The Sicatoka Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 8 hours ago, GDPritch said: Such a joke that Alaska-Fairbanks with their lack luster schedule is rated like 12th in the PW well ahead of UND. Believe half their wins easily have been vs teams ranked 35 -60 in the PW. Guessing NCAA brass is in on that. Lost a bit of confidence in PW calculation process/objectivity. They've won the games on their schedule and it's good enough. If there's a problem with PWR it's that they have to tweek it annually for "good road win" and other nonsense, plus they can adjust the weighting factors. KRACH is a better, more truly objective criteria, that should be used instead of PWR. I don't always agree with CollegeHockeyNews.com but on this I do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 I've seen this "kratcxk" quip for decades... what's the story? Has it ever been considered? Rejected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusinessSiouxt Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 9 hours ago, brianvf said: The CC and DU fans are busing up from Colorado together. All 8 of them. Must be using ‘the short bus’… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 the last goal scored by Hain, was very similar to the goal that lamarioux scored during the 6 goal "timeout" game at the final five vs the gophers.....4 guys standing and looking at a UND player scoring. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusinessSiouxt Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 12 hours ago, Sweethockey said: Will they do the “stick thing”? LOL Out of respect for their fans, I assume so. What’s wrong with that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxkid12 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 11 hours ago, mikejm said: I wonder why NCHC.TV isn’t doing the Frozen Faceoff? Look like CBSSports does. How does a cord cutter watch that? Because all the NCHC members wanted a national TV deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxkid12 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 10 hours ago, GDPritch said: Such a joke that Alaska-Fairbanks with their lack luster schedule is rated like 12th in the PW well ahead of UND. Believe half their wins easily have been vs teams ranked 35 -60 in the PW. Guessing NCAA brass is in on that. Lost a bit of confidence in PW calculation process/objectivity. Alaska is currently 15th in the PW and with them being an independent team, it's highly unlikely they make the tournament, especially with a few upsets going on. A good way to not worry about the PW is to just win your games and leave no doubt. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, BusinessSiouxt said: Must be using ‘the short bus’… The short bus? They could fit ‘em all into a Kia Soul! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, 90siouxfan said: I've seen this "kratcxk" quip for decades... what's the story? Has it ever been considered? Rejected? It's too objective and analytic. No knobs to twiddle like PWR and RPI, so no "twiddle the criteria" committees and you have to have twiddle committees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: The short bus? They could fit ‘em all into a Kia Soul! Which would work great for all the carjacking going on here in the metro! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 11 hours ago, Goon said: That’s what we need Minneapolis, potholes and crime. No thanks. LOL St. Paul has all of those things, too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said: It's too objective and analytic. No knobs to twiddle like PWR and RPI, so no "twiddle the criteria" committees and you have to have twiddle committees. I didn't realize there was twiddling going on, thought the pairwise was all about clarity & objectivity. But I guess, people do like to twiddle, especially when no one is monitoring the ,.... uh wait, what was this about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said: I didn't realize there was twiddling going on, thought the pairwise was all about clarity & objectivity. They "adjust" the weightings of WinPct, OppWinPct, and OppOppWinPct in RPI frequently; RPI is a key factor in PWR. They have "good road win" fudge factors that they've brought in to the RPI also. They used to use a "Last 16 games" comparison in PWR (besides RPI, ComOpp, and H2H). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: They "adjust" the weightings of WinPct, OppWinPct, and OppOppWinPct in RPI frequently; RPI is a key factor in PWR. They have "good road win" fudge factors that they've brought in to the RPI also. They used to use a "Last 16 games" comparison in PWR (besides RPI, ComOpp, and H2H). Is this done on a moment to moment basis? Or a year end evaluation and tweak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said: Is this done on a moment to moment basis? Or a year end evaluation and tweak? Every off-season it seems. KRACH is pure analytic. It's based off Bradley-Terry modeling methodology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, siouxkid12 said: Alaska is currently 15th in the PW and with them being an independent team, it's highly unlikely they make the tournament, especially with a few upsets going on. A good way to not worry about the PW is to just win your games and leave no doubt. The need merimack to lose and no upsets in conference tournaments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 I think the only change from last year is how OT is handled, since OT moved to 3 vs 3. I believe this is what the pairwise would have looked like with last years formula. As of 2022-23, OTs are all 3-on-3, and thus an OT win is only counted as 0.6666 of a win, and 0.3333 of a loss. Change the weightings here as you see fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfan512 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 16 hours ago, mikejm said: I wonder why NCHC.TV isn’t doing the Frozen Faceoff? Look like CBSSports does. How does a cord cutter watch that? I watch on YouTube TV. Maybe you can get a free trial or something? It may be specific to the channels available where ever you are though; that part I'm not sure about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 For those with pairwise expertise how did the Arizona state game affect Und pairwise would Und be a lock for the regionals if they had won that game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Kab said: For those with pairwise expertise how did the Arizona state game affect Und pairwise would Und be a lock for the regionals if they had won that game https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/ -> Customize tab 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfan512 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 15 hours ago, GDPritch said: Such a joke that Alaska-Fairbanks with their lack luster schedule is rated like 12th in the PW well ahead of UND. Believe half their wins easily have been vs teams ranked 35 -60 in the PW. Guessing NCAA brass is in on that. Lost a bit of confidence in PW calculation process/objectivity. 15 hours ago, tnt said: It is what it is. If we are o.k. with it only when it turns out well for us, then we are hypocritical. They beat Denver, we didn’t, they swept Arizona State, we didn’t. We needed to take care of business in those games and we would be in. Yeah, I have no beef with Alaska being in or ahead of UND. UND issues of being below Alaska are because we lost games we shouldn't have lost. As was pointed out, just look at the comparable with DU and ASU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfan512 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 14 hours ago, cowboys5xsbs said: Does Saint Cloud have anything to play for? They seem pretty locked into where they will be come the big tournament. We might be able to get a lead early and have them pack it in for the tournament. I'm sure there are regional implications that could play into this. Not sure where SCSU could land, but if they end up in Fargo, they might have to deal with UND again their. Not exactly to their advantage as a higher seed. I'm sure they would rather be the closest fanbase to the facility ... though a good chance Gophers would end up there unless UND makes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 22 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/ -> Customize tab Thanks, Looks like Und would be 16 had they beat asu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDMOORHEAD Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, Kab said: Thanks, Looks like Und would be 16 had they beat asu We also lost to Miami, tied Bemidji, and didn't beat Denver once this year. I would imagine changing the Miami and Bemidji game to a win would move us up quite a bit. Add in one win against Denver this year and we'd probably be 13 or higher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, UNDMOORHEAD said: one win against Denver One win against (presumably) Denver and all is solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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