The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I think it’s prudent among intelligent people to make distinctions that go slightly further than the NCAA’s black and white rules when we look at individual cases. In this context and conversation, no, it's not. This is the NCAA's sandbox. Their black/white rules are all that matter. Want to have the other chat? Our Community forum is available to talk about the community impacts. Or if you want to argue against the punitive NCAA black/white rules? There's a forum for that also. Free free there as well. But here, this conversation is framed in the NCAA rules domain. Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cratter said: Independent contractors still work for the University. The university hired, and paid, Newman. The "staff/coach" part I'll give ya. I’m not a lawyer. Someone else might be able to speak to the technicalities of who would be liable if indeed BN did supply the supplement. 1 Quote
Mama Sue Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Yup... this is NOT someone who will just go back to a different, distant state and live his life. Sad for the kid.... a lot of tarnish on all those trophies at this point.... Go get’em Mama Bear... this was pure wrong and the cover up made it worse Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, The Sicatoka said: In this context and conversation, no, it's not. This is the NCAA's sandbox. Their black/white rules are all that matter. Want to have the other chat? Our Community forum is available to talk about the community impacts. Or if you want to argue against the punitive NCAA black/white rules? There's a forum for that also. Free free there as well. But here, this conversation is framed in the NCAA rules domain. You’re the only one who specifically framed it that way. Others are having a much more robust conversation surrounding the topic. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I think it’s more likely they are playing the political speech game, which I hate, but technically what the AD said is true. BN isn’t a coach or on staff at NDSU. I’m not defending that language, but legally that technically protects the University, which is the AD’s job. Is that why they said this Newman fellow is "reimbursed" but stopped short of saying they are on the payroll? But if Newman is an independent contractor, isn't he being compensated by NDSU (but not officially on staff and payroll). Or is he volunteering. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I think it’s more likely they are playing the political speech game, which I hate, but technically what the AD said is true. BN isn’t a coach or on staff at NDSU. I’m not defending that language, but legally that technically protects the University, which is the AD’s job. Here we agree. I suspect intentional weasel-wordage as well. Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, The Sicatoka said: Is that why they said this Newman fellow is "reimbursed" but stopped short of saying they are on the payroll? But if Newman is an independent contractor, isn't he being compensated by NDSU (but not officially on staff and payroll). Or is he volunteering. I would agree, the word reimbursed was chosen very carefully I would wager. As was the rest of his statement. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, Bison06 said: It’s the rules so I guess they all have to play by them, but not making a distinction between different substances is just laziness by the NCAA. Not a bit surprising I suppose. Can we agree that the NCAA's line is doing something intentionally that gives an unfair advantage, be it stimulant or steroid? Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said: Can we agree that the NCAA's line is doing something intentionally that gives an unfair advantage, be it stimulant or steroid? I agree, but would take away the word intentional as they also make no distinction there. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, Bison06 said: I agree, but would take away the word intentional as they also make no distinction there. I give you that. The NCAA is just looking at outcome. They don't care how it got there, just that it was. Quote
gundy1124 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 "Ben’s proven tools and methods from YOUR Mental Toughness Playbook" Instant Classic. Ironically, Alabama hires this slime-ball, too. Could have guessed that one. 1 Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, gundy1124 said: "Ben’s proven tools and methods from YOUR Mental Toughness Playbook" Instant Classic. Ironically, Alabama hires this slime-ball, too. Could have guessed that one. I don’t know BN nor do I care if he goes down in this deal if that’s the outcome. But, I think it’s important to note that it’s very possible and likely that this wasn’t done intentionally. Either way it’s extremely irresponsible on his part if true, but it’s possible he isn’t exactly the devil either. As we’ve discussed extensively, the supplement industry is the Wild West. If I was in his position, I would never take on the liability associated with giving a player anything at all. Quote
homer Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I don’t know BN nor do I care if he goes down in this deal if that’s the outcome. But, I think it’s important to note that it’s very possible and likely that this wasn’t done intentionally. Either way it’s extremely irresponsible on his part if true, but it’s possible he isn’t exactly the devil either. As we’ve discussed extensively, the supplement industry is the Wild West. If I was in his position, I would never take on the liability associated with giving a player anything at all. That should make Robbins feel better that it wasn’t done intentionally. Quote
Cratter Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 If it wasn't done intentionally, a lot of Bison players instantly knew who provided the banned substance. 1 Quote
Bubbasburner Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 36 minutes ago, Mama Sue said: Yup... this is NOT someone who will just go back to a different, distant state and live his life. Sad for the kid.... a lot of tarnish on all those trophies at this point.... Go get’em Mama Bear... this was pure wrong and the cover up made it worse Tarnish on all our trophies because of 1 positive test? Good grief. Get a life. Quote
FlinFlan80 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bubbasburner said: Tarnish on all our trophies because of 1 positive test? Good grief. Get a life. Get a life? You are the one that spends your day on an opposing teams fan blog just to post comments like the one above. You sir are a waste of space. Why don't you call Ben Newman and have him give you one of his famous talks, pound a pre workout and hit the gym together. 1 Quote
Cratter Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bubbasburner said: Tarnish on all our trophies because of 1 positive test? Good grief. Get a life. Lol. It's been going on for years. Quote
gundy1124 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I don’t know BN nor do I care if he goes down in this deal if that’s the outcome. But, I think it’s important to note that it’s very possible and likely that this wasn’t done intentionally. Either way it’s extremely irresponsible on his part if true, but it’s possible he isn’t exactly the devil either. As we’ve discussed extensively, the supplement industry is the Wild West. If I was in his position, I would never take on the liability associated with giving a player anything at all. Obviously, the substance wasn't suppose to be detected. I think Newman does have some explaining to do, which he does well with his proven tools and methods from YOUR Mental Toughness Playbook. There is another twist coming on how Newman was paid, can't wait on how this is explained!! Quote
Bubbasburner Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cratter said: Lol. It's been going on for years. If it's been going on for years, why only 1 positive test? Quote
Tolna Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 32 minutes ago, gundy1124 said: "Ben’s proven tools and methods from YOUR Mental Toughness Playbook" Instant Classic. Ironically, Alabama hires this slime-ball, too. Could have guessed that one. http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25625119/three-suspended-alabama-players-play-season Quote
Cratter Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bubbasburner said: If it's been going on for years, why only 1 positive test? They are told to stop taking it before the playoffs so it's no longer in the system. Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cratter said: They are told to stop taking it before the playoffs so it's no longer in the system. It’s disengenous to state opinions as facts. Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 26 minutes ago, Cratter said: If it wasn't done intentionally, a lot of Bison players instantly knew who provided the banned substance. Smh Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 26 minutes ago, Bubbasburner said: If it's been going on for years, why only 1 positive test? NDSU says they test their own on their own. Could they be "tuning", making sure they stay under detectable levels during specific periods of time? Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, Tolna said: http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25625119/three-suspended-alabama-players-play-season Isn't that another Ben Newman client? (Hint here.) 1 Quote
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