Who would UND hire?

[SiouxFan100]

How many of our coaches have voluntarily left for a  higher level job in any sport? Hakstol? and  Going back fifteen years

[UND-FB-FAN]

11 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

Then we disagree on the best approach. Another option is to pay a significant amount toward a buyout.

If our donations drop significantly, and attendance is markedly down, it makes it more difficult to attract recruits and some potential coaches. If support stays strong, our program is more attractive from the outside looking in.  Once donors find other options for donations, a number of them don’t come back. 

People have posted that our sister school to the south fired a coach who was something like 60-11. I understood boosters showed up with checkbooks rather than abandon ship but I wasn’t there, so I may be wrong. 
 

Money talks, especially if it’s someone else’s money. With this problem, is obvious more is said than done. 

Why was there an extension issued to a coach who has won only 1 playoff game in 10 seasons? That is the issue with the buyout cost and “money talks” argument - the situation was intentionally put into place so there would be this current excuse of ongoing mediocrity and inaction. It’s not fooling anyone, but I appreciate you being a spokesperson for the lack of accountability, but it’s not fooling many. Borderline corruption (if not overt) within the athletic department…

[fightingsioux4life]

4 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

Money talks, especially if it’s someone else’s money. With this problem, is obvious more is said than done. 

We need to get over this aversion to "spending other peoples money" because that is what funds intercollegiate athletics today. Whether we think it's "immoral" or "wrong" or just plain ridiculous is irrelevant. Either we adapt to that reality or we get left behind.

We never should have moved up to D-1 without some idea to properly fund our programs at a level where we could compete. That is the ultimate root of our current problems.

[AJS]

In a way this feels a bit surreal. Everyone outside of Chaves and Bubba had the script written after this last extension. Unless stopped, Bubba will burn this program to the ground. This upcoming offseason will be 2x worse than last. Next year worse than this year. It’s so crazy that Chaves is going to let this happen. 

[F'n Hawks]

Will be interested to see who enters the portal after once it opens. Could be worse than last year

[fightingsioux4life]

8 minutes ago, AJS said:

In a way this feels a bit surreal. Everyone outside of Chaves and Bubba had the script written after this last extension. Unless stopped, Bubba will burn this program to the ground. This upcoming offseason will be 2x worse than last. Next year worse than this year. It’s so crazy that Chaves is going to let this happen. 

A buyout will be cheaper a year from now. Whether that will make any difference is unknown.

[Cratter]

51 minutes ago, Hawkster said:

You were right, Muss had two years left.  But still only cost $175,000

How much would it cost to pull a former NDSU head coach to coach UND?

We can instantly go to the top with enough $$$$!!!

Or maybe we can offer SDSU's current head coach 3x what he makes now?!

[UND1983]

10 minutes ago, Cratter said:

How much would it cost to pull a former NDSU head coach to coach UND?

We can instantly go to the top with enough $$$$!!!

Or maybe we can offer SDSU's current head coach 3x what he makes now?!

Are you implying that a 'perceived' better coach is not worth it?  

[AJS]

21 minutes ago, F'n Hawks said:

Will be interested to see who enters the portal after once it opens. Could be worse than last year

I’m guessing it’ll be considerably worse. Which isn’t a surprise since it’s apparent to everyone that this program is heading off a cliff. How frustrating it’ll be for 360 and Tom Miller who will write how it’s part of being in the FCS. Clearly ignoring how the other Dakota / Montana schools will only lose a few key players. 

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, AJS said:

I’m guessing it’ll be considerably worse. Which isn’t a surprise since it’s apparent to everyone that this program is heading off a cliff. How frustrating it’ll be for 360 and Tom Miller who will write how it’s part of being in the FCS. Clearly ignoring how the other Dakota / Montana schools will only lose a few key players. 

The 360 guys are way more objective than Tom Miller or anyone else at the Heraldo.

[Cratter]

14 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Are you implying that a 'perceived' better coach is not worth it?  

I'm not sure what that means.

I think better coaches are better coaches.

We can get one of the best at the end of the year and almost instantly go upwards!

Just wonder how much we gotta spend!

And I say let's do it.

I think we should go out and get the current SDSU head coach!

I think we can all agree he's probably one of the best in FCS!

[UND1983]

2 minutes ago, Cratter said:

I'm not sure what that means.

I think better coaches are better coaches.

We can get one of the best at the end of the year and almost instantly go upwards!

Just wonder how much we gotta spend!

And I say let's do it.

I think we should go out and get the current SDSU head coach!

I think we can all agree he's probably one of the best in FCS!

ok

[CMSioux]

UND just hosted an open house for the Memorial Village. They shared that all student athletes will benefit from it. Player-parents, recruits and their parents and current players are excited and energized. Parents of current players are sharing that UND is the best-looking campus in the conference with so much new construction, facilities improvements and focus on their kids getting a great education. Meanwhile there are a dozen Debbie Downers on here that are clueless about what others are seeing. Will we lose some to the portal - no question. It's the new reality. But what UND is building for academics will no doubt build its athletics.  

