Popular Post iramurphy Posted December 4 Popular Post Posted December 4 58 minutes ago, Dustin said: Not to poo-poo on the signing day celebration, but there's a lot of talk about what a good thing it was keeping all the recruits in this class, but also a lot of talk in the new coach thread that we need better recruits. So, if the current staff, whose recruits have underwhelmed the fans, especially on defense, just recruited this class, what should make me feel any better about their future performance as student athletes? Were these recruits committing to UND over our primary rivals? Some were, some weren’t. Evaluating recruits starts when they come to summer camps and/or when HS and JC coaches respond to questionnaires sent asking them to rate any of their players who they think have enough potential to play college ball. Coaches review those responses and subsequently invite kids to summer camps and get game film. No one checks fan forums to evaluate players. If some FBS and multiple FCS teams offer then it’s more likely you have a potential blue chipper. But this staff has uncovered a number of guys who no one else offered or were PWO’s who have excelled. The staff is convinced these are 23 guys who can help the program and they all signed this am. None of the 23 decommitted despite the coaching unknowns. That is impressive. 5 Quote
UND1983 Posted December 4 Posted December 4 1 hour ago, Dustin said: Not to poo-poo on the signing day celebration, but there's a lot of talk about what a good thing it was keeping all the recruits in this class, but also a lot of talk in the new coach thread that we need better recruits. So, if the current staff, whose recruits have underwhelmed the fans, especially on defense, just recruited this class, what should make me feel any better about their future performance as student athletes? Were these recruits committing to UND over our primary rivals? Stability. Walk before we run 3 Quote
UND92,96 Posted December 4 Posted December 4 South Dakota State has done pretty well with recruits no other division I schools offered: https://www.siouxfallslive.com/sports/college/south-dakota-state-football-a-program-built-on-underdogs Quote
Dustin Posted December 4 Posted December 4 2 minutes ago, UND92,96 said: South Dakota State has done pretty well with recruits no other division I schools offered: https://www.siouxfallslive.com/sports/college/south-dakota-state-football-a-program-built-on-underdogs Sounds like how UND took over NDSU in the '90s - with undersized and underrecruited underdogs a la Mike Mooney. Gives me some hope anyways that that can be replicated again. Quote
UND Football Fan Posted December 4 Posted December 4 4 hours ago, shep said: My continuing complaint is there are OL's 300 pounds or close and the DL is a 245 guy. Need more meat on DL Even a Mark Callahan was under under 275 in high school (he wrestled) It should not take long for him to gain muscle/weight. I do agree the 6-2 300 pounder we got should try some NG/DT. My time at UND it was not uncommon for big D-Line that are not overly twitchy get move or OL later in their careers. Once on offense line, they never crossed over to D-Line unless goal line defense. 2 Quote
NDRA Posted December 5 Posted December 5 Holding all the commits was certainly a great job by the interim coach. But with improving the quality of recruits is the goal I don't see this class as any great improvement over past classes. According to 247 UND signed 2 three star and 6 two star recruits. Compare that to the SUs Rabbits signed 11 three stars and 5 two star recruits Byeson signed 16 three star and 5 two recruits. Ain't closing the gap on the SUs that way. 2 Quote
jdub27 Posted December 5 Posted December 5 25 minutes ago, NDRA said: Holding all the commits was certainly a great job by the interim coach. But with improving the quality of recruits is the goal I don't see this class as any great improvement over past classes. According to 247 UND signed 2 three star and 6 two star recruits. Compare that to the SUs Rabbits signed 11 three stars and 5 two star recruits Byeson signed 16 three star and 5 two recruits. Ain't closing the gap on the SUs that way. Zero argument that on paper that those two have better classes than UND. But ranking by stars isn't the way to do it. Many of the players they signed didn't get upgrade to 2 or 3 star players until after they committed. Plenty of politics that goes on behind the scenes with how players get to those spots. Overall point still remains that UND needs to continue striving to get better players and start winning more battles for players with multiple offers. That isn't debatable at all. 3 1 Quote
GoodGood Posted December 5 Posted December 5 Did we win any recruiting battles against the su’s? Quote
