Kennedy vs. Engelstad Foundation: GF herald feature

[UNDBIZ]

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According to her, the transitory nature of presidents not local to the area—each only building a line on a resume, she said

Where did Kupchella and Kelley use their boosted resumes to go after UND?

[Oxbow6]

Regardless of "he said, she said" the fact that no one wants to understand or comprehend, regardless of who's side you are on, is the Engelstad Foundation's stack of chips is way bigger than Kennedy's in this poker match.

[UNDBIZ]

Just now, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

Here's an analogy for the soft crowd:

Let's say you've been renting a home. After 18 years, you hit some hard times. You ask the landlord for some help. Maybe rent forgiveness, maybe reduced rent, maybe renegotiate the lease entirely. After all, you've been a good tenant.

The landlord says no. How do you respond? Frustration? Anger? Fight back? Move out? Bite the bullet and stay?

Sprinkle in some new facts:

1. The home cost > $100MM, was custom built for you, and becomes yours in 12 years.

2. The landlord is a non-profit corporation set up almost entirely for your benefit.

3. Your proposals are objectively reasonable, and do not cause the landlord any grievous economic harm.

Does your response change?

And you've been making additional payments to the landlord beyond the rent agreed upon in the lease for the past 18 years because the landlord doesn't know how to budget.

[UNDBIZ]

This is what happens when a University goes without leadership for 15+ years.  Little fiefdoms are created and the new guy is put in a tough spot trying to unify the campus.  Kennedy will lose this fight, and in the long run, UND will lose.

[streetsahead]

It's funny how Kennedy spends most of the article refuting (or clarifying) her claims but then finds himself saying he "wouldn't suggest she's being dishonest."  And this after McGarry is reminded that she's on the record after contradicting Kennedy's statements.  Lots of he said she said but nobody wants to call the other party out for lying.

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

10 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

It was your analogy that was used.................

It may have been ugly. But the truth is often ugly, and painful. The real question, was it effective?  

[UNDBIZ]

2 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

It may have been ugly. But the truth is often ugly, and painful. The real question, was it effective?  

I got it, but it probably lacked effectiveness because it gave everyone who disagreed an excuse to feign outrage rather than think about the message.

[SoonersNSioux]

Parents fighting, neither getting their way so one goes to the kids to sway opinion.    Not sure who I trust less in this case...  either way the kids lose. Question is how much.

[fightingsioux4life]

12 hours ago, Frozen4sioux said:

I would suggest Kennedy enter the front doors, bend the knee and kiss the bronzed foot of ol Ralph's statue, and beg this doesn't cost him his next few jobs too.

REA was built to benefit and serve UND. UND does not exist to benefit and serve REA. I don't think the princess understands that.

And since the princess went out of her way to point out that Ralph graduated from UND, but that no one else in the family did, I think it is more than fair to question her loyalty and commitment to this fine institution that we all care about.

Kennedy is looking out for UND. Good for him.

And the princess should think long and hard about why her dad built this arena. It wasn't to make UND all about him. #getoveryourself

[fightingsioux4life]

17 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Regardless of "he said, she said" the fact that no one wants to understand or comprehend, regardless of who's side you are on, is the Engelstad Foundation's stack of chips is way bigger than Kennedy's in this poker match.

So that means they run the university? That means they can continue taking more and more of the financial pie? If the princess wants Kennedy's job, she should get it for about a month and she'll learn how hard it is.

We can't demand a strong UND President that "gets it" and then demand he genuflect to every rich donor that runs to the Heraldo whining and crying because he had the unmitigated gall to question that donor about something. #makeupyourmind

[Oxbow6]

Just now, fightingsioux4life said:

So that means they run the university? That means they can continue taking more and more of the financial pie? If the princess wants Kennedy's job, she should get it for about a month and she'll learn how hard it is.

We can't demand a strong UND President that "gets it" and then demand he genuflect to every rich donor that runs to the Heraldo whining and crying because he had the unmitigated gall to question that donor about something. #makeupyourmind

You think Oklahoma St. has had a similar conversation with T. Boone Pickens?

Granted it's one side of the story but Kennedy comes across as a bully..........and career politician.

I'll look forward to his response.

[UND1981]

15 minutes ago, streetsahead said:

It's funny how Kennedy spends most of the article refuting (or clarifying) her claims but then finds himself saying he "wouldn't suggest she's being dishonest."  And this after McGarry is reminded that she's on the record after contradicting Kennedy's statements.  Lots of he said she said but nobody wants to call the other party out for lying.