[HoopsFan03]

2 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

UND just hosted an open house for the Memorial Village. They shared that all student athletes will benefit from it. Player-parents, recruits and their parents and current players are excited and energized. Parents of current players are sharing that UND is the best-looking campus in the conference with so much new construction, facilities improvements and focus on their kids getting a great education. Meanwhile there are a dozen Debbie Downers on here that are clueless about what others are seeing. Will we lose some to the portal - no question. It's the new reality. But what UND is building for academics will no doubt build its athletics.  

Did you get a chance to talk to Bubba at the event?

[iramurphy]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

We need to get over this aversion to "spending other peoples money" because that is what funds intercollegiate athletics today. Whether we think it's "immoral" or "wrong" or just plain ridiculous is irrelevant. Either we adapt to that reality or we get left behind.

We never should have moved up to D-1 without some idea to properly fund our programs at a level where we could compete. That is the ultimate root of our current problems.

I thought the problem was the head coach. 

I have no aversion to UND using donors money to improve the program including changing coaches. I don’t believe those that donate the money are interested in hearing from those who don’t donate as to how to accomplish the task. That is reality. $1,000,000 to buy out a contract isn’t in the budget. I believe it has to come from outside sources. 

[UND1983]

6 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

UND just hosted an open house for the Memorial Village. They shared that all student athletes will benefit from it. Player-parents, recruits and their parents and current players are excited and energized. Parents of current players are sharing that UND is the best-looking campus in the conference with so much new construction, facilities improvements and focus on their kids getting a great education. Meanwhile there are a dozen Debbie Downers on here that are clueless about what others are seeing. Will we lose some to the portal - no question. It's the new reality. But what UND is building for academics will no doubt build its athletics.  

Why do our teams all suck then?  I was told the indoor facility was a "game changer"

[Oxbow6]

In the small picture we are the joke of the other 3 Dakota schools. Until that ends UND FB is basically irrelevant.

[UND08]

1 hour ago, iramurphy said:

Then we disagree on the best approach. Another option is to pay a significant amount toward a buyout.

If our donations drop significantly, and attendance is markedly down, it makes it more difficult to attract recruits and some potential coaches. If support stays strong, our program is more attractive from the outside looking in.  Once donors find other options for donations, a number of them don’t come back. 

People have posted that our sister school to the south fired a coach who was something like 60-11. I understood boosters showed up with checkbooks rather than abandon ship but I wasn’t there, so I may be wrong. 
 

Money talks, especially if it’s someone else’s money. With this problem, is obvious more is said than done. 

They didn’t fire him…all done under the table…and because he’s a good enough coach (hence the 60-11 record) he had options.  But what NDSU tends to do really well is listen to their stakeholders.  

I’m not saying they’re perfect…but again somebody has to sell the vision.  I’m no longer contributing toward the program if Bubba is leading it.  I’m sorry that hurts the feelings of the old guard but that’s not a worthwhile investment to me.  I’ve had 10+ years of track record to make that decision.  If the vision is there…it’s a different story.

[AJS]

One thing we can all agree on, UND’s campus is top tier and in a few short months, their facilities will match. It really is sad, what should be the biggest momentum boost to the football program is being anchored down by Bubba. 
 

Who thinks this will be the worst off-season to the portal yet? Giving the excitement of the new facilities, you’d think it’d be the opposite. It should be the opposite. Loss by loss. Nap by nap. Bubba is burning it to the ground.

[UND-FB-FAN]

25 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

But what UND is building for academics will no doubt build its athletics.  

It will help, but ultimately athletics will get better with better athletes, and athletes I’m afraid don’t only care about academics. You can argue until you’re blue in the face how that makes you upset and it’s not the way it’s supposed to be, but the fact of the matter is the transfer portal and NIL minimizes academic’s role within division 1 athletics. UND needs better coaches and higher expectations with the appropriated funds; that’s what will build athletics. When it’s 4th and goal on the road in the Fargodome, or in Youngstown, Ohio, do you think the shiny quality of the new buildings will make a difference? A few better players with the new facilities,sure, maybe, but they really will come to UND for NIL/$ and a winning culture. Coaches set that standard with not only recruiting but development, motivation and in-game strategy. It is wishful thinking (or perhaps delusional thinking) to think the buildings will solve this on their own. 

[SiouxFan100]

I’m afraid that many of our players will enter the portal with just a few moving to a higher level

[UND-FB-FAN]

7 minutes ago, AJS said:

One thing we can all agree on, UND’s campus is top tier and in a few short months, their facilities will match. It really is sad, what should be the biggest momentum boost to the football program is being anchored down by Bubba. 
 

Who thinks this will be the worst off-season to the portal yet? Giving the excitement of the new facilities, you’d think it’d be the opposite. It should be the opposite. Loss by loss. Nap by nap. Bubba is burning it to the ground.

All very true. So much potential if a high-quality coaching staff was in place to match the high-quality facilities now in place.

[UND-FB-FAN]

27 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

I thought the problem was the head coach. 

He and many on his staff are the main problem, yes. Of course there are other problems, no doubt. Always will be. That’s life.

[The Sicatoka]

Can someone give me a quick snapshot take, a clear picture, of what “with cause” would look like in under that contract? 

[shep]

20 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Can someone give me a quick snapshot take, a clear picture, of what “with cause” would look like in under that contract? 

If Chaves wrote it, it requires he runs over the Presidents family pets and is on both the P Diddy List and the Epstein List.