Who would UND hire?

[UND08]

5 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Would be nice to get a road W and send the seniors off on a high note. Whatever happens after that is what it is.

6 minutes ago, Dustin said:

It shouldn't.  I hope they win for the sake of the seniors, and all players, and really, even Bubba.  But Bubba shouldn't be coaching for his job this Saturday. He should be coaching the last game of his career regardless.

I agree with all of this.

[fightingsioux4life]

12 minutes ago, shep said:

If you listen to the 360 guys you'll hear Kelly say that it's nice UND has a high GPA and lots of Community Service hours "but I want to win."

I share his feelings on this, but I must point out again that you need not sacrifice good GPA numbers and Community Service hours for wins. And vice-versa.

[90siouxfan]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I share his feelings on this, but I must point out again that you need not sacrifice good GPA numbers and Community Service hours for wins. And vice-versa.

Is that your opinion or do you have factual comparisons?  Is the high GPA compared to... evert student at UND? Every student everywhere? Or to football programs we cherry picked to support the narrative...  modern society has fed my cynical nature well lately. 

[fightingsioux4life]

41 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

Is that your opinion or do you have factual comparisons?  Is the high GPA compared to... evert student at UND? Every student everywhere? Or to football programs we cherry picked to support the narrative...  modern society has fed my cynical nature well lately. 

A lot of the same habits that make someone a successful athlete also carry over to academics (work ethic, discipline, attitude, commitment, fighting through adversity, time management). With a few regrettable exceptions, our student-athletes have generally done well in the classroom over the years (Karl Goehring is one example). And I don't see why that ever has to change.

[90siouxfan]

2 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

A lot of the same habits that make someone a successful athlete also carry over to academics (work ethic, discipline, attitude, commitment, fighting through adversity, time management). With a few regrettable exceptions, our student-athletes have generally done well in the classroom over the years (Karl Goehring is one example). And I don't see why that ever has to change.

A common perception, and probably correct but for the people from Missouri, hard info is king.

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, 90siouxfan said:

A common perception, and probably correct but for the people from Missouri, hard info is king.

Look at all the athletes we have named to academic all-conference teams, in multiple sports on a regular basis. That is "hard data", is it not?

[UND1983]

8 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Look at all the athletes we have named to academic all-conference teams, in multiple sports on a regular basis. That is "hard data", is it not?

That’s about the only accomplishment our athletic department has - academics

[90siouxfan]

16 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Look at all the athletes we have named to academic all-conference teams, in multiple sports on a regular basis. That is "hard data", is it not?

Show me.

[Siouxperman8]

Didn't dig too deep but this is from Fightinghawks.com and fall '23. 

Pretty good GPA across the board other than men's bb.

TEAMS                          FA23 GPA
Men's Basketball                2.504
Men's Cross Country         3.640
Men's Football                    3.334
Men's Golf                          3.546
Men's Hockey                    3.387
Men's Tennis                      3.431
Men's Track                        3.530
Women's Basketball           3.197
Women's Cross Country    3.485
Women's Golf                     3.690
Women's Soccer                3.424
Women's Softball               3.361
Women's Tennis                3.789
Women's Track                  3.514
Women's Volleyball           3.529
 

[UND1983]

I noticed D2 Northwest Missouri St fired their head coach after missing playoffs two years in a row.  
 

Standards.

[Siouxperman8]

from same article.

https://fightinghawks.com/news/2024/1/25/general-fighting-hawks-shine-in-classroom-during-fall-2023-semester.aspx

Overall, the student-athletes combined for a 3.391 departmental GPA, making it 31 straight semesters above the 3.0 mark as a department. 300 of them – a monster 81 percent – earned at least a 3.0 and an impressive 95 collecting a perfect 4.0 mark for the semester. Of those 95 perfect scores during the semester, a whopping 63 student-athletes maintained a cumulative GPA of 4.0 during their academic careers. In addition, 89 Fighting Hawks earned a selection to the Dean's List while 51 were named to the President's Honor Roll.

