Who would UND hire?

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, shep said:

If Chaves wrote it, it requires he runs over the Presidents family pets and is on both the P Diddy List and the Epstein List.

[fightingsioux4life]

2 hours ago, iramurphy said:

I thought the problem was the head coach. 

I have no aversion to UND using donors money to improve the program including changing coaches. I don’t believe those that donate the money are interested in hearing from those who don’t donate as to how to accomplish the task. That is reality. $1,000,000 to buy out a contract isn’t in the budget. I believe it has to come from outside sources. 

I would gladly contribute something to a buyout effort. I am sure others would as well. So spare me the "those who don't donate" crap.

I just pointed out the reality of how all this is funded. Whether you or I like it or not (and I think it is pretty ridiculous) is irrelevant.

[zonadub]

17 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

In the small picture we are the joke of the other 3 Dakota schools. Until that ends UND FB is basically irrelevant.

If NDSU and/or SDSU (and even USD) along with the Montanas and maybe Idaho moved to FBS, all indications are that UND cannot afford to make the move with them if the AD can’t come up with $1MM buyout. Doesn’t show that a $5MM move up fee would be possible.

 

disclaimer… doubt NDSU will get an invitation, but UND is not prepared to be ready if they do.

[The Sicatoka]

6 minutes ago, zonadub said:

If NDSU and/or SDSU (and even USD) along with the Montanas and maybe Idaho moved to FBS, all indications are that UND cannot afford to make the move with them if the AD can’t come up with $1MM buyout. Doesn’t show that a $5MM move up fee would be possible.

 

disclaimer… doubt NDSU will get an invitation, but UND is not prepared to be ready if they do.

Each that you mention has a stumbling block in their path. 

[AJS]

I want to look at this from a different point of view than I have been. Playing a bit of devil's advocate, what I'm asking is does Chaves have plausible deniability up until this upcoming offseason? It was a very unpopular extension, but simplifying of course, his case to Armacost or any booster would be, we were coming off two straight playoff appearances and Bubba feels they can take the next step by fixing X & Y. @Cratter did a good job explaining that point of view last night.

Now, the red flags started instantly after the extension. Losing two long term Asst. Coaches to "like" schools. Key pieces entering the portal after spring ball. We've all witnessed what's transpired this year. Which brings us up until this point. I don't believe there's anyone who believes in the trajectory of this program anymore. If Bubba is not bought out, Chaves is knowingly heading to the worst off-season this program has seen as far the transfer portal. He knows Bubba will burn this program to the ground and he's letting him. There's no spin, no plausible deniability for Chaves anymore. He's the only person that can stop it. 

[zonadub]

13 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Each that you mention has a stumbling block in their path. 

Yep. The biggest stumbling block is a lack of an invitation. Agreed.

[Big Green]

7 minutes ago, AJS said:

I want to look at this from a different point of view than I have been. Playing a bit of devil's advocate, what I'm asking is does Chaves have plausible deniability up until this upcoming offseason? It was a very unpopular extension, but simplifying of course, his case to Armacost or any booster would be, we were coming off two straight playoff appearances and Bubba feels they can take the next step by fixing X & Y. @Cratter did a good job explaining that point of view last night.

Now, the red flags started instantly after the extension. Losing two long term Asst. Coaches to "like" schools. Key pieces entering the portal after spring ball. We've all witnessed what's transpired this year. Which brings us up until this point. I don't believe there's anyone who believes in the trajectory of this program anymore. If Bubba is not bought out, Chaves is knowingly heading to the worst off-season this program has seen as far the transfer portal. He knows Bubba will burn this program to the ground and he's letting him. There's no spin, no plausible deniability for Chaves anymore. He's the only person that can stop it. 

I believe he had 2 years left on his contact so I believe the extension should have waited 1 more year.    I could have bought the extension if there was one year left and wanted to give him a chance to recruit with new facilities in place.  I would still have disagreed with the extension, however I could have seen the reasoning.

 

[wheelsup]

20 minutes ago, AJS said:

I want to look at this from a different point of view than I have been. Playing a bit of devil's advocate, what I'm asking is does Chaves have plausible deniability up until this upcoming offseason? It was a very unpopular extension, but simplifying of course, his case to Armacost or any booster would be, we were coming off two straight playoff appearances and Bubba feels they can take the next step by fixing X & Y. @Cratter did a good job explaining that point of view last night.

Now, the red flags started instantly after the extension. Losing two long term Asst. Coaches to "like" schools. Key pieces entering the portal after spring ball. We've all witnessed what's transpired this year. Which brings us up until this point. I don't believe there's anyone who believes in the trajectory of this program anymore. If Bubba is not bought out, Chaves is knowingly heading to the worst off-season this program has seen as far the transfer portal. He knows Bubba will burn this program to the ground and he's letting him. There's no spin, no plausible deniability for Chaves anymore. He's the only person that can stop it. 

I believe the red flags u mentioned all happened before the extension. 

the assistant coaches left in Dec/jan.. I think most of the portal guys left earlier.. 

bubba was extended in March.. 

[jdub27]

45 minutes ago, zonadub said:

If NDSU and/or SDSU (and even USD) along with the Montanas and maybe Idaho moved to FBS, all indications are that UND cannot afford to make the move with them if the AD can’t come up with $1MM buyout. Doesn’t show that a $5MM move up fee would be possible.

 

disclaimer… doubt NDSU will get an invitation, but UND is not prepared to be ready if they do.

Coming up with buyout money is different than money to upgrade your standing within the athletic world.
I don't think the $5MM would be the hurdle if there was an FBS invite. I think all the schools you mentioned would be able to figure that out. It is the sustained cost of upgrading the budget by a decent amount that would be the hurdle for any of the schools you mentioned. Some have publicly stated as much.

