2023 Football Season

[The Sicatoka]

14 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

NDSU AD is running those numbers right now. I figure they are down about 20,000 tickets on their 6 home games this year (not counting US Bank game).  

22546 (@USBank, MSP)
15044
15016
18342
14255
13876
14191 

Using 19k as capacity (and throwing out US Bank game) your "20k" guess is off by about 3k (23276). 
Throw out an average of $22 a stub and 23276 is over a half million dollars. 

The gate matters. 

[Sioux27]

22 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Without disclosing too much, up to this point, he’s chosen to not address it (one way or the other). This dates back to 2018. That’s fine, probably not something to comment on. I’m certainly not single-handedly providing any buyout, so again, that is fair. 

So thats a "no I haven't talked to him"?

[Kab]

11 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

22546 (@USBank, MSP)
15044
15016
18342
14255
13876
14191 

Using 19k as capacity (and throwing out US Bank game) your "20k" guess is off by about 3k (23276). 
Throw out an average of $22 a stub and 23276 is over a half million dollars. 

The gate matters. 

And lose Und share of a $9 beer 

[Sioux27]

27 minutes ago, shep said:

Perhaps unrelated to UND football, but imagine being a Texas AM fan knowing the cost to rid your team of all coaches is around 125 MILLION!

I believe it's closer to $75MM to $80MM.  Still quite astonishing that any one person is worth that dime.

[The Sicatoka]

The aTm HC is $75M alone.
The staff is another $50M-ish. 

[NDSU grad]

19 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

22546 (@USBank, MSP)
15044
15016
18342
14255
13876
14191 

Using 19k as capacity (and throwing out US Bank game) your "20k" guess is off by about 3k (23276). 
Throw out an average of $22 a stub and 23276 is over a half million dollars. 

The gate matters. 

$55 for sideline seats for SIU. You could probably double your total. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

25 minutes ago, Sioux27 said:

So thats a "no I haven't talked to him"?

you’re not privy 

[Mama Sue]

23 minutes ago, Sioux27 said:

I believe it's closer to $75MM to $80MM.  Still quite astonishing that any one person is worth that dime.

I read the $125M in the paper….unbelievable. Also there were 3 coaches fired Sunday…2 head coaches and an OC. Can’t remember the schools 

[nodak651]

1 hour ago, Kab said:

Chaves should pay attention to what the average fan thinks

keep losing games and attendance will drop

2000 less fans per game is $50,000 x 5 = $250,000 per year

win and add 2000 per game and you add $250,000 per year

really simple math for Chaves 

why do you think they lower prices on certain weekends for hockey, A $15 ticket for 3000 fans who wouldn’t buy a $40 ticket makes sense on a thanksgiving or New Years weekend when students are gone .

I agree, but don't forget to deduct 52% for the REA.

[The Sicatoka]

52 minutes ago, NDSU grad said:

$55 for sideline seats for SIU. You could probably double your total. 

Thank you. 
I was going "average $22" thinking some of the nosebleeds were going discount. 
No matter what, a cool half mill seems opening bid. 

[NDSU grad]

5 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Thank you. 
I was going "average $22" thinking some of the nosebleeds were going discount. 
No matter what, a cool half mill seems opening bid. 

I live in Minot so I don’t make many games. Really wasn’t much of a discount on the secondary market. But to your point, it should keep Matt Larsen up at night. 

[CMSioux]

1 hour ago, Kab said:

Chaves should pay attention to what the average fan thinks

keep losing games and attendance will drop

2000 less fans per game is $50,000 x 5 = $250,000 per year

win and add 2000 per game and you add $250,000 per year

really simple math for Chaves 

why do you think they lower prices on certain weekends for hockey, A $15 ticket for 3000 fans who wouldn’t buy a $40 ticket makes sense on a thanksgiving or New Years weekend when students are gone .