 

[90siouxfan]

9 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Didn't dig too deep but this is from Fightinghawks.com and fall '23. 

Pretty good GPA across the board other than men's bb.

TEAMS                          FA23 GPA
Men's Basketball                2.504
Men's Cross Country         3.640
Men's Football                    3.334
Men's Golf                          3.546
Men's Hockey                    3.387
Men's Tennis                      3.431
Men's Track                        3.530
Women's Basketball           3.197
Women's Cross Country    3.485
Women's Golf                     3.690
Women's Soccer                3.424
Women's Softball               3.361
Women's Tennis                3.789
Women's Track                  3.514
Women's Volleyball           3.529
 

Good work, how does that compare to the competing universities?

[zonadub]

3 hours ago, UND08 said:

Agree with everyone's take on this.

And honestly...does Saturday even matter?  Kinda feels like the damage has been done...

Let’s check the UND at ISUr thread and see if Saturday matters

 

oh… wait…

[HoopsFan03]

8 minutes ago, zonadub said:

Let’s check the UND at ISUr thread and see if Saturday matters

 

oh… wait…

Great point!

[Siouxperman8]

51 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

Good work, how does that compare to the competing universities?

Not sure but I expect it's higher than what we had in the 80's for the teams I was on.

[Cratter]

2 hours ago, UND1983 said:

I noticed D2 Northwest Missouri St fired their head coach after missing playoffs two years in a row.  
 

Standards.

Bubba has yet to miss the playoffs two years in a row since joining the MVFC.

But if he does, he will likely get fired too.

[90siouxfan]

1 hour ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Not sure but I expect it's higher than what we had in the 80's for the teams I was on.

Was basket weaving a major or just a series of classes at that time?

[90siouxfan]

7 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Bubba has yet to miss the playoffs two years in a row since joining the MVFC.

But if he does, he will likely get fired too.

Making the FCS playoffs in this watered down version isn't much more than a participation ribbon.   Getting a seed is currently a better indication that you will compete.

[UND1983]

15 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Bubba has yet to miss the playoffs two years in a row since joining the MVFC.

But if he does, he will likely get fired too.

Hopefully he can quickly replicate the 65-22 record and three conference titles that NWMS guy had

[Cratter]

31 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

Making the FCS playoffs in this watered down version isn't much more than a participation ribbon.   Getting a seed is currently a better indication that you will compete.

Nice....so a lot like d2 and Northwest Missouri State:

Not getting a participation ribbon in a water down division and waiting 2 year of missed playoffs before firing the coach.

[Cratter]

50 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Hopefully he can quickly replicate the 65-22 record and three conference titles that NWMS guy had

Yeah. Bubba has two conference titles so hopefully the new guy can do better than three conference titles.

Hopefully the guy takes the program on an upward projectary from when he took over.

Unlike the NWMS guy. Who took one at the top and only took it downward.

[UND1983]

11 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Yeah. Bubba has two so hopefully the new guy can do better than three conference titles.

Hopefully the guy takes the program on an upward projectary from when he took over.

Unlike the NWMS guy. Who took one at the top and only took it downward.

You're trying so hard, I get it.  "Bubba has two"  

[Cratter]

6 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

You're trying so hard, I get it.

Yeah trying to say its not high standards to fire a coach after missing two straight years of playoffs.

Especially when he took over a program that has the most titles in D2. And they had won multiple right before he took over.

I consider that low standards. Maybe that's just me.

 

[UND1983]

1 minute ago, Cratter said:

Yeah trying to say it not high standards to fire a coach after missing two straight years of playoffs.

Especially when he took over a team that has the most titles in D2. And they had won multiple right before taking over.

I consider that low standards. Maybe that's just me.

 

You = winner.  High Standards.  

[UND1983]

But seriously, the guy was 65-22 at D2 level and got canned.  Because the athletic department expects championships.  Are we so far gone that we don't even expect championships anymore?