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[sioux24/7]

5 hours ago, dmksioux said:

It appears a vote on restricting Graduate Transfers will be taking place in a few weeks.  Geno was quoted in the article as well as Mike Mooney from USD.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/04/sports/ncaa-final-four-graduate-transfers.html

 

Matt*

[ND-fan]

What is the percentage of players finishing their career at these large schools that go on to play professional basketball someplace after college. My guess it pretty high with NBA, G league, and overseas basketball in Europe and pacific regions my guess majority of these athletes do try playing professional basketball. I think for lot these players there career interests is basketball and what ever there degrees after that are there secondary plans after they are done with basketball. I don't know if these are wises choices but it is dreams of young men that they have wanted since they were very young.

NCAA wants to control these individuals and so do colleges all while using them to make money for themselves with only thing in return for these players is a college degree. This is nothing  compared to what administrators, coaches, and media make off these young individuals and here lies the problem of making this more equitable for college athlete in these high profile sports. Don't tell me there is not money in these sports for large universities when coaches are being paid in the millions per year and look what the media is paying to televise college sports. I just think there has to be ways for smaller schools and players interests to be set up where they are treated equitably but its going to cost to do this and in here lies the problem. But for example look at college basketball team has 15 scholarships and say the cost of scholarship is $50,000. per scholarship or $750,000.. dollars total cost but then look here we have coach alone making probably $3,000,000. dollars the players are only getting 25% of what coach is getting in education and still no cash money for themselves to spend. Then you put restrictions on the players once they decide where to play making them virtual under school and coach control once they sign to be with that school. Also if coach leaves they are still under control by that school unless they are given a release and then again they have to sit a year before they can play elsewhere but coach can leave and go on to next place to coach with next school picking up the cost to pay other school. The scholarship programs work much better at small schools and not division I schools because value being received by players is much more equitable to that what schools are receiving and coaches and administrators are receiving. Also the money coming into sports is much less so the system is much fairer at these levels. So how do solve these problems and still be equitable for all and I don't think anyone has plan that everyone could get around and support.

[The Sicatoka]

17 hours ago, ND-fan said:

So how do solve these problems and still be equitable for all and I don't think anyone has plan that everyone could get around and support.

Easy: Take all athletics out of educational institutions. 

Let schools be schools, and not minor leagues, again. 

[SWSiouxMN]

Yotes are next to get hit pretty hard with the transfer bug. 

 

[teamsioux]

On 4/18/2019 at 1:29 PM, SWSiouxMN said:

Yotes are next to get hit pretty hard with the transfer bug. 

 

Umude tweeted this morning that he decided to stay at USD.

[SWSiouxMN]

7 hours ago, teamsioux said:

Umude tweeted this morning that he decided to stay at USD.

Interesting:  Good for USD. 

[jdub27]

https://www.inforum.com/sports/2708960-Meidinger-ends-his-playing-career-for-NDSU-mens-basketball

Meidinger hangs them up before ever getting a chance to play minute for NDSU. Not a huge surprise given his injury history but tough break for a ND kid. 

[JohnboyND7]

5 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

https://www.inforum.com/sports/2708960-Meidinger-ends-his-playing-career-for-NDSU-mens-basketball

Meidinger hangs them up before ever getting a chance to play minute for NDSU. Not a huge surprise given his injury history but tough break for a ND kid. 

Bummer. Still waiting patiently for a ND kid to kill it for the Herd.

[jdub27]

7 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Bummer. Still waiting patiently for a ND kid to kill it for the Herd.

I mean, I didn't think he looked the part but that Werner kid seemed to turn out OK....

[JohnboyND7]

3 hours ago, jdub27 said:

I mean, I didn't think he looked the part but that Werner kid seemed to turn out OK....

Oh my goodness I forgot about my boy Dex. 

[SiouxFan100]

Bisons men beating Kansas State at the half

ugh

[UND1983]

1 hour ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Bisons men beating Kansas State at the half

ugh

Kansas State sucks this year.  And NDSU got rolled in 2nd half. They better hope they hit 34 three's in the tournament again 

[jdub27]

9 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Kansas State sucks this year.  And NDSU got rolled in 2nd half. They better hope they hit 34 three's in the tournament again 

Couldn't even cover the 11 or 12 point spread. 

[SiouxHawkGuy]

Dang USD has a legit court. When we gonna upgrade from DII Betty?

[SWSiouxMN]

So with a few weeks left in the conference season, it might be time to discuss how the league could potentially shape out for Sioux Falls. 

