UND @ ASU-Let the 2nd half begin.

[Melvin]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Moving on from Berry will probably also have to originate from the President's office.

So, we should fire a coach that that has won the conference regular season title four out of the last five seasons. Who’s team is currently tied for first place in the NCHC standings. That's remarkable based on be amount of injuries this team has suffered through. Finally, UND is tied for 54th youngest team in college hockey; meaning they're one of the youngest teams in college hockey. None of that matters right? Whether you want to admit it or not, UND has won an NCAA title since BC, BU, UMich, MSU, UW, and Cornell last won one. You should seek help. 

[siouxweet]

8 minutes ago, Melvin said:

So, we should fire a coach that that has won the conference regular season title four out of the last five seasons. Who’s team is currently tied for first place in the NCHC standings. That's remarkable based on be amount of injuries this team has suffered through. Finally, UND is tied for 54th youngest team in college hockey; meaning they're one of the youngest teams in college hockey. None of that matters right? Whether you want to admit it or not, UND has won an NCAA title since BC, BU, UMich, MSU, UW, and Cornell last won one. You should seek help. 

Once again the frustration is from one NCAA tournament win since 2016, no Frozen Fours since 2016 and they are on track to miss the tournament for the 4th time since 2016.

[SiouxBoys]

2 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I really don't think the long-time supporters of this program or former coaches and players who accomplished great things at UND are "content with mediocrity".

I also don't think our FB alumni were content with the direction of the program under Bubba. The problem is that we have an athletic director who doesn’t care about wins and losses or postseason success.

Buying out Bubba, I believe, was driven by Armacost. Moving on from Berry will probably have to originate from the President's office as well. But the best thing Armacost can do for UND athletics is get rid of Bill Chaves and replace him with someone who has high standards for excellence.

I can't even begin to describe how wrong you are.

[fightingsioux4life]

20 minutes ago, Melvin said:

So, we should fire a coach that that has won the conference regular season title four out of the last five seasons. Who’s team is currently tied for first place in the NCHC standings. That's remarkable based on be amount of injuries this team has suffered through. Finally, UND is tied for 54th youngest team in college hockey; meaning they're one of the youngest teams in college hockey. None of that matters right? Whether you want to admit it or not, UND has won an NCAA title since BC, BU, UMich, MSU, UW, and Cornell last won one. You should seek help. 

We are becoming irrelevant on the national stage. The lack of postseason success justifies a change at the top. You are the one that should seek help.

[fightingsioux4life]

2 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

I can't even begin to describe how wrong you are.

Oh please do. I could always use the free entertainment.

[SiouxBoys]

Just now, fightingsioux4life said:

Oh please do. I could always use the free entertainment.

Okay, I'll make it simple for you. Armacost was not the leading factor driving Bubba out. Entertaining enough for you?

[Goon]

15 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

Okay, I'll make it simple for you. Armacost was not the leading factor driving Bubba out. Entertaining enough for you?

Wasn't it the Alumni and donors? 

[SiouxBoys]

3 minutes ago, Goon said:

Wasn't it the Alumni and donors? 

I'm not going to speak on how it all went down, just know that the people being loud on this site about what happened, have no idea.

[fightingsioux4life]

28 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

Okay, I'll make it simple for you. Armacost was not the leading factor driving Bubba out. Entertaining enough for you?

So I'm supposed to believe that Chaves, after giving Bubba a big, fat contract extension two years ago, suddenly did a 180 and pushed him out?

All the money that moved around to set up that special job for Bubba to pay him the remaining $750K on his contract, plus the six figures to hire Schmidt, must have required the cooperation of a lot of people on campus. I find it hard to believe that Chaves did that without Presidential backing and/or prompting.

Chaves has a proven history of bad hires, which he then doubles and triples down on with ill-advised and unearned contract extensions. He is one of the worst athletic directors in the long and proud history of this institution. The sooner he is gone, the sooner we can get back to winning around here.

[hockeytherapy13]

5 hours ago, BusinessSoot said:

……..that doesn’t mean it converts automatically to quality leadership. It has been a divided locker room all year.

Oh boy here we go again with the divided locker.  They could be the bestest of best friends and spend every second of their time outside of the rink together hugging and holding hands and still lack hockey chemistry once they’re on the ice. Unless you have other evidence to back up the “divided locker room” bit other than the poor product on the ice (no one’s arguing there) put in on the shelf and leave it there. 

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

25 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

I'm not going to speak on how it all went down, just know that the people being loud on this site about what happened, have no idea.

Common occurrence 

[SiouxBoys]

5 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

So I'm supposed to believe that Chaves, after giving Bubba a big, fat contract extension two years ago, suddenly did a 180 and pushed him out?

All the money that moved around to set up that special job for Bubba to pay him the remaining $750K on his contract, plus the six figures to hire Schmidt, must have required the cooperation of a lot of people on campus. I find it hard to believe that Chaves did that without Presidential backing and/or prompting.

Chaves has a proven history of bad hires, which he then doubles and triples down on with ill-advised and unearned contract extensions. He is one of the worst athletic directors in the long and proud history of this institution. The sooner he is gone, the sooner we can get back to winning around here.

I frankly don't care what you want to believe. I'm just pointing out what you think happened, didn't. Sorry if reality doesn't agree with you.

[fightingsioux4life]

12 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

I frankly don't care what you want to believe. I'm just pointing out what you think happened, didn't. Sorry if reality doesn't agree with you.

The truth of my final paragraph cannot be disputed.

[SiouxBoys]

2 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

The truth of my final paragraph cannot be disputed.

Congrats. Notice I never said anything about it?