[UND1983]

SDSU does not have more money than UND.  Anyone notice the “SDSU to FBS” talk never comes out of SD?  

[AJS]

27 minutes ago, wheelsup said:

I believe the red flags u mentioned all happened before the extension. 

the assistant coaches left in Dec/jan.. I think most of the portal guys left earlier.. 

bubba was extended in March.. 

From my recollection, Bubba was officially extended in March, but the rumor was Danny left, because he found out the plan was for Bubba to be extended.  The post right after Danny left and the reason is seared into my memory. Is there plausible deniability? Yes. Do I believe the post and not the quote Bubba said, yes. The portal exits that I would count as red flag would be any starter after spring ball, those happened in April.

[UND1983]

27 minutes ago, AJS said:

From my recollection, Bubba was officially extended in March, but the rumor was Danny left, because he found out the plan was for Bubba to be extended.  The post right after Danny left and the reason is seared into my memory. Is there plausible deniability? Yes. Do I believe the post and not the quote Bubba said, yes. The portal exits that I would count as red flag would be any starter after spring ball, those happened in April.

This is correct.  Danny left due to Bubba staying on. 

[jdub27]

22 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

This is correct.  Danny left due to Bubba staying on. 

He didn't leave because Bubba was staying and/or got an extension, he left because UND can't guarantee him head coach in waiting. Officially offering someone a job that isn't open would have caused significant issues given ND public entity hiring laws. It is what it is, but probably worked out better for him and his replacement has proven to be pretty good.

[90siouxfan]

2 hours ago, zonadub said:

If NDSU and/or SDSU (and even USD) along with the Montanas and maybe Idaho moved to FBS, all indications are that UND cannot afford to make the move with them if the AD can’t come up with $1MM buyout. Doesn’t show that a $5MM move up fee would be possible.

 

disclaimer… doubt NDSU will get an invitation, but UND is not prepared to be ready if they do.

Perhaps the reason for not executing an obviously needed buy out is to keep the funds for this event?

[90siouxfan]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

SDSU does not have more money than UND.  Anyone notice the “SDSU to FBS” talk never comes out of SD?  

I wonder if moo u knows this and sees it as an added incentive to move up?

[gfhockey]

Can someone post funding per mvfc school 

 

where’s all our money go?

[UND1983]

45 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

He didn't leave because Bubba was staying and/or got an extension, he left because UND can't guarantee him head coach in waiting. Officially offering someone a job that isn't open would have caused significant issues given ND public entity hiring laws. It is what it is, but probably worked out better for him and his replacement has proven to be pretty good.

That would be incorrect. Danny wanted his shot at the job this past winter, then the job became "unavailable" when many thought it was going to be "available".

[Cratter]

3 hours ago, zonadub said:

If NDSU and/or SDSU (and even USD) along with the Montanas and maybe Idaho moved to FBS, all indications are that UND cannot afford to make the move with them if the AD can’t come up with $1MM buyout. Doesn’t show that a $5MM move up fee would be possible.

 

disclaimer… doubt NDSU will get an invitation, but UND is not prepared to be ready if they do.

That's why I advocate going straight to the top.

Get a good coach and double their current salary and/or UNDs football coaches.

No pussyfooting around with hoping "this guy" will be good.

"We don't have money to go FCS"....yet they always find a way.

"NDSU doesn't have FBS money to pay a coach".....yet they'd find a way.

UND can find a way to bring in the highest paid FCS coach if they really wanted too...

[Cratter]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

That would be incorrect. Danny wanted his shot at the job this past winter, then the job became "unavailable" when many thought it was going to be "available".

Danny wanted a shot to be the head coach of UND Football this season?

Many thought Bubba wouldn't be head coach this year? 

[Hawkster]

2 hours ago, jdub27 said:

He didn't leave because Bubba was staying and/or got an extension, he left because UND can't guarantee him head coach in waiting. Officially offering someone a job that isn't open would have caused significant issues given ND public entity hiring laws. It is what it is, but probably worked out better for him and his replacement has proven to be pretty good.

With Danny we at least had a winning record and made the playoffs, even if it was one and done.   We aren't doing either of those this year.   I don't know what to make of Fruechte.

[UND1983]

32 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Danny wanted a shot to be the head coach of UND Football this season?

Many thought Bubba wouldn't be head coach this year? 

Why do you feel he left immediately after hearing Bubba wanted to keep going for at least a couple more years? 

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Can someone post funding per mvfc school 

 

where’s all our money go?

right out the bottom of rea......

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 minute ago, UND1983 said:

Why do you feel he left immediately after hearing Bubba wanted to keep going for at least a couple more years? 

exactly.....when danny went to the meeting and found out bubba getting even more years......he essentially quit.

[Cratter]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

Why do you feel he left immediately after hearing Bubba wanted to keep going for at least a couple more years? 

I just didn't think many people thought Bubba wasn't going to be coaching UND football right now.

I'd guess he must have been throwing out the thought of retirement?

 

[Tolna]

18 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Can someone post funding per mvfc school 

 

where’s all our money go?

Not sure if this is what your looking for:

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison...thers-at-bison

The report says South Dakota State spends $8.8 million a year on football. North Dakota State is next at $6.41 million and the rest of the league goes as follows in millions: North Dakota $6.02, Missouri State $5.24, Southern Illinois $5.21, Illinois State $4.8, Youngstown State $4.71, South Dakota $4.45, Murray State $4.03 and Northern Iowa $3.8.