NDRA Posted December 5 Posted December 5 8 minutes ago, jdub27 said: Zero argument that on paper that those two have better classes than UND. But ranking by stars isn't the way to do it. Many of the players they signed didn't get upgrade to 2 or 3 star players until after they committed. Plenty of politics that goes on behind the scenes with how players get to those spots. Overall point still remains that UND needs to continue striving to get better players and start winning more battles for players with multiple offers. That isn't debatable at all. I realize stars aren't the end all of recruiting. Not trying to disagree with you but, I follow recruiting somewhat closely for SD and ND schools, and their 3 star signees were that way before they signed. They pretty much all have G5 or P4 offers, some just have a shitload of FCS offers. 1 Quote
AJS Posted December 5 Posted December 5 5 minutes ago, GoodGood said: Did we win any recruiting battles against the su’s? Wagner, but possibly on a technicality. Think NDSU ran out of scholarships. Quote
gfhockey Posted December 5 Posted December 5 22 hours ago, tnt said: Gotta be tough when many could be lame duck coaches. All the well wishes in the world for these guys knowing by 12/31 they could be on the hunt Quote
NDRA Posted December 5 Posted December 5 Just now, AJS said: Wagner, but possibly on a technicality. Think NDSU ran out of scholarships. I think you are correct, they already had 3 OL with good offer lists committed. Quote
AJS Posted December 5 Posted December 5 2 minutes ago, NDRA said: I realize stars aren't the end all of recruiting. Not trying to disagree with you but, I follow recruiting somewhat closely for SD and ND schools, and their 3 star signees were that way before they signed. They pretty much all have G5 or P4 offers, some just have a shitload of FCS offers. This usually turns into a fairly unproductive conversation. I'm in complete agreement with you, as someone who likes to follow recruiting as well. Feels like the SU's are recruiting at a completely different level. I'm very optimistic that with a new coach and the facilities that are being completed in the next month, that next year's class really takes off. Quote
NDRA Posted December 5 Posted December 5 12 minutes ago, AJS said: This usually turns into a fairly unproductive conversation. I'm in complete agreement with you, as someone who likes to follow recruiting as well. Feels like the SU's are recruiting at a completely different level. I'm very optimistic that with a new coach and the facilities that are being completed in the next month, that next year's class really takes off. Yes, facilities and good leadership can turn the tables rather quickly. Quote
wheelsup Posted December 6 Posted December 6 4 hours ago, Hambone said: D2 transfer WR is it odd that we are offering portal guys without having a head coach? Quote
DL Sioux Posted December 6 Posted December 6 2 minutes ago, wheelsup said: is it odd that we are offering portal guys without having a head coach? I’m guessing it’s business as usual, just like signing day. People trying to keep jobs. Quote
Dustin Posted December 6 Posted December 6 29 minutes ago, wheelsup said: without having a head coach? I would assume that’s what the interim head coach is doing. 2 Quote
wheelsup Posted December 6 Posted December 6 31 minutes ago, Dustin said: I would assume that’s what the interim head coach is doing. So I get the part about interim coaches.. keeping the current team .. current recruits.. but offering new transfer guys when a new coach is right around the corner? Seems a little dumb to me Quote
Parkers Pros Posted December 6 Posted December 6 Coach is going at it like he is not leaving regardless and needs to get “his” guys when they are available. I am pretty sure that is what we want any of our coaches to do. I’d like to see some offers for a 300 lb nose and a couple 280lb defensive ends.. 1 Quote
Sioux27 Posted December 6 Posted December 6 On 12/4/2024 at 2:12 PM, UND Football Fan said: Even a Mark Callahan was under under 275 in high school (he wrestled) It should not take long for him to gain muscle/weight. I do agree the 6-2 300 pounder we got should try some NG/DT. My time at UND it was not uncommon for big D-Line that are not overly twitchy get move or OL later in their careers. Once on offense line, they never crossed over to D-Line unless goal line defense. I remember him playing HS basketball against my home town. Did he play two sports or switch? Quote
UND Football Fan Posted December 6 Posted December 6 17 minutes ago, Sioux27 said: I remember him playing HS basketball against my home town. Did he play two sports or switch? I do not know but he took 3rd place at State Senior Year. Quote
90siouxfan Posted December 6 Posted December 6 So still running the 3-4 or is nose guard just a fun term? Quote
SiouxFan100 Posted December 6 Posted December 6 Let’s get undersized nose guards and use them as defensive ends Quote
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