Is it realistic to think that UND football could sell out the Alerus every game, we are currently averaging around 9,500 attendance. What percentage of teams in the top 20 sell out every home game - SDSU does not. 

[nodak651]

6 hours ago, CMSioux said:

Is it realistic to think that UND football could sell out the Alerus every game, we are currently averaging around 9,500 attendance. What percentage of teams in the top 20 sell out every home game - SDSU does not. 

I don't see any reason not to expect sell outs at the Alerus Center given that NDSU could draw 18-19 K and UND can sell 11.5K twice a weekend for hockey.  For that to happen, UND needs more buy-in from casual sports fans and hockey fans.  I think that is happening, slowly.  Finally getting an NDSU win will help in the long run with the casual fans.

Most of the schools you're referring to also have much larger stadiums though.  Not really a ton of apples to apples comparisons from stadium/program/institution standpoint across the FCS.  Idaho may be the closest comparison, maybe?  UND's FB program is extremely unique when you compare us to other schools across the national landscape.  

[homer]

32 minutes ago, NDSU grad said:

I live in Minot so I don’t make many games. Really wasn’t much of a discount on the secondary market. But to your point, it should keep Matt Larsen up at night. 

I actually went to that game on Saturday.  Whoever bought yours for $55 certainly didn’t look very hard.   We bought 2 at the gate and were given 10 for no charge.  Apparently lots of people wearing blue and red if you think there is a demand for tickets.  

[CMSioux]

11 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

I don't see any reason to expect we shouldn't sell out the Alerus Center given that NDSU could draw 18-19 K and UND can sell 11.5K twice a weekend for hockey.  For that to happen, UND needs more buy-in from casual sports fans and hockey fans.  I think that is happening, slowly.  Finally getting an NDSU win will help in the long run with the casual fans.

Most of the schools you're referring to also have much larger stadiums though.  Not really a ton of apples to apples comparisons from stadium/program/institution standpoint across the FCS.  Idaho may be the closest comparison, maybe?  UND's FB program is extremely unique when you compare us to other schools across the national landscape.  

College football attendance is hard to figure out. Last week attendance at the USD game was what I would consider abysmal for a top 10 team that was 3-8 last year. Last year was the first time in 8 years that FCS attendance was up (5%). If winning could push UND attendance up that same 5% that would only be an additional 500 fans (based on current average of 9,500) hardly noticeable. It's a trend and just about every school is facing it.  

[The Sicatoka]

21 minutes ago, homer said:

We bought 2 at the gate and were given 10 for no charge. 

Buy two get ten free?
Seriously?
Ouch. 

[homer]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Buy two get ten free?
Seriously?
Ouch. 

The 10 were from a friend and the season tickets around them but no interest in going.  Had family coming to town Friday night with NDSU ties and just asked around. For him to act like people are lining up to get in the dome is funny at best.  
 

Their student section rivaled ours as far as attendance so it’s not just a UND problem.  

[NDSU grad]

39 minutes ago, homer said:

The 10 were from a friend and the season tickets around them but no interest in going.  Had family coming to town Friday night with NDSU ties and just asked around. For him to act like people are lining up to get in the dome is funny at best.  
 

Their student section rivaled ours as far as attendance so it’s not just a UND problem.  

I never said anything like that. Just stated what the face value of a ticket to an NDSU football game is. 

[Sioux>Bison]

Lots of farmers still trying to get corn out of their fields and deer hunting have a big impact on attendance this time of year

[Sioux>Bison]

UND needs to get back on track. Win and they are in the playoffs. Need to have another big showing on Saturday to finish the season right for the seniors. A home playoff game is most likely awaiting them if we draw lucky.

[nodak651]

25 minutes ago, NDSU grad said:

I never said anything like that. Just stated what the face value of a ticket to an NDSU football game is. 

I think NDSU may be looking at an issue similar to what Gopher Hockey faced after the Big Ten was formed.

Just a guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if businesses own a decent chunk of NDSU's tickets that go unused.  The businesses didn't really seem to sell them ever, especially if for a loss.  

