsioux4life said:

The idea that every single program must be self-sustaining is nonsense.

That is not how college athletics is funded.......anywhere.

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Never said it had to be self funded. Just asked how much revenue it generates at the gate 

 

simple question

 

[fightingsioux4life]

  On 10/18/2024 at 5:54 PM, gfhockey said:

Never said it had to be self funded. Just asked how much revenue it generates at the gate 

 

simple question

 

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Not all programs generate revenue.

If you are lucky, you'll have more than one program make a profit.

Simple Answer.

[FSSD]

So, the complaints are:

1)  Need bathroom facilities at Bronson Field

2) Need a trainer available during games.

3) Cut the grass shorter.

Recent Improvements:

1)  Resodding Bronson Field

2) Laying infrastructure (fiber) for game broadcasts.

3) Fencing around Bronson Field

Here is a link to the soccer facilities:  https://fightinghawks.com/watch/?Archive=7672&type=Archive

It seems like a nice setup.  Cut the grass, schedule a trainer for games and work on potential small set of stands with bathrooms.

[Big Green]

  On 10/18/2024 at 3:59 PM, gfhockey said:

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/college/und-womens-soccer-players-voicing-concerns-regarding-facility-equality
 

complaining about a new field and the realph

 

maybe we just cut it and not have the headache and money loss 

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The Complaints seem to be valid.  The fact they play on a grass field with temporary seating is embarrassing.  A new field should have been worked into the Memorial Stadium Project.  Seems like they are in need of a benefactor similar to what Softball got with their new Field.  I'm not a title 9 expert, but seems like they need to be given the same access to facilities at the Ralph to be compliant.  Also the fact they have a doctor "on Call" for games is ridiculous.  There should a doctor there for the entire game.

 

 

[gfhockey]

  On 10/18/2024 at 5:55 PM, fightingsioux4life said:

Not all programs generate revenue.

If you are lucky, you'll have more than one program make a profit.

Simple Answer.

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So zero?

[gfhockey]

Will they win more if they have a dr on site or they holding back due to fear of injury

[Oxbow6]

Bronson Field is the worst soccer field in the Summit.

[Oxbow6]

  On 10/18/2024 at 6:32 PM, gfhockey said:

Will they win more if they have a dr on site or they holding back due to fear of injury

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Other than men's hockey there is not a tougher team on campus. Women's soccer is brutally physical. 

[fightingsioux4life]

  On 10/18/2024 at 6:17 PM, gfhockey said:

So zero?

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Yeah, zero.

Welcome to the world of most college athletic programs.

This isn't MLS.

[FSSD]

  On 10/18/2024 at 6:48 PM, Oxbow6 said:

Bronson Field is the worst soccer field in the Summit.

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Didn't they shut it down for a year and redo the field 4 or 5 years ago?

[UND1983]

  On 10/18/2024 at 5:08 PM, HockeyHawk said:

I don't think there can really be much of a complaint about the Ralph but has anyone seen that field? They have a shed for a press box and there is nowhere for the 25 people that show up to even sit. From what I remember when women's hockey was cut soccer was put in the Ralph to balance hockey for title 9. If you compare where the hockey team play to where the soccer team play I think there is probably some type of equity argument.

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Are you using hockey as a comparison for soccer?  Really?  Good luck with that Title IX defense

[Oxbow6]

  On 10/18/2024 at 6:59 PM, FSSD said:

Didn't they shut it down for a year and redo the field 4 or 5 years ago?

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Yes. Still trash. It's grass. In ND. In the fall. 

[gfhockey]

  On 10/18/2024 at 7:43 PM, Oxbow6 said:

Yes. Still trash. It's grass. In ND. In the fall. 

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Well who’s head of athletics facilities? Is it the same guy who screwed up the Betty? 
 

why didn’t they turf it

[90siouxfan]

Since college sports is all about money, should Title 9 just be put in the trash heap?

[geaux_sioux]

  On 10/18/2024 at 6:17 PM, Big Green said:

The Complaints seem to be valid.  The fact they play on a grass field with temporary seating is embarrassing.  A new field should have been worked into the Memorial Stadium Project.  Seems like they are in need of a benefactor similar to what Softball got with their new Field.  I'm not a title 9 expert, but seems like they need to be given the same access to facilities at the Ralph to be compliant.  Also the fact they have a doctor "on Call" for games is ridiculous.  There should a doctor there for the entire game.

 

 

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Grass is a problem? Ever watched the World Cup? Premier league? La Liga? Do you know anything about soccer at all?

[Big Green]

  On 10/19/2024 at 2:35 AM, geaux_sioux said:

Grass is a problem? Ever watched the World Cup? Premier league? La Liga? Do you know anything about soccer at all?

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It is if they aren’t cutting it.

[Cratter]

  On 10/18/2024 at 6:05 PM, FSSD said:

Recent Improvements:

1)  Resodding Bronson Field

2) Laying infrastructure (fiber) for game broadcasts.

3) Fencing around Bronson Field

Here is a link to the soccer facilities:  https://fightinghawks.com/watch/?Archive=7672&type=Archive

It seems like a nice setup.  Cut the grass, schedule a trainer for games and work on potential small set of stands with bathrooms.

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So the basically minimum?

Gave the soccer team a level playing Field with grass and a fence to keep the ball from going into the street like elementary schools have.

[UND1983]

  On 10/19/2024 at 4:38 PM, Cratter said:

So the basically minimum?

Gave the soccer team a level playing Field with grass and a fence to keep the ball from going into the street like elementary schools have.

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If there is a program that deserves University funds for a brand new field it’s certainly Soccer.  

[Oxbow6]

  On 10/19/2024 at 2:35 AM, geaux_sioux said:

Grass is a problem? Ever watched the World Cup? Premier league? La Liga? Do you know anything about soccer at all?

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  On 10/19/2024 at 2:45 AM, Big Green said:

It is if they aren’t cutting it.

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So use a simply analogy you both can understand on grass fields....

Bronson Field = late 70s porn star

Premier League/World Cup = Top 1% OnlyFans

[Cratter]

  On 10/19/2024 at 5:05 PM, UND1983 said:

If there is a program that deserves University funds for a brand new field it’s certainly Soccer.  

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Not even a new field, just some small upgrades:

A small concrete building with a bathrooms, some GameDay lockers, with a cool lighted sign on the side "home of UND Soccer" other outside, small bleacher for fans, and maybe some of those curved wind protections "dugouts."

Athletic trainer at the games.

Small cheap stuff.

[UND1983]

  On 10/19/2024 at 5:59 PM, Cratter said:

Not even a new field, just some small upgrades:

A small concrete building with a bathroom, some GameDay lockers, with a cool lighted sign on the side "home of UND Soccer," small bleacher for fans, and maybe some of those curved wind protections "dugouts." Athletic trainer at the games.

Small cheap stuff.

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I would agree there.  

[Sioux>Bison]

  On 10/18/2024 at 7:43 PM, Oxbow6 said:

Yes. Still trash. It's grass. In ND. In the fall. 

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Soccer players don’t like playing on artificial turf.