Kennedy vs. Engelstad Foundation: GF herald feature

[homer]

5 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

How many football teams ever have a large logo on the jerseys ?

A small logo under the neckline is common, shoulder logos are common.

Football has used the indian head logo sparingly in the 80s "similar" to the bhawks  logo used by hockey.

Hockey is far and away the only sport to brand with a logo so prominently on a uniform.... hence why the greater connection with fan bases imho.

 

The willingness of the leadership of those programs to move on publicly may have something to do with it as well. 

[AJS]

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/4446387-emails-show-logo-betty-part-kennedy-engelstad-feud

 

Email correspondence between the assistants for Kennedy and McGarry runs contradictory to a statement McGarry made to the Herald about meeting availability.

 

“(Kennedy) refused to have a meeting with me,” she said to the Herald on May 9. “I said let’s meet anytime in April or May, I’m open -- he said, ‘I’m not -- not available.’”

Emails show a Kennedy assistant offering meeting dates April 12-13, 19-24 and May 1.

 

I always find it amusing when someone flat out lies about something that can easily be proven otherwise. Unfortunately for her, the only Herald reporter (*one of the only) that actually tries to report on facts and not try to spin their story to fit their agenda got this one.

[UND1983]

24 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Once again there seems to be this thought process by many here that being a supporter and fan of UND, especially in regards to athletics, has to include the unconditional acceptance of the new nickname and logo. Some also try to tie the increase in "record" dollars given to the university to the new nickname and logo. Neither of these things have to be or are mutually inclusive.  With all that said put the logo where ever it is best suited.

I don't believe anybody "tied" record donations to the name.  They were "un-tieing" the erroneous statements that have been made about how people are "not donating anymore due to the removal of the Sioux nickname/logo and insertion of the Hawk name/logo".  

[fightingsioux4life]

13 hours ago, AJS said:

That surprises me (or I guess really doesn't), but shows that McGarry is the one that calls all the shots.

The problem for Kennedy is he doesn't have any chips and McGarry has them all. It doesn't matter how unreasonable she's being, he has to figure out a way to smooth it over. 

If this is the case, we may as well name Jody Hodgson the A.D. and MISS McGarry the President and move on from there (sarcasm). Perhaps we could build a throne room, complete with a throne for her to sit on as she barks out orders to people (more sarcasm)?

A wealthy heiress living out of state who has publicly stated she does not care all that much about UND cannot be allowed to run this institution from a distance. It is highly unlikely MISS McGarry will ever give large sums of money to UND in the future, so why cater hand and foot to her every whim? We should work harder to facilitate mutually beneficial and mutually respectful relationships with alums who are successful in their professional lives and want to give back to the school that helped them get there. That will make this a better place, not throwing roses at the feet of someone who obviously doesn't care if UND succeeds or not.

A gift with strings attached is not a gift.......it is extortion.

[Oxbow6]

8 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

I don't believe anybody "tied" record donations to the name.  They were "un-tieing" the erroneous statements that have been made about how people are "not donating anymore due to the removal of the Sioux nickname/logo and insertion of the Hawk name/logo".  

Pretty sure that's not how the conversation started on this topic.........nonetheless both instances in your post are pure fiction and unsubstantiated.

[UND1983]

1 minute ago, Oxbow6 said:

Pretty sure that's not how the conversation started on this topic.........nonetheless both instances in your post are pure fiction and unsubstantiated.

Please explain.  I started it, correct?  What I wrote above is exactly what I meant.  

[petey23]

I am not saying that REA shouldn't work with UND on what logos go where............but this might be a case of saving UND from themselves. If someone with photo shop skills wants to mock up a version with the Logo in the middle please go ahead.

One possible addition would be having the "Fighting Hawks" and Logo on the sidelines and then renaming the end with the student section as either "The Cast" or preferably "The Kettle" but maybe instead of that, signage could be added behind the student section. 

This is a great look and  if you told me we were refinishing the floor, this is what I imagine it should look like.

