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8 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Since Sandelin got a building upgrade to help with recruitment he's 3 title game appearance and 2 title wins in last 8 years.  You're assuming that Hakstol/Berry would have achieved the same results if half of their career was spent recruiting into a lesser building than the old Ralph (the old Decc).  Try again.

And missed the tournament twice. 

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1 hour ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:

Better get your season tix for next year, there's plenty available

Another area UND fans shouldn't get too cocky in.  Anyone that attended a game at the Ralph after the Xmas break would have noticed a significant difference between tickets sold and butts in seats.  Hopefully an improved product turns that around next season.

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3 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

And missed the tournament twice. 

Seriously?  3 appearances and 2 wins in 8 seasons.  You must be a St Cloud State fan the way you focus just on appearances.

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3 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Seriously?  3 appearances and 2 wins in 8 seasons.  You must be a St Cloud State fan the way you focus just on appearances.

That seems to be why everyone is chasing Berry out of town so it seems relevant. I think they are both good coaches but I'm not going to ignore the weaknesses in Sandy's resume they would have had people caging for his head if he did the same thing at UND, just pointing out the hypocrisy in it. 

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6 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

That seems to be why everyone is chasing Berry out of town so it seems relevant. I think they are both good coaches but I'm not going to ignore the weaknesses in Sandy's resume they would have had people caging for his head if he did the same thing at UND, just pointing out the hypocrisy in it. 

That's your spin to fit your narrative. The vast majority in no way are chasing Berry out of town but do the last 2 seasons under Berry on his resume fall under weaknesses? 

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Berry is going nowhere for at least two more years, and it would take two years missing the NCAAs and with declining attendance at that. 

But, say, the unspeakable (namely that) were to happen, who's on the short list circa 2020. 

I'm going to say right now it's not Sandy, or Eades, or Herter, or even Steve Johnson. They'll all be knocking on 55 or better. 

Who is the up and coming coach in the family? 

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2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Berry is going nowhere for at least two more years, and it would take two years missing the NCAAs and with declining attendance at that. 

But, say, the unspeakable (namely that) were to happen, who's on the short list circa 2020. 

I'm going to say right now it's not Sandy, or Eades, or Steve Johnson. They'll all be knocking on 60 or better. 

Who is the up and coming coach in the family? 

Aaron Schneekloth

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56 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

That's your spin to fit your narrative. The vast majority in no way are chasing Berry out of town but do the last 2 seasons under Berry on his resume fall under weaknesses? 

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I don't have a narrative, I'm making observations on people cherry picking results and ignoring other things that don't tell the whole story. Sandy won a title the first year the Amsoil opened. Then he lost in the second round of the tournament and followed that up by missing the tournament years in a row. That was preceded by making the tournament two years out of ten. 

Yes, missing the tournament is a weakness. However they finished 14th in the pairwise which gets them in every year since 2008.

Losing multiple players earlier than expected, leaving unexpected holes or accelerating players also caused issues. Look at the number of players that have left UND early compared to UMD and then couple that with those that left a year or two before they anyone thought they would. 

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Ponder this: 

Eight guys from the win over QU are in the NHL right now. 

Schmaltz, Boeser, Caggiula, Gersich
Stetcher, Poolman, LaDue, Wolanin

Imagine this year's team with Schmaltz and Boeser still playing ... with Jost, and Poolman. 

 

All that said, you have to keep bringing in talent to replace what goes. 

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6 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Ponder this: 

Eight guys from the win over QU are in the NHL right now. 

Schmaltz, Boeser, Caggiula, Gersich
Stetcher, Poolman, LaDue, Wolanin

Imagine this year's team with Schmaltz and Boeser still playing ... with Jost, and Poolman. 

 

All that said, you have to keep bringing in talent to replace what goes. 

We'll have at least a great defense.

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3 hours ago, jdub27 said:

And missed the tournament twice. 

In his new building. UND has missed the NCAA tourneyonly twice in a 16 year period. That’s a record that’s not matched by many teams ar all. 

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2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Berry is going nowhere for at least two more years, and it would take two years missing the NCAAs and with declining attendance at that. 

But, say, the unspeakable (namely that) were to happen, who's on the short list circa 2020. 

I'm going to say right now it's not Sandy, or Eades, or Herter, or even Steve Johnson. They'll all be knocking on 55 or better. 

Who is the up and coming coach in the family? 

