2024 UND Football

[fightingsioux4life]

30 minutes ago, MinnDak said:

That’s not taking anything away from Bison so not sure what you are implying? 

Don't bother trying to figure him out.

[Siouxperman8]

4 hours ago, MinnDak said:

Offense is stacked. They might not be on the field if you follow that. There is more than a few that should be starting. I also hear chatter that’s some O and D lineman could move on either side of the ball and aren’t utilized.  Minnesota and Wisconsin player of the year both never found the field yet. Multiple lineman on both sides of the ball recruited by other big schools including the Iowa’s. Some have not found the field either. Kilty looks like a man possessed at KState. Ventrelli was best in FCS. Bryant starts at San Diego. On and on and on. 

Hard to argue with that.  It still seems like are too small on D and probably not fast enough to be national contenders.  Looked like we tried to spy the Youngstown qb with a LB and he just ran away from us anyway. 

[MinnDak]

1 hour ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Hard to argue with that.  It still seems like are too small on D and probably not fast enough to be national contenders.  Looked like we tried to spy the Youngstown qb with a LB and he just ran away from us anyway. 

Agree. It’s obvious the D is too small. We refuse to play any 300 lb D or O lineman. If you tall and are skinny and look like an outside linebacker you play interior D line here. Orlando and Beach should never come off the field except to rest. Gotta rush the ball with at least 4 or the result is we make every quick QB look like Lamar Jackson. Our 280 to 320 lb recruits never see the field. Back to offense Bo Belquist isn’t too bad either and we have 4 backs that could run for any team including FBS. 

[MinnDak]

And if you start the game off with a pick 6 at this point in the season you head to the bench and out comes #11 for the rest of the year and get some competition back on this team. 

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, MinnDak said:

Agree. It’s obvious the D is too small. We refuse to play any 300 lb D or O lineman. If you tall and are skinny and look like an outside linebacker you play interior D line here. Orlando and Beach should never come off the field except to rest. Gotta rush the ball with at least 4 or the result is we make every quick QB look like Lamar Jackson. Our 280 to 320 lb recruits never see the field. Back to offense Bo Belquist isn’t too bad either and we have 4 backs that could run for any team including FBS. 

4 of the 5 starting OL are 300lbs or more (the other is a 290 So) and 8 of the 12 on the 2-deep are 300 or more (anyone under that mark is a So or Fr and all are 285 or more). Not sure that argument holds water.
On the other hand, Beach is the only DL on the roster that is 300lbs or more. Not refusing 300lb DL isn't the problem, however not having any is a different story and one I'd agree with. Hoping the change in direction on the S&C side helps with that issue because it does definitely feel like UND's DE's are undersized.

[nodak651]

Our DC got hired because the last one resigned right before last season right?  Perhaps they should have made the DC an interim and then hired a DC with a good resume after last season.

[MinnDak]

1 hour ago, jdub27 said:

4 of the 5 starting OL are 300lbs or more (the other is a 290 So) and 8 of the 12 on the 2-deep are 300 or more (anyone under that mark is a So or Fr and all are 285 or more). Not sure that argument holds water.
On the other hand, Beach is the only DL on the roster that is 300lbs or more. Not refusing 300lb DL isn't the problem, however not having any is a different story and one I'd agree with. Hoping the change in direction on the S&C side helps with that issue because it does definitely feel like UND's DE's are undersized.

Yes O line is getting bigger. I meant more D side. Also the old O line coach was obsessed with being under sized/weight. A little more historical I should say. And the roster isn’t always accurate. 

[jdub27]

4 hours ago, MinnDak said:

Yes O line is getting bigger. I meant more D side. Also the old O line coach was obsessed with being under sized/weight. A little more historical I should say. And the roster isn’t always accurate. 

They slimmed down the first year he was here because they felt the talent wasn't were it needed to be so they thought they could play a little quicker to offset that. It failed and lasted one season before they worked on bulking them back up. 

Agree on the D side. DE's need to be bigger. They also were very much in on some guys that would fit the NT position but ended up losing out on them. 

[Sioux94]

Boise St. is on TV tonight. Last year we held this guy to like 65 yard or something.  This is what he had at half tonight. We hold Iowa State to 21 points. It is perplexing how we can shut a guy like Jeanty down, but then give up 200-300 yards on the ground to FCS teams and look so damn bad on defense.  

[Wilbur]

Something that bugs me a bit is hearing that Simon is now on scholarship.  Editor's Note*  Love the effort he plays with, love he's a small town kid playing D1, love he worked his way to starting QB as a walk on, love he earned a scholarship and he's getting his education paid for.

The little devil on my shoulder says, "Great kid!  Good for him!  Do you like that these are the skill sets we are handing out our limited D1 scholarships to?  He can't throw it down field against a legit defense?"

Maybe time to give Jerry some time next week?  

 

[sioux24/7]

12 hours ago, Sioux94 said:

Boise St. is on TV tonight. Last year we held this guy to like 65 yard or something.  This is what he had at half tonight. We hold Iowa State to 21 points. It is perplexing how we can shut a guy like Jeanty down, but then give up 200-300 yards on the ground to FCS teams and look so damn bad on defense.  

He also had 3 TDs 

[Oxbow6]

12 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

Something that bugs me a bit is hearing that Simon is now on scholarship.  Editor's Note*  Love the effort he plays with, love he's a small town kid playing D1, love he worked his way to starting QB as a walk on, love he earned a scholarship and he's getting his education paid for.

The little devil on my shoulder says, "Great kid!  Good for him!  Do you like that these are the skill sets we are handing out our limited D1 scholarships to?  He can't throw it down field against a legit defense?"

Maybe time to give Jerry some time next week?  

