UND @ Youngstown. 10/26/24

[UND1983]

I find it hard to believe that was a run play only based on how Q reacted post snap.  Cannot believe that was our play to win the game

[homer]

Just now, UND1983 said:

I find it hard to believe that was a run play only based on how Q reacted post snap.  Cannot believe that was our play to win the game

He looked left and saw an unblocked LB and has no where to run.  It’s a designed run left with the left tackle running by the LB and the right FB and right guard blocking the same player and leaving the LB untouched in the backfield.  You can see where it is supposed to hit and where it would have been if anyone gets a piece of the Youngstown LB.  

[wheelsup]

what is probably the most annoying to me is that we are here nitpicking a couple questionable calls on the offensive side.. where the defense laid another monster egg on the road.  If the defense was even mediocre yesterday we win that game by 2+ TD's

[Siouxperman8]

Guessing they were trying to build off the pistol set at end of half against NIU where Q rammed it up the middle from 1/2 yard line.  Sounds like the wanted the defense to bite on that and then throw pass. 

I get it but if you think you're better, run a play with your best offensive set and try to get 3 yards rather than fool somebody.  Way too cute.  The only ones we outsmarted was ourselves.  And we needed 3 yards, not 1/2 yard so I wouldn't have bitten on a qb rush up the middle either.

[wheelsup]

4 minutes ago, homer said:

He looked left and saw an unblocked LB and has no where to run.  It’s a designed run left with the left tackle running by the LB and the right FB and right guard blocking the same player and leaving the LB untouched in the backfield.  You can see where it is supposed to hit and where it would have been if anyone gets a piece of the Youngstown LB.  

If this was the actual plan.. then there is even more reason to have romfo in the game.  Q is a great short yardage back.. he is not shifty or fast.. he is a power guy.

[Siouxperman8]

From Tom Miller game story in Herald.

UND sent in Vaughn, who ran in a goal-line situation last week against Northern Iowa. The Hawks were expecting YSU to focus all efforts on Vaughn, allowing Vaughn to find tight end Jaden Norby sneaking out the play.

 

 

[UND1983]

Ummm….Norby blocked

[SiouxForever]

I saw the play. Vaughn was scrambling and then had a UND player wide open who dropped a layup pass. 

Yes, Vaughn was scrambling and it wasn’t probably the best play to start with, but how do you drop that light pass? 

[UND1983]

Just now, SiouxForever said:

I saw the play. Vaughn was scrambling and then had a UND player wide open who dropped a layup pass. 

Yes, Vaughn was scrambling and it wasn’t probably the best play to start with, but how do you drop that light pass? 

Sir, that was our left tackle

[The Sicatoka]

Q in shotgun nearly failed last week, so again? 

[zonadub]

Was Belquist open in the back of the end zone?

[UND-FB-FAN]

45 minutes ago, wheelsup said:

what is probably the most annoying to me is that we are here nitpicking a couple questionable calls on the offensive side.. where the defense laid another monster egg on the road.  If the defense was even mediocre yesterday we win that game by 2+ TD's

I completely agree. People shouldn’t even be talking about the 2 point conversion fail, the game was lost on several defensive failures prior to that.

The offense and Fruechte’s calls, as well as Romfo’s career best game, were the only reason UND even made it to overtime. GET off their back and focus on the real problem… Bubba Schweigert and his baby, the defense. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

34 minutes ago, zonadub said:

Was Belquist open in the back of the end zone?

kinda looked like he was to me ?

[SiouxBoys]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

Ummm….Norby blocked

No he didn't.

[UND1983]

13 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

No he didn't.

I thought that was Stay that leaked into flat.  My bad

[Sioux94]

2 hours ago, Siouxperman8 said:

From Tom Miller game story in Herald.

UND sent in Vaughn, who ran in a goal-line situation last week against Northern Iowa. The Hawks were expecting YSU to focus all efforts on Vaughn, allowing Vaughn to find tight end Jaden Norby sneaking out the play.

 

 

So the whole play relied on YSU not covering Norby when he ran out in the flat. The defender went with Norby....so play basically blown up at that point. Pinning the hopes of winning the game on the defense not covering a guy. 

I wondered if they ran that play the previous week to set something up in the future. They did, and if it was 4th half a yard maybe the defense focuses 100 percent on the run. When I saw that formation my guess it was going to be some type of miss direction pass and the defense new it too. 

[shep]

Watching the replay.

Much anger toward D last night, but OL could not move the pile.

 

[UND Football Fan]

9 minutes ago, shep said:

Watching the replay.

Much anger toward D last night, but OL could not move the pile.

 

That was my thoughts to, we had no push and the we bullying us.

[homer]

5 hours ago, Siouxperman8 said:

From Tom Miller game story in Herald.

UND sent in Vaughn, who ran in a goal-line situation last week against Northern Iowa. The Hawks were expecting YSU to focus all efforts on Vaughn, allowing Vaughn to find tight end Jaden Norby sneaking out the play.

 

 

I was wrong.  Looked run all the way with the OL release.  That and the 3rd and 2 would have been nice to execute.  

[Siouxperfan7]

After a day of reflection, we can all blame the 2 point call, but the D was the reason we lost.  They cant run the ball, they barely pass the ball, the only offense they have is their QB.  Contain him and they got nothing.  "You had one job" and they failed miserably.  

[geaux_sioux]

9 hours ago, Bison06 said:

He looks lined up as the left tackle here to me.

#62 C, #73 LG

Now I’m curious what the play call was. He blocks down and climbs to the second level like he was run blocking. Maybe it was some sort of RPO. 
My guess is this was a designed run that was supposed hit the left side. Right Guard pulls and the running back blocks left. That makes sense with how the left tackle blocked. I think the QB saw the play blown up and panicked so he just threw it up. This looks like a designed run play to me.

Watch Belquist’s route. He doesn’t run it like it’s a pass play until he’s sees it’s been blown up. This is why I was so critical of that shotgun formation against UNI. That got blown up too but their guys hit Q simultaneously and bounced off. Plus Simon was actually playing well and looked in control and they took him off the field so of course they pinned their ears back with no threat of a pass other than to 1 rb and 1 wr. If anything have both Q and Simon in the backfield. Now the defense would have to think more. I just think it was an overall bad concept and I hope they burn that page of the playbook.

[MinnDak]

1 minute ago, geaux_sioux said:

Watch Belquist’s route. He doesn’t run it like it’s a pass play until he’s sees it’s been blown up. This is why I was so critical of that shotgun formation against UNI. That got blown up too but their guys hit Q simultaneously and bounced off. Plus Simon was actually playing well and looked in control and they took him off the field so of course they pinned their ears back with no threat of a pass other than to 1 rb and 1 wr. If anything have both Q and Simon in the backfield. Now the defense would have to think more. I just think it was an overall bad concept and I hope they burn that page of the playbook.

Plays that rely on blocking the path of the ball are 50/50 at best. Our best runs are continually block left and run right or flip the other way. 

[UND1983]

Just a Monday morning reminder:  Bo was destroying their DB's the entire game in embarrassing fashion.  So naturally on the biggest play of the game UND takes out Simon, who is playing BY FAR his best game, and puts in a tight end who cannot complete a pass to save his life and decides to throw to a fullback in the flat while Bo runs a halfass decoy route on the back side.  

There is a 95% chance that Bo would've beat his guy in the corner of the end zone on that play.  

[The Sicatoka]

He had him beat across the back of the end zone. 

[UND1983]

27 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

He had him beat across the back of the end zone. 

That was a last resort route.  Q never even looked that way until he was going down.