SiouxHawkGuy Posted January 30 Posted January 30 10 hours ago, gfhockey said: All the coaches see the ship sinking and are bailing Not all of them 3 Quote
NDSU grad Posted January 30 Posted January 30 10 hours ago, jdub27 said: Do either of those even have an open OL coaching spot.....? NDSU has filled all of its open coaching spots. Quote
Tolna Posted January 30 Posted January 30 47 minutes ago, NDSU grad said: NDSU has filled all of its open coaching spots. That you know of. 1 Quote
gfhockey Posted January 30 Posted January 30 Berg on radio said Landry wanted to go someone where that he will be competitive awful decision. Both sides ( not sure what he means by that) but Jake wanted to do what’s best for his family and didn’t really care about the effects of it as long as his family is ok and said must be something wrong with the program with people leaving 1 Quote
UND-FB-FAN Posted January 30 Posted January 30 2 hours ago, SiouxHawkGuy said: Not all of them Not coincidental here it’s the ol’ gray haired guy who overstays his welcome … (for historical context, Edward Smith and Bubba Schweigert should not be confused as the same person) Quote
SooToo Posted January 30 Posted January 30 13 hours ago, gfhockey said: All the coaches see the ship sinking and are bailing So I'm confused and can't keep up. How many assistants have left exactly? There was Freund after, what, a dozen years? Then Landry, sort of. Then Pawlak left three times. So is the total five? 1 Quote
sioux24/7 Posted January 30 Posted January 30 12 hours ago, homer said: He has left for the 3rd time this off-season. Busy guy. if it’s said enough times on this board eventually it will be correct. https://careers.und.edu/jobs/football-assistant-coach-offensive-line-grand-forks-north-dakota-united-states Quote
UND-FB-FAN Posted January 30 Posted January 30 6 minutes ago, SooToo said: So I'm confused and can't keep up. How many assistants have left exactly? There was Freund after, what, a dozen years? Then Landry, sort of. Then Pawlak left three times. So is the total five? Defensive staff is full of inbred ineptitude so really the turnover has come from the only staff worth anything in the long-term (hence the reason they went to top regional programs). Overall, this situation is awful for UND football. Hopefully some big-time decisions will be made in approximately 10 months to save UND football program. Quote
SooToo Posted January 30 Posted January 30 7 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: Defensive staff is full of inbred ineptitude so really the turnover has come from the only staff worth anything in the long-term (hence the reason they went to top regional programs). Overall, this situation is awful for UND football. Hopefully some big-time decisions will be made in approximately 10 months to save UND football program. So, the correct number is still five? Quote
forksandspoons Posted January 30 Posted January 30 15 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said: https://careers.und.edu/jobs/football-assistant-coach-offensive-line-grand-forks-north-dakota-united-states Oof. What is going on?? Quote
jdub27 Posted January 30 Posted January 30 I'm confused as well. If coaches leave, that automatically means that things are going bad in a program? Or is there some sort of arbitrary test that is applied to see whether it is beneficial for ones argument? Pretty sure NDSU lost their head coach (to be LB coach at USC??), OC (to take the same job in a worse conference for a worse team and then had to steal UND's?) and also multiple assistants. Are things in a tailspin there? 1 1 Quote
Kab Posted January 30 Posted January 30 So what I’m hearing on this board is that there must be something wrong with any coach that comes to UND ? landry f’d this program, scumbag to me, if he didn’t think UND would be competitive don’t accept in the first place , I hate the bison and he will fit right in to me turnover in coaching is to be expected, with bubba on a short leash in MHO it will be tough to get top notch coaches especially with the pay scale and Chaves is hiding out where? Quote
forksandspoons Posted January 30 Posted January 30 9 minutes ago, Kab said: and Chaves is hiding out where? This…. 1 Quote
UND-FB-FAN Posted January 30 Posted January 30 21 minutes ago, jdub27 said: I'm confused as well. If coaches leave, that automatically means that things are going bad in a program? Or is there some sort of arbitrary test that is applied to see whether it is beneficial for ones argument? Pretty sure NDSU lost their head coach (to be LB coach at USC??), OC (to take the same job in a worse conference for a worse team and then had to steal UND's?) and also multiple assistants. Are things in a tailspin there? NDSU has won numerous championship. UND hasn’t won a single playoff game (unless you count diluted pandemic season). Apples to oranges comparison. one or two coaches may be coincidental, but when you have numerous coaches leaving for lateral roles back to back to back, there is a trend. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. But sure, stick your head in the mud, ignore the burning house while you sit in it, whistle happily on the sinking ship, whatever it takes. Hopefully leadership doesn’t take the same approach and has a contingency plan; failing to prepare is preparing to fail. Could argue that is reason UND football is where it is. 1 2 Quote