 

It is just insane Jerry hasn't seen the field getting meaningful reps in certain situations that have been presented to date. That is strictly ignorance and arrogance on the part of the HC and OC. 

[Irish]

1 minute ago, Oxbow6 said:

It is just insane Jerry hasn't seen the field getting meaningful reps in certain situations that have been presented to date. That is strictly ignorance and arrogance on the part of the HC and OC. 

Bubba being Bubba - he doesn't learn anything from experience - nothing.

[MinnDak]

9 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

It is just insane Jerry hasn't seen the field getting meaningful reps in certain situations that have been presented to date. That is strictly ignorance and arrogance on the part of the HC and OC. 

Exactly. Watching yesterday after 2 awful losses thinking the same thing. Second half first play don’t you start plugging in some players that can at least try to maybe a difference. Line is getting rolled on both sides of the ball again. O-line couldn’t stop a 3-4 man rush. We have one good run Smith  breaks 1-2 tackles and beats everyone to the end zone again to make O line look good for the week.  Do we not have any D line man on the team? QB is swamped every play and can’t throw. Deng Deng on the team? Tai?  Bo has 2.5 games left so let’s save him for playoffs. SDSU obviously scouted and exploited every weakness. SDSU corner end zone passes were a work of art. I wonder if we have a QB that could do that? No sense trying that play. 
 

How do all the coaches go along with it 3 weeks in a row and just say “yep, this is the best anyone can do.” 

[UND Football Fan]

I am on board when a game is out of hand put back up QB in. Most teams do this. I also wish the let them play during meaningful moments for a series or packages. SDSU (back up was hurt this week) has done this and so has NDSU. 
 

I did look like we played our beefier interior line men but we do not have two deep with the size and it showed a lot after 1st quarter. Unlike last few games against SDSU we did not look physically smaller, however lack of depth did hurt. What I saw in the first half (lots bad) but one that strips out before D-Lune got gassed was poor tackling, along with no cavalry to help clean up. 
 

We go from battling SDSU at their place last game of the year in 2021 to a defense we have now. (2021 team lost every game except one, I believe by one score) Three years staff could have brought in similar to better talent (or coached them better) from the 2021 team and we continue to regress on Defense. The problem with this team and teams especially since 2021 is mainly defensive either coaching or recruiting. If Bubba stays, most of the defensive staff would have to be replaced. If not, the program could possibly regress more. 

 

 

[wheelsup]

I do not understand the idea of firing the DC and not the HC.. the DC is running bubbas defensive system.. the last DC running the system also stunk.. and Schmidt certainly struggled as well depending on the year.. they brought in dosch to help and the defense still stinks.. 

replacing the DC and not blaming the HC/system/etc is like tying your shoe on an amputated leg to stop from tripping. 

[F'n Hawks]

3 minutes ago, wheelsup said:

I do not understand the idea of firing the DC and not the HC.. the DC is running bubbas defensive system.. the last DC running the system also stunk.. and Schmidt certainly struggled as well depending on the year.. they brought in dosch to help and the defense still stinks.. 

replacing the DC and not blaming the HC/system/etc is like tying your shoe on an amputated leg to stop from tripping. 

So if they make Schwenzfeier the scapegoat, what do they even do? Would probably have to promote Dosch because who from the outside would want this job?

To be clear, it does seem like Schwenzfeier never should have gotten the job and is overmatched. But there is obviously a bigger problem that you alluded to (the fact that Bubba is still the HC)

[UND92,96]

Mark Farley of UNI is retiring at the end of the season. He's a little younger than Bubba.

[F'n Hawks]

9 minutes ago, UND92,96 said:

Mark Farley of UNI is retiring at the end of the season. He's a little younger than Bubba.

Looks like his contract is one year less than Bubba, he was extended through 2026.

[SIOUXFAN97]

4 hours ago, F'n Hawks said:

So if they make Schwenzfeier the scapegoat, what do they even do? Would probably have to promote Dosch because who from the outside would want this job?

To be clear, it does seem like Schwenzfeier never should have gotten the job and is overmatched. But there is obviously a bigger problem that you alluded to (the fact that Bubba is still the HC)

i was wondering when dosch's name would come up.....lots of years under his belt.....i always wonder how mad he is on the inside when he sees some of this effort and he knows he can't really go over joel's head and make a scene or something.....

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

i was wondering when dosch's name would come up.....lots of years under his belt.....i always wonder how mad he is on the inside when he sees some of this effort and he knows he can't really go over joel's head and make a scene or something.....

Dosch is a Lennon/Bubba disciple. This defense is what it is with this group; no outside influence and broken. The entire defensive staff needs to be replaced, which technically includes the head coach since it’s his defense. Bottom line is we are at the end of a 25-year run of the Lennon/Bubba 3-4 defense. There were some highlights during the era, especially the early 2000s, but the last several seasons have been rough. All good things eventually must come to an end. Change is inevitable. I’m all for an open search for someone with no ties - UND football is in need of it: change and outside influence, but most importantly a winning culture with accountability, discipline, and expectations of a high standard. 

[HoopsFan03]

What’s our updated Massey rating??

[Sioux95]

8 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

It is just insane Jerry hasn't seen the field getting meaningful reps in certain situations that have been presented to date. That is strictly ignorance and arrogance on the part of the HC and OC. 

Either they want Jerry to leave, or they are absolutely incompetent. 

[Sioux94]

5 hours ago, Sioux95 said:

Either they want Jerry to leave, or they are absolutely incompetent. 

And we all know it's the latter. Absolutely ridiculous Jerry didn't get some snaps Saturday, and more in some other games. Blows my mind a coach can be that inept. 

[The Sicatoka]

Massey 18
Sagarin 13