This is a nice clean classic look. The name is prominent and truth be told if UND wants to sell merchandise and promote the brand it has to be more "Fighting Hawks", "Hawks", "UND", and "North Dakota" and due to our unfortunate decision making, far less logo. REA might be doing us a favor as far as optics go. Wouldn't be the first time a private enterprise knew better than a government entity.

[UND1983]

4 minutes ago, petey23 said:

I am not saying that REA shouldn't work with UND on what logos go where............but this might be a case of saving UND from themselves. If someone with photo shop skills wants to mock up a version with the Logo in the middle please go ahead.

One possible addition would be having the "Fighting Hawks" and Logo on the sidelines and then renaming the end with the student section as either "The Cast" or preferably "The Kettle" but maybe instead of that, signage could be added behind the student section. 

This is a great look and what if you told me we were refinishing the floor, this is what I imagine it should look like.

This is a nice clean classic look. The name is prominent and truth be told if UND wants to sell merchandise and promote the brand it has to be more "Fighting Hawks", "Hawks", "UND", and "North Dakota" and due to our unfortunate decision making, far less logo. REA might be doing us a favor as far as optics go. Wouldn't be the first time a private enterprise knew better than a government entity.

I kind of like the ends of the court the way they are mocked up.  I just do not like that big gaudy 'NORTH DAKOTA" at midcourt.  Seems archaic and doesn't fit in.  

[The Sicatoka]

14 hours ago, UND-1 said:

McGarry caught in a little fib via the Herald:

Quote

 

"(Kennedy) refused to have a meeting with me," she said to the Herald on May 9. "I said let's meet anytime in April or May, I'm open—he said, 'I'm not—not available.'"

Emails show a Kennedy assistant offering meeting dates April 12-13, 19-24 and May 1.

McGarry's representative responded that McGarry would be out of town during the dates suggested.

 

 

Refused? The man offered 9 different meeting dates in the window proffered. And the dates are spread out no less. 

Combine this with her statement to the GF Herald of "it's not about the logo" versus what her emails reveal (it's about the logo) and I find Ms. McGarry's credibility to be somewhat deficient at this juncture. 

[ChrisUND1]

Just now, The Sicatoka said:

Refused? The man offered 9 different meeting dates in the window proffered. And the dates are spread out no less. 

Combine this with her statement to the GF Herald of "it's not about the logo" versus what her emails reveal (it's about the logo) and I find Ms. McGarry's credibility to be somewhat deficient at this juncture. 

Don't forget about her situation with UNLV.  https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/education/donor-to-pull-14m-donation-after-unlv-president-says-he-will-leave/

[Frozen4sioux]

4 minutes ago, petey23 said:

I am not saying that REA shouldn't work with UND on what logos go where............but this might be a case of saving UND from themselves. If someone with photo shop skills wants to mock up a version with the Logo in the middle please go ahead.

One possible addition would be having the "Fighting Hawks" and Logo on the sidelines and then renaming the end with the student section as either "The Cast" or preferably "The Kettle" but maybe instead of that, signage could be added behind the student section. 

This is a great look and what if you told me we were refinishing the floor, this is what I imagine it should look like.

This is a nice clean classic look. The name is prominent and truth be told if UND wants to sell merchandise and promote the brand it has to be more "Fighting Hawks", "Hawks", "UND", and "North Dakota" and due to our unfortunate decision making, far less logo. REA might be doing us a favor as far as optics go. Wouldn't be the first time a private enterprise knew better than a government entity.

No jokes just honest commentary,

By putting the Logo center and NORTH DAKOTA on the ends, I'm not sure that is a aesthetically pleasing, also it does not leave much room for FIGHTING HAWKS anywhere.

This successfully uses all the branding and wordmarks in a spatially acceptable manner.

I can mock it up in photoshop tonight but in reality, This is a visually appealing layout.  

Mountains out of molehills? Certainly not something to lose one of the largest donors to the school over.