The league has divided itself into three tiers, which will be discussed below.  Three teams in the top (NDSU, SDSU, and USD) Four in the middle (ORU, Omaha, UND, Fort Wayne) and two on the bottom (WIU and DU).   It will be easier to discuss this starting from the bottom and then the top, and then finishing with the convoluted middle.

Main tiebreakers:

1) Head to Head 

2) Record against common opponents (start with the top of the standings and work your way down)

Bottom Tier(AKA: THE SIOUX FALLS OR BUST TIER) (WIU 2-9, DU 1-10) 

Schedules: 

WIU: @USD UND Omaha @ORU @DU  

DU: @SDSU @Omaha ORU @ Fort Wayne WIU

Western is in good shape to hold onto the 8th seed with 5 games left.  Why?  They already have a win over DU, so the worst they can end up with is a split (rematch in Denver on 2/29), and plus their win over USD is better than DUs win over Omaha (since USD is higher in the standings than Omaha if the 2nd tiebreaker was applied).   Could Western finisher higher than 8th?  Given their schedule, it would be tough given they have 2 games against the top tier and 2 against the middle.  Their best hope:  find a way to win 3 games and hope 1 of the middle tier teams loses out.  Their best hope for that is UND and given they have a game against them on Saturday, and it is a must win.  A loss to UND shuts the door for good on that idea.  Then, focus should shift to holding off DU and making that matchup at the end of the year a moot point. 

Denver is in a tough spot:  only one game back yes but they already lost to Western and their Omaha win more than likely is not going to be better than Western's USD win. So their only hope is to be AT WORST tied with Western going into the final game.  They have chances as their schedule is "easier" with only 1 top tier team and 3 middle tiers teams left to play: expect Omaha and Fort Wayne is on the road.  Their hope is that UND takes care of business on Saturday, they steal one game (targeting Omaha or Fort Wayne for this one) and go into the Western game tied.

Top Tier (AKA: THE PLAY 3 GAMES IN 4 DAYS VS 3 IN 3 TIER) (SDSU 9-2, NDSU 9-2, USD 8-3)

Schedules:

SDSU: DU, Fort Wayne @ UND  USD @ NDSU

NDSU: Fort Wayne, @ USD @ UND SDSU Omaha 

USD: WIU, @ORU, NDSU @ SDSU UND

The Surprise team in the league, SDSU, is in good shape for a top 3 finish.  The question is now, can they finish the job and win the league.  Their first two games are at home and are against a middle and bottom tier team, so they should be at 11-2, before the finish gets hot and heavy.  The road game against UND could be tricky but they should be able to take care of business, but their finish:  at home against the Yotes and on the road in Fargo.  The good news:  They beat the Bison already!  The bad news:  They have lost to the Yotes.  Better news:  The Yotes and Bison play on the 19th, so it is possible that the Yotes get knocked out the race or they will be 1 game clear of both teams going into those last two games.  Truth be told, provided it would they take care of business against DU, Dons and UND, would be the Bison beating the Yotes, so if they were to stumbled against the Yotes in Brookings, they would still be playing for the 1 seed in Fargo and a win would clinch it (since they would have beaten the Bison twice).  Schedule wise they have the advantage, but they need to take advantage of it. 

NDSU have lived up to expectations and are in the hunt for the conference crown, and yes, they still hold their destiny in their hands.  Win out, you are the one seed.  They still have to battle the 2 top tier teams, a rivalry game in Grand Forks, a home game against a tricky Omaha squad.  They should take care of business against the Dons. Unlike the Bunnies, their first big clash comes on the 19th in Vermillion.  A win would turn this into a two team race for the crown.  A loss would then put the Bison behind the Yotes (remember, they beat SDSU and NDSU didn't, so at that point, would lose that tiebreaker).  They have the veteran team to do it and a never say die leader in Vinnie.  We will know more about their chances for the crown after the 19th.

USD is a game back of the other two, but they also hold their destiny in their hands.  Win out, and you are the one seed (it won't matter who wins the Bison/Jacks game since the Yotes would win the tiebreaker due to head to head with SDSU and better record verses common opponents with the Bison (2-0 vs 1-1 SDSU).  They also wouldn't mind UND knocking down either SDSU or NDSU when they head to Grand Forks.  Their schedule has 2 top tiers, 2 middle tiers and 1 on the bottom.  They need to get revenge on WIU and that road trip to Tulsa will be tricky, but if they get past those two.  The 19th looms large. However, 1 more slip up would more than likely give them the 3 seed.  NDSU and SDSU could lose once and be okay.  USD doesn't have that luxury. 