Oxbow6 Posted January 30 Posted January 30 For all the UND FB apologists here...does the last 10 years not account for anything? It's a rhetorical question. If you respond you've outed yourself. 2 2 Quote
GForks Posted January 30 Posted January 30 38 minutes ago, jdub27 said: I'm confused as well. If coaches leave, that automatically means that things are going bad in a program? Or is there some sort of arbitrary test that is applied to see whether it is beneficial for ones argument? Pretty sure NDSU lost their head coach (to be LB coach at USC??), OC (to take the same job in a worse conference for a worse team and then had to steal UND's?) and also multiple assistants. Are things in a tailspin there? Call it arbitrary if that makes you feel better, but I think it's pretty easy to see that our coaches are leaving due to things not going great, and the same does not apply to NDSU currently. Also, are you implying that NDSU head coach going to LB coach at USC is a step down? Quote
AJS Posted January 30 Posted January 30 I don't blame any coach for jumping ship. Chaves is the most culpable for the current situation, no doubt, honestly, until Freund left, I would argue it was 100% his doing. Once things started to go side-ways, Bubba deserves as much criticism as Chaves. Bubba being the head coach is the issue. What a sad way for Bubba to go out. 3 Quote
F'n Hawks Posted January 30 Posted January 30 32 minutes ago, jdub27 said: I'm confused as well. If coaches leave, that automatically means that things are going bad in a program? Or is there some sort of arbitrary test that is applied to see whether it is beneficial for ones argument? Pretty sure NDSU lost their head coach (to be LB coach at USC??), OC (to take the same job in a worse conference for a worse team and then had to steal UND's?) and also multiple assistants. Are things in a tailspin there? Our offensive staff must have been getting sick of how bad the defense has been. We certainly had a good group of coaches on the offensive side (and still might). I don’t understand how anyone can try and spin what’s happening to be a positive thing. The way I see it, they all see the writing on the wall. I hope I’m wrong but don't see how these team succeeds next year. 1 1 Quote
AJS Posted January 30 Posted January 30 Pre-Landry leaving, I would have been confident that we wouldn't see have seen any April portal entries outside of those buried on the depth chart. Now, I would be surprised if we don't. This is really bad. Completely embarrassing, no way you spin it. 3 Quote
gundy1124 Posted January 30 Posted January 30 42 minutes ago, ND1 said: Joe is going to Montana, unsure what role Taking Rob Phenicie's position(most likely), who left for Bucknell to be OC. Griz position historically has been TE and Tackles. Quote
SooToo Posted January 30 Posted January 30 How many coaches have left? Still looking for an answer. Interesting that numerous posters here advocating to hire young up-and-coming coaches who move on after a few years for greener pastures. Pawlak -- by all accounts a young talent -- moves on from und after 5 years and the sky is falling. Quote
sioux24/7 Posted January 30 Posted January 30 I have no problem with coaches leaving to pursue better opportunities and more specifically in the FBS. Right now, we are seeing coaches taking the same or lesser jobs within the FCS and even our own conference. Do we not strive to be the best? Are we fine with being an average to slightly above average program? That’s certainly not what I want. 2 Quote
sioux24/7 Posted January 30 Posted January 30 Just now, SooToo said: How many coaches have left? Still looking for an answer. Interesting that numerous posters here advocating to hire young up-and-coming coaches who move on after a few years for greener pastures. Pawlak -- by all accounts a young talent -- moves on from und after 5 years and the sky is falling. Refer to my most recent post. 1 Quote
gundy1124 Posted January 30 Posted January 30 College FB F'n sucks now. 1 year left to follow for family reasons then I am not wasting my time with this crap. Player and coach carousels is all it is. The FBS 12 team tournament will be interesting but besides that, CFB can burn itself down to the ground then only have themselves to blame. 4 Quote
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