[homer]

3 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

No jokes just honest commentary,

By putting the Logo center and NORTH DAKOTA on the ends, I'm not sure that is a aesthetically pleasing, also it does not leave much room for FIGHTING HAWKS anywhere.

This successfully uses all the branding and wordmarks in a spatially acceptable manner.

I can mock it up in photoshop tonight but in reality, This is a visually appealing layout.  

Mountains out of molehills? Certainly not something to lose one of the largest donors to the school over.

Maybe the new administration doesn’t want the “it’s good enough” mentality in the athletic dept. anymore.  

[The Sicatoka]

14 hours ago, darell1976 said:

This was their mascot through 2017. He might get fased out due to a no mask policy on campus.

That guy on the left should wear a mask.  

[jdub27]

I'd be curious to see the mock-up UND prepared. Surprised it isn't out there somewhere as it was attached to the emails that were sent. Hey @RobPort, anyway to see some of those attachments?

I agree that the mock-up shown isn't bad at all, however that literally isn't the point at all. The President, AD and every coach who uses the building wanted to logo at center court. I'm assuming they saw the mock-up and supported it.

[The Sicatoka]

Personally, to get it all associated, I believe center court should look something like this.
And admittedly, this wouldn't work for hockey (different surfaces). 

It puts it all in one visual space so it all gets associated mentally. 
And yes, I took some liberties with the fonts and such.

[UND1983]

I am not a graphic designer but having 'North Dakota' at mid-court is too much, too distracting.  Wordy, too many lines.  

Should be a logo, IMO.  The interlocking ND always looked good there.  Most teams do not put significant TEXT at mid-court.

[Oxbow6]

5 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

I am not a graphic designer but having 'North Dakota' at mid-court is too much, too distracting.  Wordy, too many lines.  

Should be a logo, IMO.  The interlocking ND always looked good there.  Most teams do not put significant TEXT at mid-court.

Center court/center ice options in this order:

1) Interlocking ND

2) North Dakota (like Petey displayed)

3) Fighting Hawks

4) Logo

[petey23]

6 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

I am not a graphic designer but having 'North Dakota' at mid-court is too much, too distracting.  Wordy, too many lines.  

Should be a logo, IMO.  The interlocking ND always looked good there.

I am going with what we have. I agree the interlocking UND logo would be preferable. 

The North Dakota at mid-court might be a little large, but that brings us back around to the fact we have a terrible logo which would look even worse blown up to that size.

[Cratter]

40 minutes ago, petey23 said:

This is a great look and  if you told me we were refinishing the floor, this is what I imagine it should look like.

Wouldn't be the first time a private enterprise knew better than a government entity.

Good looking court right there. The REA got it right.

[geaux_sioux]

2 hours ago, Davlun said:

Using fuhrer and bunker in your post. Where is the history there. 

With Ralph and the parties and the memorabilia.

[UND1983]

Telling you guys, basketball teams do not put text at mid-court.  There is a reason why.  

[Oxbow6]

45 minutes ago, petey23 said:

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Telling you guys, basketball teams do not put text at mid-court.  There is a reason why.  

With what options UND has to work with as far as the logo and nickname this set up looks great IMO. Interlocking ND at center court would be the only possible upgrade.

[The Sicatoka]

Just now, Oxbow6 said:

Interlocking ND at center court would be the only possible upgrade.

That's retired (or moved to the whatever-they-call-it collection they dodder out every now and then). 

[Oxbow6]

3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

That's retired (or moved to the whatever-they-call-it collection they dodder out every now and then). 

I totally get the "retirement" of the Fighting Sioux name and logo. The "retirement" of the interlocking ND was just plain stupid IMO.

[UND1983]

6 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

 

With what options UND has to work with as far as the logo and nickname this set up looks great IMO. Interlocking ND at center court would be the only possible upgrade.

I agree, not going to lose sleep over it.  But, in this case it's only being used because REA won't incorporate the new logo.  If the new logo was "acceptable" by KM standards then it would be there, IMO.