In my view, Kennedy looks like the buffoon saying at least 4 times "he doesn't recall saying that".  If he didn't make those statements, then say so.

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, Oxbow6 said:

You think Oklahoma St. has had a similar conversation with T. Boone Pickens?

Granted it's one side of the story but Kennedy comes across as a bully..........and career politician.

I'll look forward to his response.

I imagine T Boone Pickens doesn't take a huge cut of the revenues from his gifts. He gives because he wants Oklahoma State to be successful. That attitude seems to be missing in Vegas right now.

[forksandspoons]

Is there anyone Kennedy hasn't #%@%^$ off yet? 

[fightingsioux4life]

3 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

You think Oklahoma St. has had a similar conversation with T. Boone Pickens?

Granted it's one side of the story but Kennedy comes across as a bully..........and career politician.

I'll look forward to his response.

This is a key point. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall in those meetings. Who knows what context those comments were made in? Someone is not telling the whole truth here.

[lawkota]

5 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I don't think the princess understands that.

And since the princess went out of her way to...........

And the princess should think long and hard.......................

 

1 minute ago, fightingsioux4life said:

 If the princess wants Kennedy's job........................

Ha!  You've obviously never met her.

You can criticize her approach or her motivations without the thinly veiled misogyny.

[UND1983]

The one who goes public usually does so to get out in front of something (perhaps something deeper).  I would guess that Ralph's kids have been raised to be tough and savvy yet she is running to the paper to cry about something she doesn't like at UND. 

Preemptive deflection, perhaps?

[fightingsioux4life]

4 minutes ago, lawkota said:

Ha!  You've obviously never met her.

You can criticize her approach or her motivations without the thinly veiled misogyny.

Misogyny? I am talking about her approach and attitude towards UND. Which I don't like. And which I don't think makes her look good.

[UNDBIZ]

3 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Misogyny? I am talking about her approach and attitude towards UND. Which I don't like. And which I don't think makes her look good.

The Herald will work to frame it better in the future.  

[Oxbow6]

8 hours ago, Blackheart said:

I'll take Engelstad Foundation and the 3 points.

The one with the biggest hammer almost always wins.........................................................

[AJS]

Lots of good discussion, my only hope is that most of the general public will look into some of the details of this and not just base their opinion off headlines (which we know how the Herald is trying to frame it).

If I was trying to summarize, would this be fair:

The way the current contract is written, on a yearly basis, the revenue split favors the REA Foundation over UND. Kennedy wants to renegotiate better terms with REA Foundation, so that the split is more even. Kennedy is doing what he feels is best for UND, McGarry is doing what's best for the REA Foundation.

At the end of the day, I like that Kennedy tried to renegotiate better terms, but should have dropped it once it appeared it was going nowhere. It's obvious the intentions McGarry had by going to the Herald for a sit down. I personally don't think she looks good at all, but will win in the court of public opinion. I would even say that McGarry looks much worse than Kennedy, but ultimately she knows that won't matter (& I'll be in the minority that thinks that).

Here's where I'll be attacked. What's so disappointing to me, is I think Kennedy is a true leader that is (& will be great for UND). The problem is GF & UND seem to be even less willing to embrace change than most. They would rather have a complete zero in charge that doesn't change the status quo. I think the town and school still have a "D2" mentality. Anybody who tries to lead will be railroaded.

 

Edit: The last paragraph has to do with the other events Kennedy has been called out for since he started, not so much to this discussion.

 

 

 

[Siouxperfan7]

2030 can't come soon enough!!!

[streetsahead]

2 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

2030 can't come soon enough!!!

However you feel about the Engelstad Foundation and REA, I for one am not optimistic about the University's willingness and ability to spend the money to keep the arena updated on a regular basis.

[forksandspoons]

1 minute ago, streetsahead said:

However you feel about the Engelstad Foundation and REA, I for one am not optimistic about the University's willingness and ability to spend the money to keep the arena updated on a regular basis.

this 

[petey23]

1 minute ago, streetsahead said:

However you feel about the Engelstad Foundation and REA, I for one am not optimistic about the University's willingness and ability to spend the money to keep the arena updated on a regular basis.

2025---renegotiate the terms of the contract. Have the new terms  supersede the last 5 years of agreement while extending the contract to 2040. Win/Win