The Middle Tier (AKA: THE BATTLE TO NOT PLAY THE TOP 3 TEAMS IN DAY 1) (Omaha 5-5, ORU 5-6, Fort Wayne 5-6, UND 5-6)

Schedules:

Omaha: @ORU DU @ Fort Wayne @ WIU UND @ NDSU

ORU: Omaha USD @ DU  WIU Fort Wayne

Fort Wayne: @NDSU @SDSU Omaha DU @ ORU

UND: @ WIU SDSU NDSU @Omaha @USD

Omaha has three things going for them right now. First, they have already beaten all of the middle tiers teams once and the rematches are coming with all of them.  2nd, they have their rematches with both of the bottom tier teams (although they did lose to DU) and they have 6 games left verses 5.  Needless to say, if they take advantage of their schedule and go 5-1, they will easily slide into the 4 seed.  It won't be easy since two of these three trips against these middle tier teams are on the road, and eventually UND has to beat them.  That Fargo trip is not going to be easy either, especially with the conference crown on the line.  The matchup this week with ORU is going to be the big to see who has a leg up between the two most likely teams in the 4/5 matchup.

Oral Roberts holds the 5th spot right now due to a better record against UND and Fort Wayne (ORU 2-1, UND 2-2, Fort Wayne 1-2).  They have probably the easiest path on the schedule.  4 home game! Match ups against Omaha and Fort Wayne at home, and their road trip is at DU.  Their toughest task will be the USD game, but that is at home.  They could win all 5 if they play to their talent.  They also have the win against NDSU that could be used in ties with Fort Wayne and UND right now.  However, Oral could stumble if they are not careful, given their performance against UND last week without Rebraca.

Unlike Oral Roberts and Omaha, Fort Wayne doesn't have an easy schedule.  A trip to Fargo and Brookings looms to start their adventure and two losses there could hurt their chances. They have the Omaha game at home, but a trip to Tulsa looms large at the end of the year.  A DU team at home could be the different, but depending on what happens, DU could be desperate for a win.  They hold a win over USD, which is why they get the tiebreaker over UND right now.  Their realistic path to the 4th seed might have to be winning 4 out of 5, USD winning the league and Omaha tripping up.

UND is in the toughest spot of the 4.  They don't have a win over the top 3 like the others do.  They cannot win any head to head tiebreakers (would have to beat Omaha to avoid losing that one), and only have one middle tier they haven't beaten in years and a lower tier team on the road.  Then the Dakota schools.   UND is the most likely of the 4 to lose out in my mind and could be in danger if Western gets hot to sliding down to the 8th seed.  So where is the positive in all of this?  Well given that the others have to play one another, they will beat each other up, and you have 2 great opportunities at home to get that victory over a top tier team, plus one on the road in Vermillion. The road trip to Omaha is a must win.  Needless to say, UND is going to need some help, they have a tough finish.  

My predicted seedings as of 2/9

1) SDSU

2) NDSU

3) USD

4) ORU

5) Omaha

6) UND

7) Fort Wayne

8) WIU

9) DU

[SWSiouxMN]

Update on Sioux Falls 

Big winner this week was Oral Roberts, they not only took down Oral Roberts but they also took down USD.  With wins against NDSU and USD on their docket and now they sit at 7-6 in conference play.  With 3 games at DU, then at home against WIU and Fort Wayne, they have a great chance of ending as the 4 seed.

The Big loser this week is USD.  The ORU loss is a big hit to their chances of winning the conference.  They are going to need a lot of help if they want to win the crown.  They can help themselves by beating NDSU and SDSU and the fact that they play each other helps.  However, they are going to need some serious help.  Perhaps UND can be that help....

WIU and DU will still battle for the last spot in Sioux Falls.  Will it come down to the last game?

Who between UND, Omaha and Fort Wayne will end up as the 5?

Predicted seedings as of 2/15

1) SDSU

2) NDSU

3) USD

4) ORU

5) Omaha

6) UND

7) Fort Wayne

8) WIU

9) DU

 

[SWSiouxMN]

After the weekend games:

Not much has changed in the bottom tier.  WIU still holds down the 8th seed and still holds all the cards.  DU is going to have to find a way to get tied before the final game.