[BusinessSoot]

58 minutes ago, hockeytherapy13 said:

Oh boy here we go again with the divided locker.  They could be the bestest of best friends and spend every second of their time outside of the rink together hugging and holding hands and still lack hockey chemistry once they’re on the ice. Unless you have other evidence to back up the “divided locker room” bit other than the poor product on the ice (no one’s arguing there) put in on the shelf and leave it there. 

No thanks. This who know, know.

[HoopsFan03]

54 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

I frankly don't care what you want to believe. I'm just pointing out what you think happened, didn't. Sorry if reality doesn't agree with you.

You’re a good comedian  

[Blackheart]

15 hours ago, gfhockey said:

We see them at bars

This just in…college students spotted at local bars.  Story at 10!

[gfhockey]

24 minutes ago, Blackheart said:

This just in…college students spotted at local bars.  Story at 10!

There’s nothing wrong with that

 

however when one or two playas are sitting up at the bar with only one or two therrand the upper classman are at a table far away it begs the question

[tnt]

9 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

There’s nothing wrong with that

 

however when one or two playas are sitting up at the bar with only one or two therrand the upper classman are at a table far away it begs the question

If there was division, wouldn't they be at a totally different bar?   

[SIOUXELEVENS]

20 minutes ago, tnt said:

If there was division, wouldn't they be at a totally different bar?   

Quit bringing logic into this. 

[Irish]

1 hour ago, Blackheart said:

This just in…college students spotted at local bars.  Story at 10!

Thanks Neil and INewz

 

[siouxweet]

1 hour ago, tnt said:

If there was division, wouldn't they be at a totally different bar?   

Maybe they arrived late and there wasn't room at the table 

[90siouxfan]

I'm disappointed there is no puck bunny dispute in this far fetch story telling discussion. 

[jdub27]

13 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I find it hard to believe that Chaves did that without Presidential backing and/or prompting.

Chaves has a proven history of bad hires, which he then doubles and triples down on with ill-advised and unearned contract extensions. He is one of the worst athletic directors in the long and proud history of this institution. The sooner he is gone, the sooner we can get back to winning around here.

The bolded is a far different cry than the process being "driven" by the President.
There are plenty of examples of theories or narratives that you and others continue to push that have no basis in reality. Add this one to the list.

You are also free to have your opinion about the AD and there is zero disagreement that some of his hires haven't worked out (which every AD in the country is going to have on their resume) and it is pretty clear he's made some decisions that he would do over given hindsight (again, every AD is going to have some of those), but if you can't see the bigger picture on where UND currently sits in facilities, FCOA, Alston, NIL, scholarships and a host of other athletic and/or academic regards, than there is no point in further conversation. Armacost isn't keeping him around for fun. He's not being  elected to different committees and recognized by his peers because he's terrible at his job.

I would love to hear, specifically, what a change in the athletic director would do to allow UND to "get back to winning around here".

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, jdub27 said:

The bolded is a far different cry than the process being "driven" by the President.
There are plenty of examples of theories or narratives that you and others continue to push that have no basis in reality. Add this one to the list.

You are also free to have your opinion about the AD and there is zero disagreement that some of his hires haven't worked out (which every AD in the country is going to have on their resume) and it is pretty clear he's made some decisions that he would do over given hindsight (again, every AD is going to have some of those), but if you can't see the bigger picture on where UND currently sits in facilities, FCOA, Alston, NIL, scholarships and a host of other athletic and/or academic regards, than there is no point in further conversation. Armacost isn't keeping him around for fun. He's not being  elected to different committees and recognized by his peers because he's terrible at his job.

I would love to hear, specifically, what a change in the athletic director would do to allow UND to "get back to winning around here".

Specifically.....

-Chaves can stop hiring internally instead of conducting a national search. In WBB, Brewster was replaced internally by Mallory. The results speak for themselves and they are ugly. He just went internal to replace the non-renewed soccer coach. Maybe he'll get lucky on that one, but I am guessing not likely.

-Chaves can stop giving coaches an infinite amount of time to build their programs. How many years should Sather get? Mallory? Any thoughts on that? The last extension he gave Bubba was outrageous. And it cost us $750K to get out of.

-All the bells and whistles (facilities upgrades) are great and will help all programs recruit quality student-athletes. But if we have coaches in charge of programs that are underperforming (their players don't get better from one year to the next, they don't seem prepared for a particular opponent), I don't think they will be as successful as they should be.

-UND hockey has won a bunch of Penrose Cups, but national level success has been lacking for 9 long years. Fair or not (and I don't know if it is fair), national success is what people remember. We are becoming irrelevant nationally. And the longer we are, the harder it will be to fix it.

-Isn't the 1883 collective run by people outside the UND umbrella? Maybe I am wrong about that?

-We have become irrelevant compared to the other 3 Dakota schools. NDSU is celebrating another FCS title, before that, SDSU won back to back FCS titles. I think Schmidt can and will turn it around, but we wasted a lot of years and money waiting for Bubba to get it turned around. And it will make Schmidt's job that much more challenging. In basketball, all the other Dakota schools have had some national success in WBB and/or MBB. Our women's team isn't even in the same galaxy as either South Dakota school. March Madness would be a huge boon for this entire athletic department and all of UND in general, but you have to get there first.

-Finally, this whole concept that as long as the student-athletes are doing well in the classroom and the community, wins and losses are basically irrelevant, is a ridiculous false choice. You don't have to give up one to have the other. Yet, this false choice is spread on this forum by some contributors (they know who they are). I don't think we have to go to the Rutgers model, where we have great academics and athletic teams that are (with a few exceptions) mediocre.

But please, continue insisting that UND athletics is flying high and everything is "sol-id". Just don't expect me and others to buy into it.