R1 Status

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[forksandspoons]

Big time!!

[fightingsioux4life]

24 minutes ago, forksandspoons said:

Big time!!

 

[gfhockey]

Uncle Andy doing big things

 

now our athletic department woof

[jdub27]

Pleasantly surprised they were able to get there as quick as they did. A few years ahead of schedule from the original plan!
Probably not welcome news in certain parts of the state, but excellent for Grand Forks and UND.

[The Sicatoka]

This should be lauded and shouted from the roof tops. 

Congratulations UND.

[The Sicatoka]

https://carnegieclassifications.acenet.edu/news/carnegie-classifications-release-2025-research-activity-designations-debut-updated-methodology/ 

[Cratter]

Which means.....finally caught up to a state peer.

[Teeder11]

1 hour ago, Cratter said:

Which means.....finally caught up to a state peer.

…. who is gifted the vast majority of its annual federal research haul in the form of non-competitive ag extension funding by virtue of being the designated land-grant institution for North Dakota. That’s the part that no one says out loud.

Yes, UND has the medical school but most of its (med school) federal research funding is funding that needs to be competed for. The difference in the amount of non-comp federal funding that each of North Dakota’s research institutions receive is really night/day. 

What UND has finally been able to do should not be poo-pooed in any way given the playing field.  

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 hour ago, Cratter said:

Which means.....finally caught up to a state peer.

caught or passed?

[Cratter]

2 hours ago, Teeder11 said:

…. who is gifted the vast majority of its annual federal research haul in the form of non-competitive ag extension funding by virtue of being the designated land-grant institution for North Dakota. That’s the part that no one says out loud.

Yes, UND has the medical school but most of its (med school) federal research funding is funding that needs to be competed for. The difference in the amount of non-comp federal funding that each of North Dakota’s research institutions receive is really night/day. 

What UND has finally been able to do should not be poo-pooed in any way given the playing field.  

One has an ag school and one has a med school.

Ag might give out less competitive grants.

But med funded research going to universities is multiple times larger than ag.

$billions vs $millions

So at best it's a wash argument.

[Teeder11]

22 minutes ago, Cratter said:

One has an ag school and one has a med school.

Ag might give out less competitive grants.

But med funded research going to universities is multiple times larger than ag.

$billions vs $millions

So at best it's a wash argument.

Nope. 

[jdub27]

33 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Ag might give out less competitive grants.

The understatement on this is hilarious. 

A huge portion is non-competitive, federal funding they are allocated and have to do nothing. Meaning no one else can get it and there is zero effort to earn it. As was stated, night/day difference. 

Its important enough that it's is part of why Nebraska lost their research status a while back. 

[UND1983]

37 minutes ago, Cratter said:

One has an ag school and one has a med school.

Ag might give out less competitive grants.

But med funded research going to universities is multiple times larger than ag.

$billions vs $millions

So at best it's a wash argument.

Take the L brah

[Cratter]

17 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Take the L brah

Just pointing out the rest of the story....

NDSU can't compete for billions of dollars of research funding that UND can.

The main university research dollars for their industries are: USDA AFRI (ag) and NIH (med).

One gives out like $400 mill, the other $30 billion a year.

Just the facts.

You can form any opinion based on it you wish.

[jdub27]

3 hours ago, Cratter said:

NDSU can't compete for billions of dollars of research funding that UND can.

They can because they do medical research as well. 

The point is they don't compete for a large portion of their funding. Regardless of the "pot", when you get it, that is a significant difference when hundreds of schools are competing for a different pot, regardless of size. 

So "catching up to a state peer" is an absolutely ignorant statement. 

[Cratter]

24 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

So "catching up to a state peer" is an absolutely ignorant statement. 

Just another fact as NDSU has had this classification for years.

[Cratter]

A journalist and research dug up ten years worth of data using,

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records requests to universities and Form 990 tax reports for nonprofit organizations.

For twelve land-grant universities, including NDSU. This accounted for nearly half agricultural research grants awarded.

The average school got $11 million a year in ag research grants the research showed.

NDSU spends about $160 million a year on research expenditures and is top 100 research university nationwide.

https://investigatemidwest.org/2023/08/17/graphic-midwestern-land-grant-schools-received-at-least-42-of-ag-research-grant-money-data-shows/

That "large portion" is very small. All their grants, competitive and non competitive from federal funding, accounts for less than a 1/3 their expenditures.

 

[jdub27]

5 hours ago, Cratter said:

Just another fact as NDSU has had this classification for years.

Does that include when they lost it? 

[UNDBIZ]

Ndsu is given $100 million by the state for ag research and extension. UND gets $0 from the state specifically for med research. When federal grants require matching funds, it makes a difference.

[Cratter]

3 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

Ndsu is given $100 million by the state for ag research and extension. UND gets $0 from the state specifically for med research. When federal grants require matching funds, it makes a difference.

Which is not a "non competitive federal funding."

Which is NDSU fighting for money in Bismarck every two years.

Which UND is also fighting for.

There's no doubt NDSU is better at research with their ag than UND is with their med.

That's why NDSU had their first R1 granted 20 years ago.

UND has been above the R1 minimum threshold for many years but was never granted it, likely based on other criteria than research dollars, that wasn't met.

Carnegie did almost double the numbers of R1 schools from 2005 though.

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

38 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Ndsu is given $100 million by the state for ag research and extension. UND gets $0 from the state specifically for med research. When federal grants require matching funds, it makes a difference.

what "breakthrus or benefits to nd citizens" has come from throwing that kind of money at ndac for research and extension year after year after year?

[Bison Dan]

3 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

what "breakthrus or benefits to nd citizens" has come from throwing that kind of money at ndac for research and extension year after year after year?

I guess you haven't seen the productivity of farming lately.  How many medical benefits has und have?  God you're such a city kid.

 

 

 

[fightingsioux4life]

4 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

I guess you haven't seen the productivity of farming lately.  How many medical benefits has und have?  God you're such a city kid.

God you're such a pest.

[nodak651]

Sources of funds for 2023: 

 

https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?method=rankingbysource&ds=herd