Some separation has occurred in the top tier.  NDSU and SDSU took care of business but USD suffered a setback in Tulsa.  USD is going to need a lot of help if they are going to win the conference, however they need to protect themselves from ORU because....

The Golden Eagles are ready to charge.  3 winnable games left on the docket.  They are in the drivers seat for the 4 seed and if USD falters... they could be a 3.

Omaha and UND will be a tight battle for the 5 seed.   First one to 8 wins should be the 5.  UND needs to steal one at home against NDSU/SDSU and then beat Omaha in Omaha. Omaha does have Fort Wayne and WIU on the road.  2 winnable road wins and then hold serve at home verses UND. 

Fort Wayne suffered two losses and now sit 1.5 back of UND.  With games against Omaha at home and trips to DU and ORU their best chance is to either hold serve at home and beat DU, then hope UND only wins once to get to the 6th seed. Their hopes of a top 4 finish is slim to none. 

[SWSiouxMN]

Your Friday Road to Sioux Falls Update:

The race to the #1 seed is now down to two squads: NDSU and SDSU.  These two will be the 1 and 2 seeds in Sioux Falls and will play the Saturday games.  The questions now are:  who gets the 1 seed and will the title be shared or won outright?  The Game on Wednesday in Fargo will determine that answer, but both squads have some landmines to avoid to get there first.  NDSU has a road trip to Grand Forks to navigate, while SDSU has their instate rival at home in Brookings.  SDSU could make this a moot point, even with a loss on Saturday, if they win against the Bison, thus getting the head to head tiebreaker.  One other thing:  SDSU is done on Wednesday, NDSU still has a home game against Omaha on the 29th.  

A USD loss knocked them out of the top 2 seeds, but ORU losing still has them in great shape for the 3 seed.  One more win should be enough to wrap up the 3 seed, but they might want to win out to keep any doubt away.

The middle is still a massive mess after the DU upset of ORU.  Now Omaha is in pretty good shape to be the 4 seed.  If they can win out, they would get it.  The schedule still favors ORU but now they are going to need some help.  The ORU loss also helps UND out because if they can somehow get a few wins, they could climb up as well.  Fort Wayne still has hope, but is going to need to win out and get some help.

The Biggest winner of the mid-week: Denver.  I've been saying they need a win to make their WIU game at home matter.  Guess what?  They responded with an OT win over ORU.  Now they are tied in wins (WIU still has one more game to play) and if WIU doesn't beat Omaha at home or ORU on the road, they will get their showdown game.  If they really want to help their case and protect from that: Go to Fort Wayne and win.  

WIU is in trouble.  BIG trouble.  The DU win put them in their nightmare scenario.  A road trip to DU with the last spot on the line.  The only good thing is that they can still escape it with a win against either Omaha or ORU.  Then it would make the matchup moot.  If they go into this tied... which is the likely choice... I don't like their chances. 

Predicted Seedings 2/21

1) SDSU

2) NDSU

3) USD

4) ORU

5) Omaha

6) UND

7) Fort Wayne

8) DU

9) WIU

*I have made a switch:  I nearly pulled the trigger on the ORU/Omaha swap, but still favor the Golden Eagles at the 4.  I think the Pioneers are going to be the 8th seed after that ORU OT win.  They will get their matchup against WIU and I think they will beat them. 4-7 is still a massive crapshoot. 

[nd1sufan]

The 1/2 seed will most likely be determined solely on the SDSU/NDSU game in Fargo. Even if UND beats NDSU tonight, a win over the Jacks at least tieds them and with USD most likely the 3 seed, the Bison would have the tiebreak. Although other than assuring the NIT bid, I think the 2 seed may be more advantageous. Denver at the 8 seed has some talent and is dangerous and I would rather be on the same side of the bracket with the Yotes than ORU. ORU may have the most talent in the SL if they can put it together.

[SWSiouxMN]

1 hour ago, nd1sufan said:

The 1/2 seed will most likely be determined solely on the SDSU/NDSU game in Fargo. Even if UND beats NDSU tonight, a win over the Jacks at least tieds them and with USD most likely the 3 seed, the Bison would have the tiebreak. Although other than assuring the NIT bid, I think the 2 seed may be more advantageous. Denver at the 8 seed has some talent and is dangerous and I would rather be on the same side of the bracket with the Yotes than ORU. ORU may have the most talent in the SL if they can put it together.

I want DU to make it over Western, they will be fun to watch over the next two years. 