Fan apathy.  People have "been there & done that", and the band wagon fans aren't interested in watching a team that no longer has the same  hype and excitement around it.  Dom and McFeely and Kolpack trashing FCS on the TV and in print, nearly non stop, can't help at all either.  They are constantly belittling the FCS, similar to how people (justifiably) were crapping all of the Big Ten Hockey conference and how bad it was.  This did and does make winning feel less good, so that reduces how much time and money fans are willing to invest (is return worth the investment)

NDSU losing to SDSU 5X in a row and now UND and USD this year reminds me of the Gophers record vs MN schools from about 2013-2020.

SDSU stole NDSU's thunder similar to how UMD won 2 or 3 national championships, along with SCSU, Mankato, UND, and Denver all having national success.

Gophers program/fandom is now on the upswing again, imo.  NDSU is going to get worse before they get better.  They have to hit rock bottom.

[NDSU grad]

3 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

I think NDSU may be looking at an issue similar to what Gopher Hockey faced after the Big Ten was formed.

Just a guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if businesses own a decent chunk of NDSU's tickets that go unused.  The businesses didn't really seem to sell them ever, especially if for a loss.  

Fan apathy.  People have "been there & done that", and the band wagon fans aren't interested in watching a team that no longer has the same  hype and excitement around it.  Dom and McFeely and Kolpack trashing FCS on the TV and in print, nearly non stop, can't help at all either.  They are constantly belittling the FCS, similar to how people (justifiably) were crapping all of the Big Ten Hockey conference and how bad it was.  This did and does make winning feel less good, so that reduces how much time and money fans are willing to invest (is return worth the investment)

Fan apathy is a huge problem. The student section on Saturday was abysmal. Matt Larsen definitely has a problem on his hands. 
it’s kind of funny, this was the first home game I’ve been to since 2013. Even though the game was pretty boring after halftime I had a blast, but the experience was kind of ‘new’ for me again. 

[nodak651]

Just now, NDSU grad said:

Fan apathy is a huge problem. The student section on Saturday was abysmal. Matt Larsen definitely has a problem on his hands. 
it’s kind of funny, this was the first home game I’ve been to since 2013. Even though the game was pretty boring after halftime I had a blast, but the experience was kind of ‘new’ for me again. 

I seriously think the news guys in Fargo are a huge part of that.  They bash the FCS constantly, and ironically, they sound like UND hockey fans from 10-15 years ago, when they were comparing hockey and fcs football.  They'd say the FCS was JV, that it wasn't the best competition, nobody cares, no casual interest nationally, etc.  All a pointless argument really.  It's pretty crazy the Fargo media bashes the product that they invest so much time and money in to cover.  Especially when an FBS invite doesn't seem to be coming, and because if NDSU did go FBS, WDAY would lose their TV rights.

[NDSU grad]

18 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

I seriously think the news guys in Fargo are a huge part of that.  They bash the FCS constantly, and ironically, they sound like UND hockey fans from 10-15 years ago, when they were comparing hockey and fcs football.  They'd say the FCS was JV, that it wasn't the best competition, nobody cares, no casual interest nationally, etc.  All a pointless argument really.  It's pretty crazy the Fargo media bashes the product that they invest so much time and money in to cover.  Especially when an FBS invite doesn't seem to be coming, and because if NDSU did go FBS, WDAY would lose their TV rights.

Interesting perspective. Never considered that. 

[iramurphy]

On 11/12/2023 at 2:43 PM, geaux_sioux said:

Also: have we learned our lesson about the magic carpet and wearing cleats yet? I’d trust the home teams understand what works best on that stuff and they have a ton of guys wearing turf shoes and indoor soccer shoes on most wr and db. 

Might stop taping over shoes. Smith tapes over both shoes. Doesn’t do anything for ankles but 2-3 inches of bottom of his shoes are covered with adhesive tape.