Isn't Marto a player coach in the ECHL. Not saying he's division 1 coaching material, but possibly someone to watch. I know I've heard about a former player, that hasn't been gone long, being a great potential future coach, but I can't exactly remember who it is. 

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3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Ponder this: 

Eight guys from the win over QU are in the NHL right now. 

Schmaltz, Boeser, Caggiula, Gersich
Stetcher, Poolman, LaDue, Wolanin

Imagine this year's team with Schmaltz and Boeser still playing ... with Jost, and Poolman. 

 

All that said, you have to keep bringing in talent to replace what goes. 

It’s all about your last sentence.

NCAA hockey is basically one and done like basketball so in this business you can’t afford an off-year in recruiting. 17 year olds have a short memory reference. Two bad years of results and in their minds you are average. 

The top of the heap college coaches literally hire their assistants based on:

1. Can they recruit?

2. Can they coach?

”Recruiting is like shaving, if you miss a day you look like a bum”—Jim Tressel 

 

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2 hours ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:

So our bad games where we have 10,000 in the seats vs theirs with 3,000? By our standards attendance was light this year and we still outpaced the rest of the country. We can be plenty cocky if we continue to be the best attended games home or away.

But seriously, rip the band aid off and jump on the Bulldog bandwagon. You clearly want to.

One down year resulted in a noticeable attendance drop (actual....not announced attendance).  Point is don't get cocky and assume it won't drop further if the same product is put on the ice again.  People don't pay $50+ a ticket and buy a bunch of $8 beers to watch a slightly above .500 team play a bunch of low scoring games and miss the playoffs.  One good recruiting class can change everything but UND has been getting spanked by UMD and Denver lately in that department. 

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14 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Berry is here and a keeper. Lots of variables to a future decision. Many assets in this hockey program to slip too far. This next team could surprise many.

Agreed.  They have the horses, with a few more coming in.  Just need them to show up more often.

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13 hours ago, TheFlop said:

One down year resulted in a noticeable attendance drop (actual....not announced attendance).  Point is don't get cocky and assume it won't drop further if the same product is put on the ice again.  People don't pay $50+ a ticket and buy a bunch of $8 beers to watch a slightly above .500 team play a bunch of low scoring games and miss the playoffs.  One good recruiting class can change everything but UND has been getting spanked by UMD and Denver lately in that department. 

By the same token, can we expect to see more than 2,400 fans in the seats per home game at Amsoil next season to watch the defending national champions play?  Or are they just great fans who watch on TV and listen to the radio as @BarnWinterSportsEngelstadstated earlier?

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A blend of 'studs' and 'grinders'.....Hockey recruiting has evolved into those categories....and Sandelin has seemingly perfected the blend....'Studs' in both college hockey and BB...come in for 1 or 2 years...don't care about any tradition...but just development and exposure for themselves...and move on to the next level.......it's the merging of these guys with 'grinders' like the kid from Minto and from Warroad, (both @ UMD) who are just happy for the opportunity to play and will put out effort every shift....

The successful coach/staff has got to reach that 'blend' in recruiting....

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8 hours ago, TheFlop said:

One down year resulted in a noticeable attendance drop (actual....not announced attendance).  Point is don't get cocky and assume it won't drop further if the same product is put on the ice again.  People don't pay $50+ a ticket and buy a bunch of $8 beers to watch a slightly above .500 team play a bunch of low scoring games and miss the playoffs.  One good recruiting class can change everything but UND has been getting spanked by UMD and Denver lately in that department. 

Huh... but they just did?

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1 hour ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:

Huh... but they just did?

Image result for und hockey attendance

 

How is that possible?? We were just told UND is getting spanked by UMD and Denver in the attendance department. I guess if you combine their attendance then they outpace UND 11,475 to 11,408, maybe that's what we're missing.

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2 hours ago, John W. said:

A blend of 'studs' and 'grinders'.....Hockey recruiting has evolved into those categories....and Sandelin has seemingly perfected the blend....'Studs' in both college hockey and BB...come in for 1 or 2 years...don't care about any tradition...but just development and exposure for themselves...and move on to the next level.......it's the merging of these guys with 'grinders' like the kid from Minto and from Warroad, (both @ UMD) who are just happy for the opportunity to play and will put out effort every shift....

The successful coach/staff has got to reach that 'blend' in recruiting....

Just anyone else read this guy in a really slow voice, for some reason?

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