Don't understand ORU. All that talent in the post and they finally have enough at the guard spot to compliment it and can beat the top teams (albeit at home), then go out to DU and lose in OT.  Then lose at UND without Rebraca.   Either ORU is going to win it all or get dumped in the 1st round, it just seems the way it is trending.

 

[nd1sufan]

1 hour ago, SWSiouxMN said:

I want DU to make it over Western, they will be fun to watch over the next two years. 

Don't understand ORU. All that talent in the post and they finally have enough at the guard spot to compliment it and can beat the top teams (albeit at home), then go out to DU and lose in OT.  Then lose at UND without Rebraca.   Either ORU is going to win it all or get dumped in the 1st round, it just seems the way it is trending.

 

Agree. The SL is fairly balanced. Some years you could say you would be very surprised if one of one teams didn’t win it all. This year, any team that makes it has a legitimate chance to win it, 1 through 8. SDSU will probably be the favorite just because of the home crowd.

[SWSiouxMN]

So... the final week of the season is upon us and we have ourselves a mess on our hands for seeding.

We only have one team locked in for a seed and that is Fort Wayne, they will be the 7 seed in Sioux Falls.  Even if they win out they cannot jump either ORU or UND.

Despite the UND loss, NDSU can still win a share of the league title and the 1 seed by winning out (beating SDSU on Thursday and then Omaha on Saturday).  SDSU can win the league outright and the 1 seed by beating NDSU on Thursday, or NDSU losing against Omaha on Saturday.

WIU and DU are battling for the final spot.  If WIU beats ORU on Thursday and DU loses, then their matchup on Saturday is moot.  If they go into it tied record wise or DU leading by a game, then they will play for the final spot.  

That was the easy part:  now comes the mess in the 3-6 spots.

USD has lost 3 in a row and now find themselves tied in losses with Omaha.  Their once strong hold on the 3 seed is now very precarious.  If they lose to UND on Saturday and Omaha and ORU win out and NDSU wins the league, then they are the 5 seed.  If they win, they are the 3.  Possible Seed range: 3-5

Omaha is right on USD heels but need to have a better record (lost both games).  They must beat UND at home and then beat NDSU on the road and hope UND beats USD in Vermillion to move up.  However:  two losses, ORU and UND winning out would put them down in the 6 seed.  The UND/Omaha tilt will be HUGE on Wednesday.

UND got their wish on two fronts:  the middle has beaten each other up and some upsets have happened and they beat a top team.  A trip to Omaha looms large as a win would put them in a good spot for at least a 5 seed.  Beating USD as well would put them at 9-7 and depending on what else happens with Omaha and ORU, they could find themselves as high as the 3 seed.  A loss in Omaha would pretty much make them the 6 seed.

ORU has a favorable schedule with two at home against WIU and Fort Wayne. They too can get to the 3 seed but many things have to break correctly.

Predictions 2/23

1) NDSU

2) SDSU

3) USD

4) ORU

5) Omaha

6) UND

7) Fort Wayne

8) DU

*I pulled the trigger on NDSU due to the injury concern on Wilson.  If he doesn't go against NDSU, I don't seem them winning in Fargo.  UND/Omaha will be a huge tilt for the battle of the top 4 seed.  I still favor ORU to win twice and finish ahead of Omaha.  I favor DU to beat WIU in Denver to get the final spot. 

[nd1sufan]

25 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

 

 

USD has lost 3 in a row and now find themselves tied in losses with Omaha.  Their once strong hold on the 3 seed is now very precarious.  If they lose to UND on Saturday and Omaha and ORU win out and NDSU wins the league, then they are the 5 seed.  If they win, they are the 3.  Possible Seed range: 3-5

Good analysis except this one. If Omaha wins out, NDSU can't win the league, so I am not sure USD can be lower than a 4.

[SWSiouxMN]

Just now, nd1sufan said:

Good analysis except this one. If Omaha wins out, NDSU can't win the league, so I am not sure USD can be lower than a 4.

Brain cramp.  
 

Let’s try this:  ORU and UND win out and NDSU finishes as the 1 seed. I think that situation drops them to a 5 seed.  

It’s a mess to figure out, the middle of the conference is a cluster. 

[nd1sufan]

10 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

Brain cramp.  
 

Let’s try this:  ORU and UND win out and NDSU finishes as the 1 seed. I think that situation drops them to a 5 seed.  

It’s a mess to figure out, the middle of the conference is a cluster. 

You are going great just trying to figure it out. I know which two are 1&2, but not the order. After that it becomes very complicated.